Although I have been around T's for 30 years and have driven several, I have never had to change bands - I didn't drive long distances. Now, my 27 coupe needs new bands; there is no more adjustment on the low speed - the ears are almost touching.

I will remove the hogshead. I had purchased a set of scandanavia linings - you know, the kind Grandpa used. I will never drive long yearly distances, but I will take a few long trips - 300+ miles.

My drums are slightly grooved and very smooth - in my opinion. On a recent thread - scandanavia linings unraveled more than once for the same individual. By the way, I had never heard of wooden bands until just recently - thought I was hearing wrong. Oh well, live and learn.

Now for the question - should I worry about this type of lining?

Thanks,
Mike

Mike, My impression from recent posts is that some repro. Scandies currently being made and then impregnated with some tar like gooey cr*p are the ones to stay away from, those that appear to be the plain woven type work similiar to the originals though the weave is not as tight. Hopefully someone who has tried the impregnated style will write in and clarify the problems they have encountered with them...Michael

Michael,

Mine appear to be the kind with the gooey cr*p because they are fairly stiff and slightly sticky. I bought them recently from Snyders.

Can I use them? If not, why do they sell? Anyway, what has been the problem with these linings?

I have an event about 130 miles from here on June 20, 21,22 that I would like to attend. But I don't relish the thought of taking of the hogshead twice in about a month. I probably don't have time to send my bands to Jim Quinn, so can I install the wooden ones myself? Snyders has them listed. Guess I could use Kevlar, but wooden bands seem to be "all the rage" now especially with worn drums.

Thanks,
Mike

Mike, The few reports I have read is that the "impregnating" material gets soft when the engine oil gets hot and little balls of the material end up in the transmission screen. Whether or not this material eventually causes any engine damage I do not know, someone else will chime in and give you more information as mine is second hand. If you do not have the aftermarket screen that fits under the inspection cover on the transmission, by all means get one. It catches just about anything being slung around in the oil...Michael

Michael,

Thanks for the help!

I ordered a transmission screen couple of days ago. Also, I talked to Tom this morning at Snyders. He, of course, said that they had had good luck with Scandanavia Lining. Tom did mention that it is primarily a matter of choice since they all basically do the job. All seem to have pros and cons. I agree with Tom that the condition of the drums plays a major role. As I said, mine seem to be very smooth and only slightly grooved. I WILL check for cracks.

I will soak them well in detergent oil which I do use anyway. Also, I believe that using Slick 50 directly on the newly installed bands and turning the crank over making sure they are coated makes good sense. I believe that would help the bands "settle-in" on the initial fire up.

Then again, what do I know? I was a French major at Purdue, so I was doomed a long time ago

Thanks again! Always good to hear from you!

Mike

I hope so and wish you luck... I have heard pretty dismal things about the "gooey" Scandanavias... Beyond the balls of tar, I have heard that going through a set on a *weekend* tour was not unusual.

It breaks my heart that someone doesn't find an antique belting loom and set it up to manufacture the real Scandi's. Of course, it would be a "limited user" product, but still... I would love to get my hands on said loom, and do it for no other reason than to give people a safe alternative. Where were Scandi's originally made? If we knew, maybe someone near the unknown location there could scout a bit and find one of the original looms (or find out if they went for scrap - *that's* the crap-shoot.) If they were sitting somewhere gathering dust, **that** would be about the coolest old-car related find I could think of...

The scandia lining someone showed me recently doesn't look like the stuff used in my car 60 years ago. The lining I remember was much harder feeling than the current lining. I used to change them about once a year, but not liking the job very much, I babied the brakes and clutches, kept all of them very loose, and used my Rocky Mt. brakes for stopping. I never changed the lining on those. I can't believe that current scandia lining will hold up as well as mine did. At that time it was all there was.

I always changed them through the cover, I never removed the hog's head. I would remove the bands on one day, replace the lining and let them soak in a pan of oil overnight. The next day I installed them still dripping with oil.

HI,
I'm with you guys, this is not a job to do twice if you don't have to. Even with the new improved bands with the removable clips, it was a real bear getting them back in since the free end that I was feeding back into the tranny would travel toward the front of the casing where there was less resistance and I had to use a special pry bar with a hook on the end of it to fish them out and around the drums. I bought some scandis that were not gooked up. I don't seem to be having any problems with mine so far. About 100 miles on them now.

I don't want to do that again. I hope mine last.
James

I used to use a tool that looked as if it were made of big clock spring, about a foot and a half long. It had a wood handle at one end and a hole at the other end. This was shoved under the drum and when it came out on the pedal side, the band was attached to the hole and, keeping everything under tension, pulled the band around the drum.

Guys,
Since I started this thread, I should give you an update.

One of the clutch finger screws was really frozen, so a made a tool out of a large screwdriver by heating and bending. That freed it but not enough the turn it by a regular screwdriver. So, guess what? I dropped a hex screwdriver tip in you-know-where even with rags stuffed in the transmission - I'm not a good stuffer!

Anyway, off with the hogshead - wow - a miserable job! Glad I did. I checked the drums, and they are perfect - the brake drum has one small groove. Otherwise they're smooth as velvet.

The bands were really shot! They were woven with cork circles in them - what's up with this?

Found two magnet clamps missing; found one in the bottom of the tranny with a magnet. One more was loose. Never did find the screwdriver tip.

I will take out the engine; have the mag coil rebuilt; have the magnets recharged; reline the bands; inspect everything; freshen the paint;etc.

Actually dropping in the screwdriver tip may have saved a lot of damage. The car ran fine - high and low slipped a little. No matter how well the car runs when you buy it, you should always inspect it thoroughly. The fellow I bought the car from is honest; he just didn't know since he had only driven it 8 miles in 7 years.

Anyt thoughts?
Thanks,
Mike