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The single part is the lower steering column dash clamp for a '26-'27

Bolt began being used in 1922 instead of stud.

Eric The late '24 (Oct '24) {well technically the 1925 model year} and up to 1927 open car windshields have two holes for the accessory rear view mirror and one hole for the wiper located in the same places. The wiper hole is approx. 12" in from the edge of the driver's upper windshield frame. The ...

Are these pics the correct routing? And, if so are there some missing items to make this routing a little more "safe"? If not a fire hazard, I would think vapor lock might be an issue. I'll hang up and listen.fuel line 1.JPGfuel line 2.JPGfuel line 3.JPG That routing of the fuel line is correct for...

Mitch It’s rather a good idea to keep the coolant up high. Any excess will just spill out the overflow anyway. The thermo syphon needs the upper outlet covered at all times with coolant, otherwise the flow will stop, and stay in the cylinder head and overheat the motor. As with any syphon, let the h...

My neighbor Sterling shared this story, and these great photographs of the time with me and thought it would be a good one to share Seems his dad Willie hand built this T speedster he named "Bare Model" It had Rajo Overhead valves, counter balanced crank, and attached high-tension magneto for igniti...

Mitch Fun video as all of yours are, thanks for sharing. Leaky or even missing radiator cap gaskets do indeed allow seepage to flow over the hood and onto the windshield :o Have used over the years lots of gaskets, cut from cork, some from paper some from rubber, but always the flat circular gasket...

Believe two reasons for the metal pipe on the lower inlet. The savings of rubber tubing is reason number one of course, rubber in those days wasn't cheap. The other reason is the long term effect of a longer length of rubber tubing over time. Age and heat, and weight of the water flowing up that ru...

Arnie

The single slot screw on the stanchion is correct factory fitting. The curtain hook has round hole, so machine screw was used. Plus if you have tried to install a nut there , on a captive carriage bolt, you will soon know why a slotted screw was used from the outside.

Striping colors listed in Service Bulletin, details are for the coupe, but open cars got the same style thin stripe in these same colors.

Original period photos in color perhaps don't even exist as B/W was the photo methods then.

Arnie Mike is correct, the original paint on the 15th million was the Gunmetal Blue ** pyroxylin. Original photo in the museum in 1929 or so. The lettering was silver on the blue body, note the stripe. Stripes were cream, green, orange, or vermilion red, depending on body color. 15th mil original.j...

That Murray Fahnestock drawing of the touring and runabout is from 1921 issue, so it's for a '21 or '22. This info is from tech questions in Model T Times, years ago, no sketch, but helpful on the wood bow heights if re-wooding the top irons. And yes, the vertical upright irons are to be vertical. 1...

John Have to also recommend David Woods, he does early coils, generators along with starters. Had built this test panel for starters, complete with torque test. If you do Facebook, his page is Williamston T Works . Has some good info, pics, and videos on his FB page. Screen shot of the Starter Test...

No No....don't add oily fluid like diesel or motor oil in any amount to the fuel tank. Now Marvel Mystery Oil is fine for the fuel tank, it's wintergreen oil and good for the valve stems. Place proper amount per gal. from instructions. Once years ago thought it was a good idea to dribble a little m...

Seems like a 20's Kodak camera case or some kind of case for holding a nice instrument.

Sturdy, top load to place the device, lined interior for protection of the case.

Jim

Thanks for sharing, have been building 1:25 scale car models since the ‘60s, when an AMT kit sold for $1.25

And still do it, fun to make a model of your restored car, or just past time desk work

Wonderful insight with those photos on the volume production by Ford. Like those stocks of completed wheels with tires. The rear wheels with drums in one stack, and front wheel with hubs protected by heavy wrapped coverings.

Thanks for posting

Allan Haven't seen but 2 Canadian block stampings, but still don't think they used the style font in the photo of first mfg. car. The length of the boss proves that engine was made after May of 1924, way later than the so called new production that was purported to be in 1917.. Believe the issue is...

That is a much later block, with the longest length boss, shaved, and has been re-stamped with a ‘14 number, not a factory stamping. Compare to the below pic, as the years went by the serial number boss got longer to handle the million serial numerals. The lower block is a real 1914, with correct sh...

I am trying to get a work party together to mount the body and was wondering how many people I would need to do the job. Craig For your runabout 4 persons is best, one at each corner, a 5th, you, would be the spotter/supervisor :D I used 5 plus me, to place a heavier all steel ‘27touring. IMG_1136....

Here is some info from 1919

The body only weights are on lower part of the page.

Would think a stripped '13 body would be less than 300 lbs.

John, that's true. Some carbs have worn down needle or seat, that can make a larger range needed. Also, important instruction by Ford is to secure the nut on needle valve shaft, or your adjustment can walk away on you! Helped a fella couple weeks ago, his nice '22 from is grandpa is now his. So lear...

attempts indicated fuel pouring out of gaskets in Holly NH carb, so replaced all the gaskets and gave carb good cleaning but not a total rebuild. Current attempts cause backfiring at carb on a regular tythem strok Likely the carb is the issue. If leaking, the float may be too high, and the gas pudd...

Final check of tightness will occur when wheel bearings and wheels are mounted and steering connected.

You’ll know the kingpins are too tight when the front is jacked up and you can’t turn the steering wheel

Same here

That just started a week or so ago.

I wonder if the Admin. can 'reset' something in the forum server to be able to have Google retrieve like before?

Would think its on the Forum end of things.....??

Yes.

That is so weird. Don't have an answer either. Was easy way to search old forum posts.
Even trying to use 'quotes' in the terms didn't work.

But just tried search with Yahoo, and got hits on MTFCA FORUM, with search words, so guess I'll have to use another search engine other than Google

Here is older thread with good info. Have built a simple reverse coil wire wrap, 2 coil charger that the horseshoe magnet slips into. Wire was sourced from a 20amp circuit Romex cable, about 4 layers wrapped over a support tube to fashion the hollow coils about 5” long. home magnet charger.JPG Used ...

If your goal is to preserve the original finish, that most times is difficult to achieve. Depends mostly on what the top layer(s) are. Could be enamel or lacquer. Or how impervious the original layer of paint remains. Would try a small area first, use enamel thinner and see if that removes any. Then...

To add to earlier post, here is the fender info in 1924, by E.H. Walter’s, in his Rememberences. The stamping operations being transferred to the giant River Rouge plant, new dies were made to improve the late ‘24 front fenders. Interesting is the mfg. quantity, that fenders were made in larger numb...

Here is complete set of APCO accessory rear brakes. Image from the Gallery link, on top right of Forum page, under aftermarket accessories.

Click on link.

https://www.mtfca.com/phpBB3/app.php/gallery/image/2274

DIBN'T THEY HAVE A COMMERCIAL FENDER ALSO ? That is a MYTH… See the listing for “1925” above. The front fenders with the bead going under the apron were considered “commercial fenders” by some people and vendors at a point in time before there was a great deal of good research and factual informati...

Think the early Ts didn't have any fender to apron braces, but around 1915 or so Ford added an internal bracket. This photo is an original '15 touring, with some repairs over the years. IMG_1394.jpeg And the early ones could have been accessory braces, here are two examples, 1915 catalog and a 1923...

Here are some more.

Beyond use IMO.

The radius rods are hollow, so rust will be likely inside too thinning the wall thickness.

Good used radius rods with good non- egg shaped round ball can be found.

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If you “cashed” it, like your endorsement on it, to another or at a financial institution, you are guilty of passing a bad check….and would be held in lawful consequence.

Jeff What exactly is the scam? Are they trying to get your account info from the check being deposited of something? Bryant Bryant Scammer’s after the ‘excess’ funds you are supposed to put in your bank. By Law all banks must clear immediately (2-3day) all or majority of check deposits , so scammer...

Marshall Instructions may help, for this seal the metal washer is for the Hyatt bearing race to butt against, just like the washer for the outer felt seal. So metal out ;) A long pick with slight hook can grab that seal to remove, may have to pierce the plastic, likely wrecking that seal. :( IMG_112...

If open car, have a couple of pics like this, don't have dimensions of closed car. What year and open car body style and which seat or backrest spring are you needing?

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Donnie Someone posted these pics on the forum a while back. Chassis shows T wire wheels, and the part frame and part spring hanger mount uses a long bar to go under the wire wheel spare. Seems like one way to do it. The trailer gross weight will have to be calculated to do engineering of the mount, ...

Long shot, but may be worth a phone call, Dayton is still making wire wheels and offers restoration services.

Here is view from above, but not from space :lol: Shows clearly the center oil track of those Greenfield Village Model Ts as they round the path near the Village Green :D Actually it is helpful on T tours, if you have a bunch of 'em to follow, you can forget the tour book details and follow the bre...

From the number of PM's I'm receiving on this project, it is represented to me that a 27 T with wooden demountables is a plug and play option. Or, would there still be some modifications I would need to make. The demountable wheels give me the look I have seen on Model T ambulances with the tire an...

Adam Use these pictures to help you measure those irons and the shape and length of each pair of the 3 irons on a '23-'25 roadster top. The front irons are left and right. 23-5RdTopSockets-1.jpg As mounted with wood bows in place and fitted to the body. 23 25 topset side view.jpg 23-24 top set.jpg ...

Seems a bit too much IMO. Also you might have worn u-joint that contributes. Just measured two rear axles, instead of measuring at wheel circumference, found it best at the brake drum, 8" or so from the axle center. Did both vehicles the same, locked in high gear, both rear wheels jacked off the gr...

Lex

Very nice, you have the best follow through, those new bolts will work fine with your adjustments and checks

Lex A longer length in a harder bolt may be ok to use, original Ford were most likely grade 2 and old ones used over and over have been known to break off if stuck. However….do check each block hole depth…..as they are not all drilled the same depth. They will vary in depth. You might find such long...

Even Ford’s best steel can’t repel the elements.

Center to center length is 7”

Frank's reply is the first thing to check. The bulb must have ground path from the socket cylinder that holds the bulb, that socket should be a firm fit but allow the adjusting screw on the back of the headlamp bucket to pull or push it to focus the bulb beam. An illuminated Check lamp is handy and...

My '26 Runabout does not have rivets there or holes for them. Only thing on the rivet is if 'colored' like brass, may have been brazed at the factory, lots of brazing was done to secure things. Check it with a magnet to test for steel. Only enclosed cars got carpet as standard. Front carpet has sna...

These photos might help, they have the thread size for fittings. Don't know where you obtain any.

Craig E. Luton wrote: ↑
Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:34 pm
Front #1 bow protrudes from socket about 7”, #2 about 8” , Rear #3 about 8”, is this measurement for the top or bottom of the bow?
Craig

Craig. Measures are to the TOP of the wood bows.

Dan

I am wondering if a hardware store grade 5 bolts that are trimmed to lenght would be satisfactory. The bolts used with an aluminum head should be torqued exactly as recommended. By all means do not over-torque and do not lubricate unless recommended by the supplier. Art Mirtes Art Yes, have used gr...

Very good book, written by Robert Casey, in 2008 for the Ford Centennial, Robert being the John and Horace Dodge Curator of Transportation at The Henry Ford.

Got my copy in 2016.

One more thing, are the 13/14 roadster top irons and bows the same as the 1915-22 roadsters Likely some difference in the years. Here is info on the 1914 runabout top. 1914 Runabout Top socket lengths: Front #1 22”, #2 24 ½”, Rear #3 26 ¼” Wood bows are 47 ½” wide. Front #1 bow protrudes from socke...

I see now it may have been missing. I was thinking maybe there was a template. Any ideas where to get one? Here is the link to Texas T Parts Hi Flow, the template is on the last pages. PDF file: http://www.texastparts.com/mm5/manuals/T3081-HVOL.pdf Here's where I placed mine on a '26 hogshead. 100_...

George Some more factory data from B. McCalley CD Encyl.: T-483C2 Cylinder Head Bolt (7/16-14 x 3-9/32”) High Head bolt 12-19-19Adopted 3-29-21 Changed material from CD OH BB heading steel type E to CD CH wire type E. 11-4-21 Limits have been specified on the pitch diameter of threads bringing them...

The stainless steel washers on the alum heads,(to prevent galling of the cylinder head by tightening the head bolts), have to be very thin, so don't use a thick one for sure. And the bolt holes in the block can vary in depth and be sure to clean to the bottom of the hole, compressed air and a pick t...

Jim

Details of the Improved Car '26-'27 block to compare to earlier blocks.

B McCalley CD encyl states:

OCT 26 1925, (Engine production records) Began using bolts on the valve doors.

Why buy a modern wrench? Your Ford tool kit came with the proper tool, works fine. The 1917 Band Nut and Pack Nut Wrench. The ends of the jaws of this wrench are factory formed splayed or slightly apart, so applying the wrench also at an angle will allow the wrench jaws to easily pull up that pack ...

The gentleman with the coupe has added a road or 'driving' lamp under the fender. I too did the same

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Helps to check the length of that spring loaded reproduction mag contact, as it differs from Ford original coil spring contact. Some solder pads on the field coil ring are tall, and the long point on the reproduction may be too long and need trimming . Check first that the mag contact base seats fu...

Original '15 shows the choke wire, but....... the lever end of the wire is hidden

These pics were on the forum on an earlier thread about gas lid hinges.

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Here are the dimensions of the original tang of the 4 rivets on the headlamp rim. Use for reference.

Some tools were specified with finish. socket.jpg Socket plug tool.jpg And the 1917 Band nut and Pack nut wrench. Note finish remark, the spec. also called for Cyanide Hardening. So a finish remained after that process, likely a black one, as carbon is absorbed during the hardening. wrench finish.j...

Have found an "L" bend will retain the wire. Easy to flex the long part of the wire to remove from the lever hole too. Used a mild "L", with a radius bend, so removing the choke rod is much easier when taking off the carb or a radiator ;) 232806.jpg Here is factory bends, some have a small angle, a...

One very like those recently sold on an on-line auction.

Haven't seen either those missing Ford script ammeters with 0-5-10-20 markings

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Have varnished both old spokes and new spokes. Using only a very high quality varnish. The better ones are used on wood boats, I used only Epifanes brand, has extra uv-filter to keep gloss. Made in Holland, not cheap, but will last for years. Below photo is more than 10 years after finishing. Trick...

schwabd1 wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 04, 2023 8:36 am
Google "running board bracket jig, mtfca". It's a post on a jig Tom Rootlieb made to get your brackets perfect. There's a link with all the measurements to make your own.

Link to that post:

https://www.mtfca.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=38189

Here is a reference frame drawing.

http://www.cimorelli.com/mtdl/techarticles/Frame.pdf

and does anyone know if the generator cover is 'period' correct or not? That generator block off plate or cover would be more modern, still avail from Lang's # TG1. Haven't seen similar in old time catalogs for T speed parts. However, might still be ok, as there was a period alum. and finned oil pa...

IMO, add the rim nut and add a dust cover.

The rim nut will maintain the metal stem straight, esp. if the tube gets under-inflated, as the stem could shift in the larger rim hole and could tear loose from the tube.

Also, regarding fan belt tension, many times too much tension is used and that can cause undue wear on the bushings. Same with water pump, if too much belt tension. The long shaft of the pulley will be flexed and causes rapid wear of the shaft packings, resulting in leaks that deplete the cooling s...

Jim Your last picture upload shows a cylinder head bolt tightening sequence which isn't the best for a Model T. This one is much better, and meets the Ford Service Manual instructions. The center bolts of the head must be torqued first, where the cylinders are spaced narrow, the smallest part of th...

Neat photo Can read only contents of crates with "B", says "Motor Parts". "Chassis Starter" 6E183E28-AE20-41EE-B422-92354232ED46_1_201_a.jpeg The "A" crates seem to be larger, perhaps for body parts. Think these crates contain all the parts to assemble the chassis and body in the Ford assembly line...

The centers are different, the A has concave look for the brake drums. The T on left, the A on right. The T has a tapered nose cone where the spokes meet. Many other obvious differences. ModelT left, Early 28 Model A right.jpg Or cut a narrow piece of cardboard 5" wide, for measuring the center lin...

As a follow along, big government got well underway in the 1920's and has now become a monster. Had to take this screen shot while watching a 1928 flick, by Howard Hughes, titled The Racket Very appropriate today. All our representatives and the elected elite, along with the non-elected government ...

Been following the 'Wake Up Call' thread, didn't add anything, however..... Just checked and that thread by Hank, with all comments, was moved to OT forum section, OT Off Topic, other than Model T.

That seems ok, it is still up and comments can be made. Just added my comments a minute ago.

Tire brands are different O.D. need to check the mfg specs.

Quick review showed;
Coker 450x4.75 21 as 30.37" OD
Goodyear Silvertown 440x450 21 as 29.27" OD
Firestone 440x450 21 as 30.79" OD

I recently installed new hoses on my 26 and 24 with what Langs carries for T's and did not find them too short or even a little short. The outlet hose in the kits is normally too long. Cut it to the factory spec of 2 3/4" length. That way the end of the hose is well away from the spark rod as it cl...

Frank

Sent you an email.

Dan

Approx. 9 1/2 - 9 3/4 gallons. Anymore than that it may over spill when using a gas pump nozzle. And place nozzle away from the baffle side or you will get some splash back if the pump is fast flowing :shock: 26 27 tank.jpg The earlier tank designs capacity. IMG_4324 (2) (700x525).jpg

Patent number led to this battery charger. That meter is featured in the patent drawing too.

Here are a few more accessory dash panel clamps. Popular until Ford added the riveted clamp as std. later in 1923.

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".Joe you said you have one hanging on a nail to remind you. Was that with a Z head? do you have picks? In my infancy with model T's I used them and don't remember ever having trouble with them other than they are a pain to clean off when you remove the head for other repairs." Craig. These pics ca...

Generally change due to many more state motoring laws requiring light to be shown on the license plate. The earlier style little clear was not illuminating enough.

Same today, if the police can’t see your plate at nite, you’ll risk chance of pull over stop.

The tabs on the gear cluster can be carefully bent back, after annealing the tabs. You only need to open them just enough to remove and install the rods. If you aren't going to re-use the case, the tabs can be bent cold, with a screwdriver tip, but they will fracture. Heat with torch to dull red, t...

Mitch Very nice review of Champion plugs. Anyways fun to watch your YouTube videos! ;) Did note at sometime, someone, used pliers on those tiny thumb nuts. That can cause real issue with the modern Champion 25s that have an alum. terminal. That terminal is just a short one, and ceramic potted to th...

Objective measure is best way, just get an inexpensive laser heat temp gage and measure. Useful for lots of T parts, like the cooling system.' These pics were on the forum years ago and useful too. You might get such a tool and measure the temp to see if it's in range. Once had a rear axle after ju...

babychadwick wrote: ↑
Sun Nov 19, 2023 4:02 pm
3" diameter, 48" length about 107 lbs.

FedX Ground can handle up to 150 lbs.

Plugged in your dimensions and weight for that ‘stock’ from Az to Tn :

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The battery ignition Ford used on the Model A was new. The T used magneto ignition that was AC current. The engineering decision was that the new high-tension DC spark would be more efficient with positive ground, so the change to positive ground from the Model T’s negative ground. Also, Henry was ...

Just a bit of info on adapters for wire wheels. Am believer that Ford engineered the front wire wheels for lateral support with the correct mating hubs. Model T front hub with long snout and the mating taper 'Dixie cup' like cone of the T wire wheels. And Model A front hub with brakes, for the Mode...

Head bolt sizes. IMG_0649.jpeg Caution on using a bottom tap or thread cleaning tap with the cylinder head still in place. As you withdraw the tap, debris can fall free back into the hole when pulling up through the cylinder head holes. The debris may still remain as you have to blow out the residue...

Parts listing of the #5020 key used for both is Fac. No. 1751.

Bruce's CD listing states 1751 is a #3 Std. Woodruff Key.

A No. 3 std. Woodruff is 1/8" thick x 1/2" length.

The above information raises the questions: Is the style Kim posted. and Larry made, the original iteration of the "envelope" style? Or was that 26-27 Model T style similar to the Model A pouch that had snaps? If so, where does this one fit into the scheme of thins? Believe this info below is mostl...

Sad news about John's passing. Was a great source of info, and skilled at remanufacture too. Once had him re-rivet his new 30x3 1/2 clincher rims on a set of Disteel wheels, perfect job done. Yes, Mike is continuing the mfg of new wire wheels, beautiful work also. https://www.vintagewirewheel.com/a...

This comparison may help, the ball on your used one is rather worn to egg shape.

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