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Allan

I presume they have access to better quality tyres than those that are sold for real T's. If those things are able to be registered for road use, thier tyres would have to meet the required standards.

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Larry, I understand and agree with you on the need for thicker axle spacer washers. However, you lost me when you said the dowel pin holes are in them?

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I' m a bit cautious. I have a 3 legged chain fall. One goes to the water outlet on the front of the head the others go either side of the hogshead about half way along the back rail.
Henry would approve of the three point mounting.

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Wayne, my barn find tourer backboard came with two cast aluminium hubcaps on the front. Neither has a grease fitting. Interestingly, they are two different caps, one much bulkier than the other.

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That is an early over the axle wishbone with the short arms on the forged Y with the ball. Later ones had the same longer arms of the under axle version. Someone may need it to make their car "correct!"

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Keith, is this the switch which screws onto the top of the steering column tube?

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Might these be for the 5 lug accessory Firestone wheels. Certainly not Firestone rims made for Ford.
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The only cause for concern might be if that broken off piece is still in there somewhere, and it could be dislodged and go through the bearing. Closely check the retaining nut and the grease. If you can't find the piece, it must have been installed with that flaw.

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I can't believe the profligacy of you people! If you dip the toothpick in glue, fill one hole, cut it off with side cutters, dip and glue again, you can fill 3-4 holes with just one toothpick.

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Corey, I always wondered how that elbow attachment was mad/assembled. It always looked like one piece, and I could never imagine how they made it. Stan Howe was of the opinion that the two screw covers were the earlier ones. He often had to re-machine them to get them to seat properly. He concluded ...

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When using enamels, it is not unusual to break into a 1 gallon can more than a few times, especially when painting T parts black. Towards the bottom of the can, the paint does skin over. It is the repeated skin removal which can result on lumps in the remaining paint. These are easily contained in t...

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Steven, the formula is correct. My maths is out though. 34-9=25. That tyre was likely for a larger car than a T. Still a nice display item though.

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On second look, while the 23" is correct for a model T, that tyre is straight sided, nor a clincher tyre. You would need a split rim to mount the tyre.

If it is just for dislay, it could be mounted on a Chev split rim.

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Steven, the rule is take the width x 2 from the diameter to find the rim size. So 2 x 4.5 width = 9. Subtract from diameter of 34 = 23, which is model T size.

Hope this helps.
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If the washer between axles is not made "correctly," it may have something to do with wear between the axle ends and wear between the diff housing and the thrust faces on the back of the axle gears. Wear in these areas will compromise the fit of the original washer. If Chaffin's supply a thicker was...

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I have always used single pack lacquer on my T's. It is very forgiving, easy to touch up, and gives what I consider a more period correct finish, as opposed to plastic looking ultra shiny two packs. I too strain through nylon stockings, with never a problem. The good thing is they stretch over the c...

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There is no difference between a drivers side hub and a passenger side hub. Nor is there ant difference between the left or right hub, so any good hub will do. There are differences in hubs of different ages if that is important to you.

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A mate in Spokane had a similar problem, even though anything with silicone was banned from the shop. He kept getting fisheyes on an A model he was painting. Assiduous attention to detail when the owner was rubbing down between coats made it no better. Turned out to be silicone in the hand cleaner h...

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None that I know of Steve. At least Blockley tubes hold air, and the period valve stems they use are acceptable to most.

Welcome back to the forum. I look forward to your continued improvement in your recovery, and your input hrer.

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And even if there was a difference when new, 100 years of rebounding will have made that difference hardly discernible.

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Oops! Can anyone get this into the general forum?

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These three pairs if pliers are all a little bit different. Are they just reflecting the wares of different suppliers, or do they indicate certain periods of production. The top one has the largest and crudest Ford logo. I carry that one in the tool roll in my 1912 van The middle one with the recess...

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I use copper coated Hi test oxy welding wire in straight lengths. The bend is like Dan's, but I make the first one really sharp by forming it in a vice so that is stays close to the choke arm. The second bend is formed to accommodate either steel or cast brass choke arms. It can be part formed and b...

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O T , wuthout any connection to a T.

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I can understand Blockley retaining control over their products. Who needs another middleman adding to the supply chain, and adding additional costs. In Australia, I believe there is now just one outlet for Blockley clincher tyres. This dealer is a long time stockist/supplier of the Blockley range o...

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If anyone can get a T to run, Bryan is your man. You are a lucky rider Keith. I had the pleasure of riding in and driving the original 1911 tourer that Bryan owned. What a delightful car that was.

It would be great to get Otis and Henrietta side by side in a photo shoot.

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Mark, without wishing to cause any offence, I would say it is a felloe made by someone other than Hayes and made so that it would accept Hayes rims as well as others. I expect Ford demanded that their various suppliers produce wheels/rims which would allow interchangeability with each other. The onl...

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Now you've nailed it Shane. The right side is always the right side. No confusion then. I little while back there was a post looking for a passenger side rear door! Passengers sit on both sides in the rear of our cars.

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This is a bit chicken/egg timeline stuff. The flip top oilers were not needed until the brass oiler type shackles were deleted. The adoption of cheaper L shaped shackles would have been associated with the adoption of flip type oilers. Perhaps the change of shackles will indicate when the oilers wer...

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Shane, do you want a lelt hand side door or right? The passenger side can be either.

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In the third photo note the wider straight sided tyre and split rim combination. I can make out "xxxxx STATES TIRE xxxxx " on the sidewall. It looks like a 23" tyre, consistent with the date of the car.

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I would just use whatever clearcoat you have in mind, no stain at all. That light colour timber will provide a nice contrast. If not clearcoating, just oil it. That will allow it to darken with age. If you do stain it, use a product that can be mixed in the clearcoat. Do some test pieces to find out...

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I use the same charger on all my batteries. It is a smart charger, which selects the voltage of the battery connected and away it charges. However, it is not smart enough to recognise a totally flat battery when hooked up. It needs a surface charge to get started.

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Rick, what you found is what I suspected. The felloes with the straight up outer edge are likely not Hayes made, but are made to take Hayes rims to aid in interchangeability of rims. In a previous thread it was thought that your felloes were made for Ford by Firestone. With the cut-out in the felloe...

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I put 6.50 x 16" Chev rims and tyres on my first T, just like the ones in the first photo. It was almost impossible to control on loose dirt roads.By the time the Ford steering gear would react to correction, it was usually time to correct the other way!

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We have a 20% off price from a local parts supply chain store at the moment. However, at 20% off the price they say it usually sells for is still way over the price i pay elsewhere on my workshop account.

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Kevin, most of the run-out in the axle is in the threaded end, and is not likely a contributor to the oil leak. tThe colour and consistency of the leaking fluid is way off. It looks very likely you are getting engine oil in the mix. I would be checking the contents of the universal joint ball housin...

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I'd like to ask why US production wheels did not adopt the double taper on the butt end of the spokes. It would sure make rebuilding wheels much easier for you blokes.

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Excellent work. Perseverance certainly pays off in the long run. I have a need for two units. I have original covers, but it seems silly to ship them, only to have them come all the way back. How difficult would it be to pack them sans covers? Rather than spot weld the covers on I could use soft sol...

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Rick, your wheels will certainly take a Hayes rim with the foot on the lugs. That is not in doubt. My doubts are about labeling wheels with that straight-up edge on the felloe with the notches cut out as being manufactured by Hayes. They may be manufactured by others and the cut outs included so Hay...

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See if there is a maker's mark on it somewhere. I have never seen a felloe with that miniscule ridge around the outside of the felloe. The depression at the lug hole is only noticeable because that portion of the ridge is no longer there. The OD of the felloe is barely reduced, if at all. Allan from...

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it is not a good idea to use anything that might act as a lubricant when installing a metal valve stem, other than water which will dry off quickly. Modern tubes have no fabric reinforcement around the valve stem hole like the old time tubes had. If too much tension is applied when tightening the nu...

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Steve, if you compare it with the notch shown in the original post, the Ebay one looks more like a register mark where a Hayes lug foot has been jammed on. It does not look like a deliberate machining. I seriously doubt it will take a Hayes rim, so it is most likely not a Hayes felloe. Allan from do...

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Agreed John. All our Canadian sourced cars had 30 x 3.5" wheels all round. Were there ever any skinny 3" front wheels on US cars which were demountable?

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Fellows. that felloe is different! The outside straight-up edge has no notches for the foot on a Hayes lug, so I doubt it is a Hayes felloe, this doubt being indicated by the sellers description Hayes or Ford. It also has a small raised rim around the outside of the straight-up outed edge that I hav...

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Kelsey in Canada certainly made fixed lug rims. Until late 1925 all our Canadian sourced cars had loose lug rims. During production of the 1925 cars, they changed to fixed lug rims. My barn fresh Henrietta has loose lug rims, four of which are dated 3-25 and one 2-25. However, the car was not sold u...

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Surely this one is more appropriate!

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Steve, on our 1925 and early 26 cars from Canada we still had 23" wheels. The later ones, before the 21" wheels on the improved cars, were the only ones we saw with fixed lugs. My 1925 barn fresh backboard , sold in Feb 26, still had Kelsey loose lug wheels. All of the 23" wheels had rolled in outer...

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Mike the really interesting bit was the spring steel band used. One end was fixed to the former The supple blanks were butted up against it. Then an adjustable stop was fixed hard up against the other end of the timber blank. This meant that the outside of the curve was fixed and the inside was the ...

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Love your work Geoff. I always sandblast the rims first. it is amazing what defects this can reveal. When you worlk/file on them, it changes the appearance of the surface, and the area needs blasting again to make the surface match the rest. Electro plated zinc finish is spot on for appearance, even...

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Steve's reply indicates the need to take the measurements from the rear end mounting face to the front of the ball, although the nature of the sliding fit of the driveshaft in the transmission means that little difference may not be of any real consequence. Just be sure to get the Universal joint pi...

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Mark, our Canadian sourced cars all have Kelsey wheels. I have never seen a Hayes wheel without a rolled outer edge to the felloe, either a 21" one or 23". Does the wheel you show Have a Hayes brand on it, perhaps in the well of the felloe or around the valve stem hole? If it is not branded Hayes, m...

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Mike, if the steam bending does as well as my attempt, I wish you luck. On a New Zealand tour I was given a wonderful visit to see a craftsman at work bending wheel felloes. Rather than steam, he boiled the hickory blanks in a section of roof gutter, fuelled by a wood kindling fire. It was a soft as...

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Larry, I wouldn't hold my breath while you wait for an American company to make "correct" tubes. They stopped making them years ago.Why would they start up again to fill a small niche in the market? There's cheap junk tubes which don't hold air, there's thick Blockley tubes which do hold air and hav...

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It is not necessary to fit a rim nut. It is one more thing to remember if you need to remove the rim and tyre for repair. If you use Dill dust covers, the nut is never required. A secondary consideration may be that if your tyre is run underinflated, a lean on the valve stem will indicate this for y...

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Ed, when you put the price in, you forgot to go to the Upper case for the dollar sign and it came out as a four.

Hope this helps.
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Rather than consider the ball bearing fan hub an upgrade, in this application it has an upside. It will be more forgiving of the extra belt tension needed to run the waterpump.

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Given a slow revving, low compression engine like a model T, what difference would an extra .005" in the ring gap make. What may be the manifestations of this? In the past I was concerned with too tight clearance but thought little of a bit wider ring gap.

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Given a slow revving, low compression engine like a model T, what difference would an extra .005" in the ring gap make. What may be the manifestations of this? In the past I was concerned with too tight clearance but thought little of a bit wider ring gap.

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Neither the yoke at the back end or the clevises at the front look like our Canadian sourced items. Are US rods different to ours?

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So, they are expecting vendors from all over the states to converge on Chickasha at 7am on Friday! Good luck wit that. There will be a line-up/queue somewheer the day before, perhaps just not at the showgrounds. If this is about avoiding hire charges for Thursday, they are doing no-one any favours. ...

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Frank has nailed the most obvious difference. All A model wheels have the ribs pressed outwards between the stud holes. These were added because of the propensity of T wire wheels cracking between the stud holes.

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Tim, play is usually due to wear in the pulley bushes and/or the shaft, both of which are available from the vendors. New bushes should not be a precision fit on a new shaft. There needs to be some clearance to allow oil to lubricate the bushes. The shaft is stepped so that it is screwed up firmly a...

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Photos please. There is a variety of fans, pulleys/shafts/mounting arms. The recommended fix will vary.

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Save the old top for someone preserving a barn fresh/patina car. Used fabric is scarcer than hens teeth.

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When I built my 1917 shooting brake, I put together parts of two frames to extend it to accommodate a KC Warford, leaving the drivetrain standard. The join was made between the running board supports, angled at 45 degrees and welded. Then an inside gusset plate was added between the running board su...

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If you have a farm machinery dealership/workshop nearby, they should be able to cut what you need from workshop supplies. Drive over in your T and you may even score a donation.

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Peter, the oversize need may be overcome by having an engine reconditioner fit K liners to the valve guides. These are then reamed to size in-situ. This is a common procedure in modern engine rebuilds

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Just for interest, my grit blaster was also a powder coater. The two are a common combination. He would not take in previously powder coated stuff for blasting because if ti was done properly in the first place, it was an absolute bear to remove. He would blast items which were hit with a blowtorch ...

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Art, you have it made. Standard 91 octane petrol here is around $2 per litre.

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That makes sense.
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That's really neat Bob. Are there laws governing the height or rear lamps in Washington? Here I could mount those to the top support arms to act as eye level brake lights. I love the red tourer. My 15 tourer was also red, a little more maroon than yours.

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Tom posts all the wonderful collections of old time photos under the moniker "Dollsdad"

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Tim, what is stupid about wanting to prevent one's loved ones from falling out of the car?

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And on the android phone from which I posted them! First time for something new. Just when I thought I was getting quite proficient posting photos. Anyway, the message is the same, genuine Schraeder branded bridge washers are about, with no raised ridge.

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I like the alloy machined seal caps with the O ring and modern lip seal on the axle. However, it is vital that the section of axle that the lip seal runs on is not damaged in any way, or the seal will not last long.

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Past posts have lamented the lack of decent reproduction bridge washers, there being a lack of raised ridge around the hole to more securely crush the tube. I removed these two assemblies from junk tubes from the barn fresh car I am working on. 20231124_181640.jpg These are the two Schraeder bridge ...

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Val, the non-availability of the clincher tyres was probably why your clincher rims became split rims, so that straight sided tyres could be fitted. It is the same scenario with 4.40X 23" clincher tyres going off the market that led to the creation of my split clincher rims.

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Tim, I use a stub axle and hub to take the wheels too. I do mine on the horizontal rather than in their normal plane, and I do the whole wheel all at the same time. i start at the valve hole and count spokes, spraying all from one angle, then repeat the same operation spraying on the other angle. Th...

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Previously I have used sections of a reverse gear bush to rebuild brass truss rod mountings where the spring leaf hanging from worn shackles wears a groove in the mounting bracket. Today I used another piece of the same bush to repair a broken bottom radiator outlet 20231123_153405.jpg The piece was...

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Val, normally it makes no sense to have straight sided tyres on clincher rims. Perhaps your rims were modified some time like these I have. I doubt they were manufactured that way. 4.40 x 23" straight sided tyres continued to be offered long after that size was deleted in clincher tyres, in Australi...

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.fit straight edged tyres to clincher rims? I've been working on the barn fresh tourer from Booboorowie. 20231005_105641.jpg It was fitted with 4.40 x 23" tyres three of which were straight sided. To get them on the rims they cut the rims!!!! 20231122_103146.jpg The cuts were made at one of the loos...

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The 21" Hayes wheels with which I am familiar differ from the 23" wheels, in that the outside edge of the felloe is rolled to the outside rather than the usual inside. A Ford rim will bolt up to it, but if the bolts are over tightened the Ridge on the inside diameter of the rim can snap on over the ...

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I thought the original poster was seeking a way to restrain a from passenger falling out of the car. A seat belt will surely do this, regardless of the way it is mounted and all the other engineering stuff.

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None of the Hayes wheels I have seen for a T model are that large. If it is branded Hayes perhaps it is for a bigger car.

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Are we talking 21" rims? As posted Chev rims have the valve stem hole much closer to the adjacent lug. This lug is slotted to drop down over the stud as the tyre/rim assembly is fitted to the felloe I am confused by your reference to Hayes wire wheels. Arwe they 21"? Are they assembled with spokes a...

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The failures on Z heads may be due to the inconsistent shape of the combustion chambers. Some gaskets fit well, others reveal work needed to match the chambers to the gasket. Prus heads seem to be far more precisely cast.

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The angle iron cross bar is the foundation of the child restraint seats we installed in the back seat of my 1924 tourer. We welded loops of 1/4" rod to the crossbar to take the seat mounting belts. My son's auto engineering mate suggested a separate steel flat bar from the angle iron mounting bolts ...

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The bands need adjustment when they no longer perform their task, ie they slip.If you can still back up a ramp, your reverse is doing OK. Forget measurements of pedal from the floor and relativities with the other pedals. These are almost certainly compromised by 100 years of operation. Instead, adj...

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There are detail differences in the pawl and the release handle which may be of particular interest to buyers with really early cars. Close up photos of these would help.

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Kevin, in NZ it will be te left side that leaks. Same here in Australia, because that is the lower side due to the camber in the road surface.

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15-16 but with updates. The windscreen has offset hinges to accommodate the later 1917 windscreen that is taller when folded.

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Kevin, your comment earlier that the felt seal hole was too big for the axle shaft probably indicates that the felt you installed was the one that goes in the relief in the hub. Sometimes the shoulder in the hub that retains this felt is so worn/damaged that it almost seems insignificant and its pur...

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I have three of those wrenches in my swap meet stocks. The square end for the diff plug is part of the forging process. It is not machined. As such, it is less than perfectly square and may well not be up to the task fir which is is intended. Hence they show little use at that end too. Allan from do...

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Paul, the outer edge of the driven plate forms part of the brake drum surface. It needs to be the same diameter as the brake drum to perform at its best. That replacement drum may need to be ground to remove that patch of heavy rust. It would be best to index the driven plate to be used, and grind t...

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It is worth remembering that Robinson screws are superior to Phillips screws. Both allow for easier centering of the driver, but the Robinson drive is far more robust and less likely to strip. This is recognised in power driven decking screws today. Screws which have to cut their own track in substr...

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The starter bendix keys with which I am familiar have the standard round bottom key. If you take a spare starter when you go to your local shop they could find one to fit.

Hope this helps.
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Eric may be on the money. I have seen similar installations. However, rather than heavier springs the mountings allow a longer spring, supposedly to improve the ride. The ones I have seen use an even longer spring than this one.

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What we really need is a comparison test between Bloggers, Youtubers and fart facers so we can get a handle on which may be the least useful.

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It does depend a bit on the tubes themselves. I store my old Olympics, folded and stowed in a carton, in my cellar which is at a constant 72 degrees.
Modern tubes don't do a very good job of holding air, so it is a moot point trying to store them anyway.

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