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Steve Your original post was in fun, and you have made that love of painted wood spokes on T's before, heavens a few others were bothered ;) Now that original post is deleted, so can't add anything to it, so I'll chance it and add a bit. :) Of course Ford painted all wood spokes up to the Improved C...

Rob Super info, thanks so much. While at a nat'l club meeting got to visit the first home of Henry, Clara, and little Edsel at 140 Edison Ave. * . They had always lived in rental homes up to this time, they bought the lots in an up and coming subdivision for the better to do folks and built this ho...

The Model T was the boon of specialized accessories, and self-turning headlamps were among them! Here are two types, one turns both lamps, the other just a single lamp to assist on dark night turns. These are 1920-21 developments. Imagine the second one, you are approaching a T with this moving one ...

Here’s an earlier post with lots of photos. Don’t know of drawings, several have built these, Richard Currier offers these bodies already crafted. Jack, Should you want to build accurate, the axles on originals were ‘wide track’ 60”! http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/118802/144078.html?1278351670

IMG_5983 copy.JPG Finally I chased the top threads with an 8-32 die and put on the nuts. They're ready to go. I don't know what the difference is between a "775" and a 1 . If there really is a difference, it's too subtle for me to see it. 775 is the brand mark of high quality porcelain. Many mfg of...

Dirt ingested via the carburetor will shorten the life of any engine. That why its best to be the leader of the pack on a dirt road, nothing can get in the intake if your are sailing through that dirt and dust, and leave it behind the T. :lol: 187538 - Copy.jpg "Excuse My Dust" was a famous saying ...

Jim Am unaware of a typical brass alloy that is non-tarnishing. Most cases of offerings NTB or non-tarnishing brass, such as door knobs, etc have a coating over the brass. Suspect those uniform buttons were gold plate over brass, that will give a bright sheen that will last for several decades, as g...

With doing a speedster, mods to the firewall should be fine. So, do the old time trick and cutaway a notch on each side, on the left, for the added starter, make the notch a tad larger to see the top corner mounting screw. Engine pulls made easier too.

If your desire is to 'factory' type restoration, the frame and chassis parts, rear axle, front axle, etc. were done in shiny gloss black , oven dried paint, similar in gloss sheen to today's enamel, acrylic enamel, or epoxies. Better results for me has been with sandblast metal, then spray gun appli...

And...two styles of the steering gear to dash covers for '26-'27, the Fordor is unique. 478346.jpg The steering column mounts inside. The dash cover mounts outside the dash/firewall, that way the 2 upper holes in the steering column square flange line-up to the dash cover, that provides the lower 2 ...

I'm going to stick to a bucket of water and some 80 grit wet-or-dry sand paper. Thanks Rich Rich Hand sanding to get rust off? Even Henry put electric on his T ;) Just got a new grinder and disc to finish the rust removal, the ole Craftsman grinder finally conked out after 30 years :? 56B47C25-6FB6...

Adrian That laser rust removal device was featured on one of Jay Leno's Garage TV show a few years ago. While impressive, even Jay comments on the cost, that the home restorer won't be able to afford. This is from one of the sites that commented on the laser removal machines. ;) These state-of-the-a...

Birdhaven’s 120 page catalog has all the product lines, call to get one.

I'm not sure that the tires in the photo are black; it could be a reflection from the lighting for the photo. The cutout relay also appears to be white. I have never seen a white cutout relay on a Model T. Original cutouts I have seen are zinc plated, so it would appear light, white-like. What is w...

John I've used that same inexpensive switch with the strip over the inspection cover. But used washers and a tad longer machine screws to lift it up over the 'v' and no issues. Works OK for me. Guess some covers may be made different, fits to mine. IMG_7133 (550x413).jpg IMG_7134 (550x413).jpg

Thanks all, found them!

George Thanks for posting those newspaper adv.dates. The dating does seem to confirm that 'all-white tires' were gone in 1921. As the date of that 'discontinued sale' adv. was 1921. The other adv. showing 'white arrow tires' is just a trade mark for Hood Tire Co . As with the others posting, seems t...

Look like to me the first sign is a reproduction, the Ford script isn't authentic trademark. Modern repro to get around FoMoCo licensing.

Yes, twist to lock the rectangular slots or notches against the flat flange of the headlamp bucket. The circular spring fingers provide tension to the reflector with its rope gasket to push against the rim and lens to prevent rattling or lost. The reflector if left in the exit/entrance position wil...

Researching newspapers of the period ( up to 1925) it would seem that white tyres were available through the United States from many dealers. So if this adv. from this tire dealer is from 1925?, then these all- white tires were discontinued, if adv. is earlier, then perhaps all-white obsoleted way ...

Engine Factory Shot.jpg I believe the tire in this 1925 assembly line photo is white or light gray. That engine photo is earlier than ‘25, more like ‘23 or earlier, early style manifold clamps and round hole valve cover. Ford did try to use low cost tires and branch assembly plants may have delayed...

Re-check the parts to be sure correct for '25 as the 27" belt is what fits with stock parts. The arm, fan pulley and the crank pulley size can affect belt needs. And adjust the arm holding the fan pulley so the blade rides toward the lower the face of the radiator for best cooling, the blade should ...

They were out

of XL short sleeves on Fri. morning, but had larger sizes in long sleeve.

Suggest you call Susie Ersland @ (4 0 5) TWO 2 4 - 9 0 9 ZERO

According to John Regan post May 28, 2014:

“The steering column slot was factory item starting during 1912 year and continuing through 1914.”

Just put a core for an open spool in the mail today to Dave at Chaffin's Garage. He modifies these spools for the modern taper bearing, next batch is at the machine shop being honed for the bearing, as stock bearings are a tad large, and he makes the non-adjustable. For me they fit fine, did the las...

Jay

Yours are the "Grey Goose" brand!

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Henry did benefit from his popularity with rural America... he had quite an active political pull and he was entered into primaries and won success in becoming candidate for state office. This was from 1914-1929.* Supporters ran Henry in presidential primaries in Michigan and Nebraska in 1916, he ac...

Have found the bands washer/nut tool useful only in removing the washer and nut from the shaft, fitting it on the already mounted washer and nut when you want to change out a pedal. Keeps the parts secure. Can't use dental floss as the washer and nut are already on the shaft! For placing, found tha...

Figure 8 type spring hangers or shackle.

In need of one half of a pair of front, single piece, in like condition to this photo, just one piece or half.
And one complete pair, rear Figure 8, complete, both pieces similar as shown, but longer for the rear.

Tommy The spring should be stout! The spring is what holds the taper valve tight to the taper body of the petcock or sediment bulb. To take mine apart, gently placed the petcock body between the bench vise jaws, and compress the washer on the face of the spring to get out the cotter. Install the re...

Several types of early bumpers that fit the Ford, by just clamping in place. Today we would think the mount is insufficient, but same with the tiny bars, the lightweight T didn't have a big impact! Bumpers were good to chase off chickens and to 'test' your parking ability, like curb feelers! Gemco ...

Lens are for clearance lamps, used on trucks, trailers. Kaydee or similar. Nowadays made of plastic, older were glass like you have.

The lip is for the circular wire to hold the lens in the metal housing, use a set on my cut-off for brake lights

The wood post has metal recess socket that holds the bumper. If your car is missing those recessed brackets, Langs sells repro replacement.

Pry out the old, using a thin tool, screwdriver etc. The bumper just slips into that bracket by squeeze. Can't work loose as the door edge holds it too.

This should be useful guide.

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Dick Replaced some of those bumper on the '25 coupe last fall, got them from Lang's 6927BX, the flat top one, measure an old to be sure. The catalog says 26-27 but these fit earlier bodies too. Snyders lists the same door bumpers as for '09-'27! I did have to use a razor blade to trim , and sanded t...

Steve Those are the factory pieces for support to the seat back and spring. 3 pieces. 45044X- reinforcement(front seat back panel). that is the angled steel piece about 8 inches long bolted to the top of the panel thru the tack wood. 45256X - strip (seat back support) a steel strip bolted beneath t...

Celluloid windows were pretty good when new, but faded with sun, rain, scratched and got hazy.

So you still see these Hastings frames and real glass at swaps even today, they were useful for the owner who wanted to look back![/b]

The placement for the front seems fine, the spring will conform to the curve of the backrest body panel. Hang the spring with the seat cushion in place, that will show where the spring should hang on the lower part. Looking good!

Most were celluloid of nitrated cotton or wool mixed with solvents diluting with amyl acetate for a clear flexible film or some very early were isinglass ( eisenglass , from German 'iron glass' ), made from thin sheets of mica, but not flexible.

Jim, What is the right location for a cotter key? The distance will vary depending on which carb Adj. rod and knob, there are 11 different rod lengths, for '25 to 26, 26-27 and 26 -27 with vaporizer carbs, these fit the different body styles , TT or chassis only. Really not too important where the ...

Steve That cushion looks swell! Good work on that. As for the backrest, still think best to use tacks and upholster tack hammer. You will be positioning and pulling tacks to get alignments, so using a staple gun makes tough work of pulling a staple. The 2 leg staple leaves tears in the vinyl. Start ...

The sleeve seems ok. The piece below I think (picture is blurry) is a collar from the throttle or spark rods that someone used as a ‘cup’ to help pull up the sleeve. Seems to be the loop end of a cotter sticking into the tiny hole in the rod to support that cup. Remove it and the sleeve will fall fr...

Dean posted these Facebook photos and this detail of one version of the camper: 32 inch tail gate folds down for sleeping. That gives me 6’4’’ with the spare gas tank &storage. Without the second gas tank there would be 7’4’’ E6EAD145-1658-4C6D-B388-2600D4D7F05B.jpeg 71E1C6EC-7CED-4FB5-BAEF-A4654E5B...

That T rubber is pulled into the slot of the lower frame. No need to remove the seated glass. May be easier with lower frame out of the T as that piece of rubber can be pesky. Use some silicone paste on the rubber ‘ T ‘ portion to allow it to slip in better. And the channel has to be free of rust an...

That lower piece doesn’t seem to be Ford, so wiggle it off, could have a piece of wire in the tiny rod hole where a cotter should be. Just wiggle or cut it free. Maybe left over of a Vaporizer type fitting to the rod as they were slightly different.

Dave at Chaffins Garage has them, be a about 35 days or so. Ordered on Friday and he has the cores at the machine shop now. Send in your core and he provides a nice modern pinion bearing, have used his!

Another check also to determine if the correct bracket is used, your '24 should have the style with casting numerals, " T-932B "

Very different from your '26, which is " T-932C "

" T-932B " steering gear bracket

Tommy Drips of gasoline from your T should be stopped IMO, esp. if you park the T in an enclosed space. The petcock drains on the crankcase oil drain, carb bowl and the gas tank sediment bulb are simple taper valve, held in place with a small spring. A new petcock won't have wear and tear of an old...

Second that guess....oil can

Tim's new repo brass oil can has faux script to keep from paying marketing fees, and insuring the oil can isn't confused with originals, for obvious reasons.

Detail of the combo choke and carb adj. on the NH carb, showing that little cotter pin in the rod, for lifting the 4591 rod sleeve, that tugs up the wire to the choke when you pull on the knob. Twisting that knob adjusts the carb rich or lean.

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Dean opened the rear door for me to inspect his 'sleeping quarters'. The cool door knob and latch is a pair of manifold clamps, twist the outer, and the inner releases on the door jam. ;) 2021-03-18 17.03.46.jpg The inner sanctum , fairly snug, but ok for the thin man Dean! 2021-03-18 17.04.36.jpg

Thanks, that’s not where the magnet started out but moved. I’ll reposition and start the investigation. Might be best to wire that magnet to the screen to keep it from walking, and possibly fall into the trans. Prior thread on that happening :shock: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/822076/92682...

Link to True Fire Factory Instructions:

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R.V.

Emailed you for a dozen pieces. Thanks!

Henry didn't have truck with more than one product, produced with specialized tooling, with parts and pieces shipped in mass to the various assembly plants in the US and around the world.

That was the Model T's success. A single product for the largest market.

First easy check is for metallic debris on the mag pickup at the hogshead. Just a bit of fuzzy debris that is always mixed with metallic particles of normal engine wear will ground the mag intermittently. Second is to check the switch contacts for mag. Third is to do mag output check with light bulb...

Steve

Sent you forum email reply so we can talk!

Wanting a pair (two) front wheels, round wood spoke, with the all metal felloe and clincher rim formed in one piece. These wheels were provided by Ford from 1921 to 1926 as the std. non-demountable clincher wheel. See photos. Found a pair of rear, so looking for a useable pair (2) front wheels, 30"...

Original switch backing is a laminated cardboard like insulator, the plastic is a modern reproduction.

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Backside of a Ben Martin rebuild. The original laminate wafer terminal back is repaired and then sealed in clear epoxy.

Stan The free parking field had about 15 cars there Sat morning , almost as many motor homes. Crowd Friday was there, buyers walking, parking field looked good, buying and selling brisk. nothing on Sat. morning. Thursday line up had the busy buying amongst the vendors as always, a few outsiders. The...

Truck bed now with full to brim.

Dan

We left at 10am. The field was 1/3 full from yesterday. Inside bldgs. were never 1/4 in north only 1/2 full in southSwap seemed to me to be about like 2019 meet in total numbers

Still was good lots of deals and found some needed parts , so our truck and what was an empty trailer is now full

Thanks Dan

We’ll be safe, esp. the return trip as Perry brought along the fish net to lay over our prizes on the open trailer. He still has remorse over that lost cowl.

Dan

Me and Perry say come on out if you want to see live! We’re approaching Little Rock now

Jim

Appreciate your Facebook videos as always!

That ‘non metallic plug’ is the burlap gasket #3 in triangle in the drawing. No replacement is made as repro, save it or use as pattern with a heavy thickness of canvas or composite substitute.

The overflow drain pipe is held with 2921 long single slot set screw and retained on the lower cowl with a hook shaped fastener with nut inside cowl.

Bought my recent new modern pinion bearing open spool version from Chaffins. They make a nice one, send your core and get the modern from them.

Better to have an upholsterer do a special covering that uses some type of cardboard or reinforcement at the arm rest channels and lower edges where there is only a bit of tack wood. The '23-'25 kit backrest wouldn't fit at the body upper edges where metal channels hold a cardboard panel, there is n...

While it's always nice to keep stock, your valve body is destroyed at the lever end. The milled end is rounded, and the keyed lever won't fit anymore, can see where in the past pliers were used to grasp the valve to open and close. Don't think replacement valve bodies can be had, even then, fitting...

John

Yes a little 'flipper'' in the casting was added in 1924, but really isn't needed to be drawn in this sketch.

View of later clutch release

Bruce's C-D encyclopedia states '26-'27 open cars came with or without buttons on the vertical pleats.

Ones I have seen original are later, '27s with Vaporizer carbs, and pleats are without buttons. The famous 15th Million is buttonless.

Use some carb cleaner or lacquer thinner, avoid cotton swab due to cotton particles. As posted, a speck of trash, including a dab of gas resistance grease, can stick the needle. If a Vitron tipped needle, look for white residue around the cone that sets in the seat. That is residue from gas sitting...

Lightened up your photo. That case for the 5:1 gears seems ok. The image is at an angle, but the teeth seem good to go. Just clean out the old grease to check. Plus rotated the picture to show how it should be in the column, driver view. The slot is up. 1153037C-2127-4D50-88DD-77E707B73DF1.jpg Here ...

Vernon Good look back to earlier photos. I too wondered how that mag contact on the ring got snagged, and pushed down. Since it was nice before hogshead on....believe now the hogshead dragged on install, too close to the ring, since it’s a ‘15, would be alum hogshead, easy to wrestle around by tryin...

Robert Good info. to share. That longer pin and the other two should be a press fit to the steering post flange. That keeps them in place. Also, the large washer like spacer on the pinion overhangs the edges of those pins, so they shouldn't back up into the case cover. Plus, the slot for retaining ...

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Does anyone have a clue what the thing is that looks like a cone? My guess is the Wicked Witch of the East's foot, that stuck out from Dorothy's house in Wizard of Oz ;) That thing is marked as "the cause" of this runabout turning turtle in photo #14? :? Click on photo to enlarge. 7FFC12CA-1963-46C...

Without the engine running, no real harm.

With the engine running at a good idle, only harm is what will occur to anything in front of the Ford.

Original material was artificial leather, was called Ford 'Leathercloth', made by Ford. Woven cotton backing with a pressed on design grain covering of paint related chemicals, to mimic leather. As the best looking grain, that is the Turf Grain. This is second best, Colonial grain Colonial grain .j...

As an aside, how do others feel about hoisting the engine /trans assembly on two head bolt holes, especially with the chains attached to the end of the bolts? Is that asking a bit much of 100 year old cast iron? My three legged chain fall goes down to the pan rail at the back. Allan from down under...

Yes, without the Made in USA.

Just add enough tacks to keep the vinyl in line, just don't stretched too snug. The vinyl should have a thin padding layer under? Mine did. That keeps the line smooth like a smooth wrap over. Yours is looking good. Just reminder, your top cover will also be layered over this vinyl. So not too many t...

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Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:29 pm
Is that pliers you have resting in the oil filler hole jamming the timing gear?

Ooh...Adam good eyes....missed that!

Steve Easy does it! The engine still has the clutch engaged, as the clutch lever isn't on the handbrake cam. When you turned the engine over by the flywheel, same too, but the flywheel is many times the diameter of the circle the hand crank can turn, plus you used both hand and arms on that large f...

Looks pretty good to me. Would try to remove the wrinkles with a tad of cotton batting under that rear section, the back rest upholstery will cover that area anyway, but just to be sure those wrinkles are covered too. Original 1926sport touring, new, backrest showing the hip pad, pull nice over the ...

Yep Terry

Here are the photos you sent!

James These items I posted a while ago. Seems news releases began about April 1917 about the new TT. The release date was later, about laterJuly 1917, as the new "1918" model year, which began Aug 1. 1917. 41,105 TT chassis were built in the 1918 model year. IMG_5187 (880x469) (780x416).jpg IMG_073...

James Most of those script late bulbs are cast iron, so brass one is unique. The handle was wired to save it, as the valve stem with its milled flats on the shank is now rounded off from wear. The handle hole fits to the valve stem shank. Factory details: ert264.jpg 16298499_10207779582000123_575607...

Running boards are short, rubber covered wood with trim on edges. 31B989E2-2111-41E3-803C-57F83D77C110_4_5005_c.jpeg Front end has accessory rebound lever shocks, and a steering gizmo on center of axle, and spring is later clip leaf. (click on photo to enlarge) 89714AB6-14BE-4655-863B-A9E2B2D837B6_1...

Rob Terrific pictures , thanks! And again to your work on the real history of the “Big Six Ford”! The horse track weekly runs of the Model K, which I didn’t know, along with your previous research sure finally puts to rest that ‘Henry Ford disliked the K, and 6 cylinder motors’ as complete fiction! ;)

Had one of those, never did finish the speedster and parted the whole project out, sold off the dummy alum parts at a swap years ago. You fasten the dummy cover, with that center bolt to a sheet metal strap to a head bolt. The dummy cover cleared exposed head bolts, but would need a gap or notch mad...

Is that a rear view mirror to the right of the firewall? I thought rear view mirrors were pioneered on Ray Harroun's Marmon Wasp in 1911 (?) at the Indy 500. Here is a full view from Rob's earlier posting, that 'mirror thing' is some sort of foot operated pedal, it has a long spring return going to...

2508X is Snyders part number for the same Langs offering, it's made in Texas, a very short modern outer bearing with Timken taper fitted to shell race that has to be pinned to the axle housing, by using that existing hole in the outer housing that holds the Hyatt sleeve dimple, and using a 1/4” dia...

If you purchased the ''oversize" set with the oversize pinion shaft, then yes, you'll have to fit the new pinion to the cover. Either ream the cover bore or remove some of the oversize shaft to make a nice slip fit. For me, most times the new set in std. size works OK with a cover that has been re-p...

As others, re-rivet is an easy task with good tools, cold rivet uses just a good buck at the back side, and if you want to form a nice head, a tool, and a large mallet. Really no substitute for a tight solid rivet, threaded bolts can wear at the threaded shank, with the twisting of a Ford frame, and...

Steve Your fit at top is fine. Under that slight lip, that will prevent moisture. Of course if you leave it in the rain all the time the door panels will warp in a few months. Dry off the upholstery if caught in the rain with top down. Any sealant at the top edge could be visible. As for latch trim,...

Wouldn't be too dismal......even with full size plans, there is finding quality kiln dried ash to make the sills, and all the other parts. Plus the compound curves to do the pieces. With a 'wood kit' you can be on your way. Sure it may be pricey, but all the hard work and quality hardwood is at you...

A friend just rebuilt his, with heavy wall steel tubing outer shell. These with the cast ends live a longer life

Clymer's own bio.....he did sell a few Fords for others, but never was a dealer, but he did become a Ford salesman at age 15,

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