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My favorite story is the show where my '23 touring was placed between a killer Ferrari and a drop dead gorgeous red '63 split window Vette. Can you guess which car drew the biggest crowd? The Ferrari owner got so pissed he went home early I suppose because people were ignoring his "million dollar" b...

"cuteness" is what attracted me 50+ years ago.

Thank you Alan. I've checked and re-checked all is well in that department.

'looks like fun, sorry I missed it.

Hello Everybody!! I have a Reeder aluminum high compression head on my '23 Touring that is prone to engine knock. I only use 91 octane gas and keep the ignition as retarded as much as possible to avoid the knock. Recently it seems the knock is becoming more prevalent and louder. Is it possible carbo...

Thank you all! Great suggestions, I'll give them a try. BTW I have a Reeder aluminum high compression head which is prone to engine knock so I use 91 octane non ethanol gas.

Has anyone used one of the carburetor cleaner fuel additives in their T? My Holley NH is acting like it needs a little "freshening" so before I order a rebuild kit I was wondering if this might help. Thanks!!

I have done it and it worked well. Like everyone says the though, the front wheel "net" straps do not hold well and need to be re tightened periodically. Instead of relying on them I recommend strapping the front and rear axles with come along tie downs.

To be sure, disk brakes are not original equipment, no argument. But if you want the most reliable way to bring your T to a stop when needed there is nothing better. I added the Sure Stop brakes from Birdhaven to my '23 touring 4 years ago and have not regretted it for one second. The brakes merely ...

IMG_0271.jpg IMG_0356.jpg This is a picture of ZINK Motor Co. in Appleton City, Mo. ZINK began business in 1916 in this very building which was built by the FORD Motor Company. The company is still a FORD Dealer and works from this same location today. (The Fords shown were a part of Zink's annual ...

Hi everyone. I'm told by the previous owner of my '23 touring that it has Kevlar bands installed. The only Kevlar bands I've seen are always yellow, but mine are gray or dirty white. What's up? Thanks!

Thank you one and all, but how about your pictures??? LET"S SEE "EM!!

I was once asked by a lady while filling my '23 with gas: "How many cranks does it take to go a mile". I was speechless.

Great news. Here's a photo of my wife's grandfather(on left)

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after a successful hunt standing next to his Chandler (year?).

Great job!!!

Being a former restorer of wooden boats I'm well versed in treating wood rot. With wooden members that are rotted but still in place I very successfully used a product called "GIT-ROT". It's a 2 part epoxy of thin viscosity which soaks into the wood and then hardens in 4-5 hours. The rotten wood is ...

I was having trouble with high gear not solidly "locking up" so I adjusted my clutch. I gave each of the 3 finger set screws 1/2 turn to the right ( and didn't drop a single cotter pin). Great result!!!

I was filling my tank at a local gas station when I was approached by a friendly lady. She asked me "how many cranks does it take for your car to go a mile?" I was speechless.

With schools cancelled and people "sheltering in place" the streets are devoid of the usual traffic. I've taken advantage of the situation by driving some formerly busy streets and absolutely loving every minute. I particularly get a kick out of all the waves and smiles from the folks of all ages ou...

Welcome Mike. I'm excited for you. I'm an old guy but over the years I've had many muscle cars, Corvettes and Bimmers but none of them are half as fun as my 23. My suggestion is to get her running reliably, make it safe, learn to drive it well and have a blast. This forum is an invaluable resource f...

Hi Dave, I too am a member of the Chuggers and live in Leawood, Ks. The best advice I can give is to get your car running, make it safe and learn how to drive it. Above all have fun!! This forum is full of seasoned veterans with thousands of years of experience. They can answer any question you may ...

Model Ts and Bison herd (look closely) at Fleming Park, Kansas City

Oooops I forgot the picture.

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Remember the days before social distancing and the whole family could ride in your T?

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Remember the days before social distancing and the whole family could ride in your T?

Never trust a smiling dog. W.C. Fields

It's OK with me. My grandfather was the first Chevrolet dealer in Kansas and sold 4 of these in his first year. One was to himself.

September 2015

Thank you Tim. Some questions: did you cut and buff the Model A part you painted using the rattle can base/clear coat? What brand did you use? The results you got in the pictures look super! You said you used a "dash of this stuff" what was the "stuff". I really appreciate your input.

I need to strip and repaint a rear fender on my '23 touring. Has anyone had any experience with the base coat, clear coat being offered by both Rustoleum and Dupliocolor?

I have 8ea capacitors purchased from Langs last summer and never opened the package. I'd sell all 8 for $15 + shipping. PM me if interested.

I drove Gracie the '23 to my first Cars & Coffee of the year at the Kansas City Auto Museum. She ran like a top.

This is a picture of Ron Patterson working his magic in his shop. Many of us have only spoken with him on the phone so here's putting a face with a name. You are welcome.

Hi Carson, Since you say it's raining and the engine is wet, I'd first look at the timer to see if there is water in it or on the contacts. Good luck!!!

HOLY SMOKE, Guys!!! I believe either me or my kids can someday contract for a complete rebuild and enjoy a proper fix then. Until then I think I'll just drive her on battery and be thankful for a sweet running Lizzie. As always, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, for your invaluable input.

Has anyone installed one of these ? How did you determine you needed to shim your crankshaft ? to How did you machine yours to obtain the proper thickness ? Many thanks!!

I use a bicycle GPS speedometer with great success. It's about 1" x 1.5" and weighs nothing. It's rechargeable from a computer USB port. You can attach it anywhere but mine attaches to a velcro dot in the middle of my lower windshield. I paid about $60.

Anybody need a Dan McEachern bronze cam gear? Used very little, gear mating surfaces like new. $50 + shipping. PM me if interested.

Re: Winter Clinic January 25, 2020 Good job Stu. Many thanks

Good job Stu. Many thanks

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Rabbit stew tonight!!! Granddad (left) with a buddy and his Chamberlain after a successful day in the field.

It was a well attended event and great to see everybody. I have no intention of entering the Montana 500 but I received lots of ideas on how to improve my T's performance. 'Sorry some of you missed it.

Weather permitting, I'll be there. Thank you.

Steve and R.V., Your thoughts on Curt's magneto malfunction interests me. I have a problem with my magneto in that it is intermittent and randomly cuts out then begins to work again. (Right now it isn't working.) The problem is with the rebuilt magneto itself. Checked with an analog meter there is n...

Thank you for all your assurances. Happy driving!!

Sadly, with my magneto no longer operational, I'm now resigned to driving my T on battery only going forward. Other than making sure I have a good battery with sufficient charge, what other things do I need be aware of driving this way? Thank you in advance for your help.

Tired of coffee spills, I gave up on trying to be clever/period correct. I bought a great cup holder from Amazon. Take a look at the Universal Cup holder made by Accmor for $10.99. It fastens anywhere on the dash (mine is just right of the steering column) it has a rubber grip cushion, it's made of ...

Yes, I used an analog meter. The needle didn't budge.

Hi Scott, I disconnected the magneto lead and checked AC voltage from the post to ground. The needle on my multi meter read zero and didn't budge with changes in RPM.

Thank you one and all for your interest in my problem and your extremely helpful suggestions. I'm sorry to report my problem is the magneto is simply not producing any voltage at all. I do not see any path from here other than a magneto coil assembly replacement at my next (if ever) engine rebuild. ...

Thank you John. Your suggestion is good but if the coil box is the problem wouldn't it not run when on battery as well?

Question: If the engine runs fine on battery how can the problem be with the coil box if it won't run reliably on magneto?

Many thanks Scott. You may not remember but you helped me with my last mystery -- unexplained engine rattle. One of the things I checked while running the loops was cam shaft end play. It was found to be within limits. (BTW my problem was engine knock caused by my aluminum high compression head. My ...

Thanks everybody. I bought the car 5 years ago and it had had a "ground-up" restoration and total engine rebuild. It has run superbly until recently. With the engine rework I assume the mag coil ring had been replaced as well and I can see the contact point is shiny like new. When the magneto is wor...

Thanks John. I've done all you suggest including replacing the mag post.

Hello Everyone. I'm having trouble with the magneto "cutting out" on my '23 Touring. I'll be driving along normally when it quits. The wiring and connections are good, I have replaced the back of the switch and the magneto post. There's nothing left but the magneto itself, right? Can anyone tell me ...

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I wear a size 3XL orange Department of Corrections jumpsuit.

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Thanks everyone. I can get the post with the outside oil connection IF i buy the whole kit. I only need the post not all the other plumbing.

Looking for a new, nearly new or otherwise serviceable 3 screw magneto post with outside oil line connection.

Thanks Bill. I call them tomorrow but it looks like they carry the post without the oil line connection like all the other suppliers I've checked.

Can anyone tell me where I can find a 3 screw magneto post with the external oil line connection? Mine works intermittently and before I try to fix it, I'd just like to just buy a replacement. Thank you.

Waving at the folks is my granddaughter in my '23 touring car. Show us your kids!!

Harold, I bet you have the same problem! Hopefully, you can solve it as I did. Please follow up and let us know the result.

Harold, Do you by chance have an aluminum high compression head? I do and I had a very similar loud knock as you described. It drove me crazy trying to find the cause. It turned out to be pre-ignition engine knock. I found by running 91 octane and using a little less advance the noise went away.

Gwendolyn is a beauty!! My experiences are similar to yours. My "Gracie" always draws a crowd at the few fund raiser car shows we attend despite all the competing muscle, bling and loud pipes. On one such occasion we were positioned between a gorgeous '63 slit window 'Vette and a Ferrari Super Ameri...

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Here's a pretty cool foto but I'm not sure who deserves the credit for this one.

My optimism fades and then something happens that restores my faith. Recently "Gracie" and I were stopped at a traffic light when a couple of late teen or early twenties youths pulled up next to me in a pick up truck. The driver asked what year my T was. When I replied "1923", he immediately turned ...

Yep, that's common. With my '23 Touring at a car show a 3 years ago I was positioned between a drop dead '63 split window Vette and a Ferrari Super America. My car drew a crowd for the duration of the show and hardly anybody paid any attention to my high dollar neighbors. The Ferrari owner got pisse...

I had a similar rattle and found it was "octane" knock caused by my Reeder aluminum high compression head. I went to 91 octane gas and used a little less advance. Rattle gone!

Installed LED headlight bulbs. Wow, what a difference!!!

I just installed a set like "Novice" shows above. Huge difference!!

I solved the mystery of my infuriating rattle. After hours and hours of searching for the loose, broken or otherwise faulty part which caused me to loose what sanity I had left, I can now enjoy my "quiet" '23 Touring. All it took was some 91 octane and a little less timing advance. My Reeder aluminu...

Dear friends, My nearly overwhelming feeling of ineptness is only surpassed by my great joy and relief. I can report I have found and corrected the"rattle" that has plagued me for so many months. I am truly in your debt for the countless thoughts and suggestions you folks have offered me on possible...

Thank you Scott. Point well taken.

Scott, Thank you for your help AGAIN!! The rod swings freely and the wrist pin bolt is in place with a cotter key. So how can the pin become loose??

So Jem, what's the remedy??

Jem- I've about concluded you may have hit upon the cause. Actually, there is nothing left!! So what catastrophic event is looming? In other words, what is the danger in driving it until winter when I can pull the plate and the head? Many thanks for your response.

Thanks Les. I've checked it and that's not it.

Hello again, This is another try at hoping to get some other ideas of the origin of a %$#@ rattle in my 1923 Touring. The rattle occurs when at idle or coasting. The engine was rebuilt some years ago with aluminum pistons, compression is good. Here is what I've checked: shorting out #3 the rattle st...

Scott, Thank you so much for your help. Using your suggestion it appears to be the center main. Actually when I short out either 2 or 3 the noise quits. So what does one do with a noisy center main bearing?

I'm ready to scream!! The engine runs like a top except for this rattle that I get while idling or coasting. I have adjusted my rod caps and removed a dozen or so spacers. I used the 1" square news paper technique to get the proper clearance. The rattle continued. I pulled the timing cover and found...

I took the above picture and posted it earlier at the time of Gary Hylton's untimely death. He was very proud of this car and among his several Ts I believe this was his favorite driver. Modified for reliability, he annually drove this car to his summer home in Minnesota from Prairie Village, Kansas...

Chris- I'll check my calendar, sounds like fun and I'd like to join you.

ZINK MOTOR CO began business in 1916 selling Ford Modet Ts and remains a Ford dealer today. ZINK's building itself was designed by Ford Motor Co and remains as it was back in the day. This past June 13th[image][/image] the owners held a special early Ford "meet" which drew cars from early T's to a p...

Sorry, my Dan Mc is UNDERSIZED.

Thanks Gene, I am looking to replace my Dan McEachern brass gear because it is oversized. I believe I'm running and original steel crank gear that is worn out or maybe the last babbit job was out of whack. Anyways I need a larger gear to get rid of the slop--the rattle is driving me crazy!!!

Hi Folks. I'm on a search for an aluminum .005 oversize timing gear. I understand the gear manufacturer for the usual parts dealers is serionuisly behind in production. Langs estimates a lengthy wait for order fulfillment. Got any suggestions??

They spent the last two nights in Olathe, Ks (Kansas City suburb). They used yesterday as a "maintenance day" then headed to Abilene, Ks this morning. I don't know where they are staying in Abilene. They're having fun!!

I've added disk brakes to my '23 touring for safety. That feature specifically disqualifies my car yet they allow seat belts. Disappointed.....

As for myself I had a great time and I'm sure everyone else did too. Thanks to you and your Dad everything was extermely well organized and executed. We can't do anythying about the weather but in the end all worked out fabulously. I look forward to touring with you folks again. Here is a coiuple of...

Chris, I appreciate your efforts and we're gfoing to have a great time..

Hey Clyde, I'll see you there. The weather forecast for Russell could be better but again it could be worse. It's been a long winter and my T and I both need this tour. Let's hope for blue skies!!

Thanks Hap. Yes, I've seen this but I'd really like to view it in motion. No doubt over the years somebody has captured it on film in one format or another.

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