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Looking further, I see this on FordFix.

I hadn't ever heard of an aluminum cup before???

Sometimes it's nice to have a lazy day out in the shop without urgent projects. Today I rearranged the clutter a bit. lazy2.jpg The lighting on the Coupe reminded me of how bad the body panels were. I can't imagine trying to get them straight enough for black paint. lazy1.jpg I cleaned a few parts i...

Here is a look at what some wore fishing in Yellowstone and some just dressed casually. Grampa on the right.

I have no idea where this is located. Left hand drive might be a clue. I snagged the photo from the AACA site.
Rich

I agree that there is no chain drive happening. The rear end is larger than Ford so probably from another kind of truck. I see the running board supports so I must be a stock frame with an extension.
Rich

The windshield would be late '23, 1924-1925.

The bus at right is a 1913 Autobus De Dion Bouton I believe. The other bus radiator doesn't have sharp corners like most Packards. I'm not convinced but can't say what else it might be. Here is another '13 NY bus:

Thanks
Rich

I dug the box of my Model S model out again today. Here are some more pictures of it. It is 1/12th scale. I had my fun out of it far before completion but the study of it was enormous satisfaction. Models tent to bounce around and disassemble. Dust and stains have taken their toll but it's fun to di...

I thought this was interesting with so many folks in the T truck.

Thanks Perry. The good doctors here have kept me alive for 33 years and I hope for that many more. I'm almost 76. We all have to take our turn. Meanwhile, the forum is some of the best medicine going and I enjoy it almost every day. Thank you all for that. I got the taillight to work. The plugs have...

They made similar textured cardboard for late Fords and trucks. Some might be similar enough. Worth looking into.
Rich

Another ne're-do-well in a stripped-down T. I caused a lot of trouble like that before I was tamed by the good folks on this Forum. Just ask the Locals.
Thank You for all your kindnesses.
Rich

The cardboard has a nice texture like colonial grain top material. It is embossed in the cardboard itself. I wish someone reproduced it.

Speaking of wreckers, this was the boom on my YPC Bus when I bought it. It was not included in the purchase. Boom2.jpg Boom1.jpg It used a TT transmission driven by a Ford V8 transmission power takeoff behind the White trans. With both transmissions in compound, it drove at a snail's pace. The Wreck...

I'm glad you could use the plugs, Tad. I haven't gotten around to the Buick yet.
Rich

Jerry, the Buick has a '23 plate on it but could be a new '24 Model.

Here is another photo of an original. Not the best photo but it shows what was there.

I believe this is one of those modified for a digger Rich mentioned. Good for internal parts.

I felt good enough to do some work in the shop after my 2-week health break. The spare tire on the Coupe had lost air so I put on a good one. I left my reflector bar off as it makes changing tires more time consuming. These Riversides I got from Rich B. in the '60s are great spares. I wouldn't buy w...

From family album '22-'25:

The rust and yellow paint reminds me of the Buck Rake I bought as parts for my YPC Bus. Several surplus Busses were sold and converted to Buck Rakes by traveling craftsmen near the Dillon, MT. A boom was made to lift from the rear and steering and seating was turned and moved back. The frame was sho...

My thoughts too. Just a name often means tragedy.
Happy it's not.
Rich

Weren't those the greatest?
Thanks for showing it.
Rich

T see a 1914 in the license plate too but fuzzy and the photo may be then and not the car. I see brass support rods also.
Thanks for the fun comments.
Rich

NICE!
Rich

I don't recall seeing this one before. The mis-matched front fenders leave me curios to the year. Maybe '13 or earlier from the T at right.

Interesting car at left. Buick? Posed for the picture.
Rich

Great photos of an interesting chassis. I don't recognize it offhand. That rear end looks vaguely familiar.
Rich

While the restoration was a nice try, the truck was so inviting in the ambiance of Joe's old barn while it was rusty and charming. The smell of that era Liquid Wrench, oil and gas and dirt floor seemed warm and cozy. He did get it running and had his fun with it. I don't know why I find "before" muc...

That was a Nash Quad. Larry P. gave it to Joe and John and I helped break it loose from the ice and Joe took it home. He played with it until Bud C.'s father-in-law claimed it was one of two their family bought brand new. They restored it and drove it some until someone left water in it over the win...

I could jump into any of those and spend a week.
Thanks for throwing in the REO. #9
Rich
Still don't know where you find them all.

What fun is 3-D? That is a wonderful depiction for the information he was able to find. The counterbalanced crank, the breather on the left side of block, the tapered knobs on the spark and gas controls and some of the assumptions of exact shape were surprises. It is coming from the realm of the mod...

Not to be confused with the "Power Plus" Duo. Friedrick Carter, inventor of the Carter Pin patterned after the "Bobbie Pin", is shown here riding KD around the plant. KD found that by reversing the Guiderfluke armature, the tailings from the flufincrap hobbler formed the perfect pin shape. Substitut...

Thanks John. It's nice to hear you are enjoying these. I see there are folks viewing but often wonder. It's fun to do.
Rich

It's just a minor eructation from the jamocha infuser. Happens all the time.
The motorcycle photo is of the "power plus" twins on a "power plus" Indian twin. It may be Sally or Katie G.
Can't tell.
Thanks for posting the nice photos.
Rich

I have no doubt that the low geared Jeffery and Nash Quad four-wheel-drive and four-wheel-steer truck can back up and plow thru that drift. I've heard great stories about the YPC White trucks bucking such drifts back in the day. Much of it is the driver.
Great photo.
Rich

This is how I formed my Buick brake bands with Maple forms. Maybe this would be another idea.

Thanks Wayne. I was in the hospital for 9 days for a battery of tests. I have been lucky to survive a number of problems for 33 years but need to say no more here. Rich B. and I lived a few blocks from that spot on Main Street above Mackenzie Auto Parts for a time while attending ISU in the '60s, so...

What fun that must have been!
Thanks for posting it.
Rich
PS, I'm pleased you are using that profile icon. I have a larger framed one in the workroom.

It is great to see that. We had one in Pocatello in the '60s thar we let get away.
Rich

Thanks for posting that. It is great to see it.
Rich

Thanks for posting that. Like Rich said, that is Pocatello. Pocatello Electric is still there.
I have been away from my computer and am using a laptop today, so I won't be posting much tjll I get home.
Thanks,
Rich

Thank you, Rich, for remembering. And the same to you. You may remember, it was on St. Swithin's Day when the second explosion occurred. It wasn't so much leaving the gas on but using a torch to light the Birthday candles. KDshopp.jpg At any rate, KD was able to fit the new smiffinwhalp pins to the ...

I presume you are using a New Day or other brush type timer. Thus, no oil wanted.
With roller timers, I always wondered about the necessity of sealing out engine oil and then oiling it through the flip top oiler. That seemed to be an exercise in futility.

And then there was:

Thanks guys. I was pleased to use the low bushing to build up the fan pulley. In looking for something to make sleeves for the fan shaft, the only thing in the shop close to the right size was an old, rusty T wrist pin. It makes me chuckle to reuse Ford parts to repair things. They are good material...

It's a great truck! That reminds me, I need to get new wood and hard rubber for my Maxwell rear wheels.
Rich

This brass fan pulley had lost its front flange and worn paper thin where the crown should be. I thought about wrapping some brass sheet around it and then found that a used slow speed trans drum bushing was nearly perfect to fit there. Pullee1.jpg By cutting the bushing in half and notching the end...

Those lessons hard leaned are better remembered. My quandary is how much to help. Too little help and one may lose interest. But doing everything for someone doesn't always give them confidence and knowledge. Alex said he wished he had spent more time with his Dad on the T but was too busy with othe...

Several guys told me I needed to help Alex get his T going. His Dad had restored it a few times and now it was his. I have not been successful at diagnosing problems I didn't create myself. I resisted and Alex did get the car down to our car show. It would not stay running when it was time to leave....

See if this answers some of the question.
http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/59 ... 1458201406

I'm not sure what make the truck is. I believe this is the same one.

Thomas Mills - A Family Tradition Since 1836." "Somerset County, Pennsylvania".

Some folks like 16" wheels on their Model A too. It's a choice.
Rich

They were very slopy at the factory when it came to brazing. It didn't affect the quality of the product.
http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/33 ... 1382190963
http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/59 ... 1454087826

You are to be commended Mark. Some Model Ts are not allowed to develop a charm of their own like that one.
It looks wonderful.
Thanks
Rich

All of that helps.
Thanks
I did find a drawing of the fan blade on the "Henry Ford" site but no pulleys.
Rich

I think we discussed this, and someone knew but I can't find it. My best one has .040 difference between center and edges.
If anyone knows or can find those posts, I would appreciate hearing.
Thanks in advance,
Rich

There may not be another one like it. Thanks for bringing it here. My thought is that it is a suicide door Coupe cowl with a late twenties' roadster rear half grafted onto it. With no seams in the back section and the reshaped doorway some time was spent on that. Much of the fun has already been had...

Some fan shaft work today. This end had been ravaged by some wrenches. I was able to pound back most of the damage to a size that the wrench would work on now. FanShftEnd.jpg I found this shaft was bent when trying to remove it. It wouldn't come out of the pulley. It was easy to straighten enough so...

Probably variations of the same Porto-Blue base color, Richard. porto-Blue.jpg Getting Port=o=potties to the meet is one of several major efforts involved with making this happen. Time and evolution have made the simplest tasks more and more convoluted. I'm sure that artificial intelligence will sim...

Now that I can tell you is an International. About 1908.

Here is a video of it running.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_TfW5CvoJs

Two more finds from the meet. First, a pair plus 2 of H lenes in the box. I'm sure I have seen these but having them is great. Hlenz.jpg Second, A brass fan bub that I think I can silver solder some flat brass to build it back to the standard crown. I'll try to do it without removing the blades as t...

That is what I should do with my '35. I can't seem to get any work on it and that might be simpler.
It is nice execution of design and very well done.
Rich

I assume it is the standard steel timer, Tiger type. I have found several that don't have insulation of the terminals where they pass through the timer shell. Oil with small amounts of small metal shavings collect there and short out one terminal giving a constant buzz. Simply clean out around those...

I don't think it is a REO. Most ones I see of that era had High-wheeler wheels and smaller hubs (caps). The drive sprocket is similar but larger. I may be wrong. I don't know what it might be but there are some here who might.
Thanks for posting it.
Rich

The damage may well have been inflicted by Skeezix Hoffellpuke. This shows devastation to the rear hub of his gyroscopede not more than a couple of days after.

Don't tell him where you heard it.
Rich

When I built the trunk rack for the '09, I wasn't ready to develop the hinged links for raising and lowering it. I got tired of changing separate links for Up and Down. This design has an offset in the upper link which provides for a better-looking arrangement when up. The different distances betwee...

Lange is a new one on me. I can't find much on the net except this, but it is listed in the "Trucking" book. Wikipedia lists it as Lange Motor Truck (1911–1931) A faint PENNA keystone appears on the license plate which agrees with the Carnegie, PA on the sideboard. Lange.jpg Always expanding our kno...

I can't see anything in the first photo that would pin down the date. These photos appeared on fordfix from the Gilmore Museum along with this info: Gilmore9a.jpg Gilmore9b.jpg "In the loft of one of the many buildings at the Gilmore is Model T Ford serial number 131. This is a two lever, water pump...

They made several types of these but I haven't seen this one before. It is cast aluminum I believe.

A threaded piece will have to be removed from the elbow or elbow removed.

$55 plus shipping.

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Actually, there are two stories, Herb. One concerns the rumored Lock Nest Monster of Larkvonnet Bay. It appeared to a few during the 7th semianal Regatta, rising to the surface and chewing on several of the participating vessel's hulls. Those seeing it were criticized for too many hours at Ernie's t...

That is nice to hear. As I said, it would be nice to see more good pictures.
Rich

Thanks for the speculation. I am trying to decide if I need another project. It's in a car that doesn't attract me but might be worth it for the head and some of the parts. I need to go and see it. If not, I'll pass the information on in case someone else is interested.
Rich

My Daughter had this picture of us leaving in our 1925 Tudor. I had not included it in the group of Ts. Sally23.jpg Loading up the parts and getting the cars back takes up the late afternoon. Joy does the same with her paraphernalia as one of the meet organizers. Monday is a rest day. It's nice we h...

Thanks, I will try to get some more pictures of it.
Rich

I can't seem to find the make or model of this overhead setup. Most rockers are on shared shafts rather than separate standoffs.

I don't see a outlet to the radfiator either.

Curious.
Rich

As for the store in West Yellowstone, this is it in 1908 as first built. Eagles1.jpg Here it is prior to 1927. Winters were quite severe and there was little to no traffic through at the worst of it. Eagles2.jpg The beginning of the new structure can be seen at left in 1927. Eagles was the local Pos...

I believe the correct brackets have a bend at the bottom to screw to the wood.

Part of it is the recipe for vanadium cream cheese. Please leave out the anchovies.

Then the skies opened up and did their thing.

The "09" is perfect for these trips. It shows how driving was then, but my later parts keep me from destroying parts that can't be replaced. It truly is the best of both worlds for us. So many folks showed interest.
Rich

Ultimately, getting home is the final satisfaction. The last day has mixed feelings of things being over and the last ride. We had no major problems and the car performed as good as any T I have driven. At 75 I am pleased as can be. The sounds and smells of the forest are incredible to drive through...

Some things are better left to our good memories.
We leave for home today. The camera battery is gone but there should be some good photos to post later.
Wish us luck.

Rich

Exquisite lighting and nice composition.
Thanks
Rich

Actually, we are away more than home for the next few weeks, so we might not have been there. Our store has changed drastically too. Making a buck is their goal, not carrying on a long tradition. They are keeping the building which is on the register of Historical Places rather than tearing it down ...

Sorry it didn't work out David. Someday we will meet. We reminisced with relatives about the old days in Yellowstone this weekend. Our store Grandpa started in 1908 has new owners now so I can talk about it without it being an endorsement for it. Wonderful memories from my childhood still race throu...

No problem, Art. I'll try to get some good ones. Kevin, I hoped our paths would cross. Maybe still. My time isn't my own, so I can't make a plan. I'm having trouble keeping what I type on this setup so I will limit my posts until I get Home. Rainy this morning but some driving and pictures later. Rich

FWIW, I scoured my '14 frame and found only an "S" on the front cross member.
Rich

I had to jack the car to start it yesterday. The gravel sloped and the T slid sideways twice after starting and off the jack. About 40 degrees and it did start after a few cranks. We went into Old Faithful, about 57 miles. I got 22.3 mpg and hit 37 mph at one speed sign. The traffic was not bad, and...

Having them makes life pretty wonderful. I have enjoyed mine for nearly 50 years in one form or another. Its value increases much faster than my Model Ts.
Rich

Update. Dan, you were right about "bragging on my T" The group wanted to see it start. First, the tickler stuck and gas flowed freely from the carb. Then it would fire a few times and stall. I trained an assistant to pull the spark down, but it wouldn't stay running until I gave out. After showing o...

I have forgotten already but think it was an L4. I know you and others can get more out of NH's than I have but I enjoyed them being trouble free. I was afraid of brass carbs but now have an ultrasonic cleaner and plan to rework some to try out. There are some great roads here in the trees to drive ...

It looks perfect! Thanks for posting it.
Rich

HAPPY BIRTHDAY DAREK. I always love your posts.
Rich

We left for Yellowstone yesterday. The cool weather was perfect for the T but chilly for us. My fascination for the 5-ball Kingston had me thinking we were going faster and smoother than ever before. When we climbed a hill in high that we had never been able to before, I was convinced this is th e b...

I believe it is an Overland engine. This is a similar year. It has a distributor on the other side. The Starter?/generator is the same shape. OvrlandQ.jpg This should be a good site for help: https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=226b73ad7ac6876eJmltdHM9MTY4NzIxOTIwMCZpZ3VpZD0yOTY4Njc3My05MThmLTYzMWYtMDZjY...

There is a nice variety of trucks here. Some old, some not so:
https://forums.aaca.org/topic/398897-at ... cungie-pa/

The Packard over the edge after possibly hitting the early T with accessory cowl is interesting. We talked about those cowls here:
http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/70 ... 1513458570
http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/70 ... 1486096970

It would be wonderful to see some nice photos. Maybe the new owners will show some. I enjoyed what I saw and hear of them here. Thanks for all the input.
Rich

There were over 250 cars (maybe 300) at the show despite the clouds. The ones I showed were the only early cars except for several Model As. This was exceptional. Perhaps the weather kept folks from doing other things and came out to the show. There were lots of later cars, trucks and hot rods. We o...

Thanks Tad. Our friend Joe brought his 1908 REO... 23SW2.jpg and his 1903 Rambler and 1928 Buick. 23SW3.jpg Norm brought his 1926 Buick. We used to travel 1000+ miles a year around Montana in it and my Speedster each Summer. 23SW4.jpg I was pleased to trade my Harley transmission for two Hayes wire ...

1926 Touring

1927 Touring

This marvelous Model T dump truck also showed up for sale. It did not sell. The owner expected it to run but only one coil would buzz.

Rumor was it helped build Hoover Dam.

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