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Eric

Here is a sketch of factory dimensions for the chassis only on the Improved Car, this may help some.

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This flow chart has been posted before. Shows the G is rather poor at velocity. Holley NH is better choice for performance.

SOLD. Thanks MTFCA Headed to Luray and can bring along this '27 complete engine, serial 1414xxx , rebuilt new JM drums, magneto, bored, Stipe cam, alum pistons. Has lots of miles but still a good running motor. Will only load and bring to Luray swap meet May 13-14 IF someone will buy it .....gotta m...

ENGINE SOLD. Thanks MTFCA up and want to know if anyone is interested in a 1927 complete engine, running. New trans drums, all rebuilt, block, pistons, Stipe cam, lots of miles on it, but still was running good. Must move... Asking $2500 ..Let's Make A $Deal! Don't want to load unless someone is loo...

That Ford F is an HN Holley design, that Ford made under license from Holley, during the twenties for a time Holley could not keep up production, so Ford made these. Same parts as the NH. Image 5-6-22 at 9.50 PM.jpeg Here is a tidbit, note the comments that Ford is using the New Holley NH on all pr...

Believe this sketch has been reviewed and should be correct for the parts of those side lamps to date them.

And, the original F.A system for battery start included a FUSE in that Yellow wire! Don't know why it wasn't kept in the circuit for later Ts. Guess Henry wanted to save a few pennies, or else felt anyone who wanted a battery in his magneto Ford to fend for themselves :lol: IMG_4149 (900x505) (850x...

Hank

Well stated

Pulled these photos off the forum in the past. And I've experienced the amp wire burning in my first T, as teen. No fun to see smoke coming from behind the dash!

Try Birdhaven, got a closed spool version in Jan. Or try Chaffin''s they make a neat cartridge type.

The 'best' is likely nearest the battery voltage source, so put it on the yellow wire coming off the foot button starter switch. Or the 'best' for handy use is on that big yellow wire, but at the terminal block. That way you can just take apart the fuse holder, don't have to remove the fuse, just s...

Eric

Think the difference is the year, believe the solid bar type is early, had this solid type on my Nov. '25 Improved Car runabout pick-up. Guess the later pressed steel version saved some cost.

For fasteners. Once you have the splash shields in place, anchored to the front and rear fenders, and running boards you add fasteners. That way the splash shields are 'fitted' to the body gap, and align best, there will be some gap, but push or pull in on the top of the shield to get the best posi...

Beginning the engine swap…just a few more parts to remove before the lift.

If a new sediment bulb , the newer pipe threads don’t always align when tightened up , don’t over torque , use sealer and set the bowl so the outlet heads in the direction of the carb if you can!

As Terry posted , easy to take apart. If the spring is rusted use a hardware store replacement. If the insulator disc is bad, source new from any single contact lamp socket. Be sure to insulate that hot wire, the lamp housing is ground.

Bruce Concrete block is subject to fracture, with a load, or even a narrow load band like the little foot of a jack stand. The block seems dense but it is really porous substrate. Recommended not to use for automotive support. Accidents have been reported. Here is one nice report, lucky no accident...

Same here, the NOCO little one on the left is supposed to work on 6v, but never has. I mostly use the center one, works great! The unit on the right is sold for the Optima Red Tops, and I like it too, works good. All are 6v-12v switchable. BTY, I don't leave them on the battery for extended times, ...

Jim

That's a nice offer, someone hopefully will have a use. Just for those that don't know this rear accessory brake unit from the 1970's, here is the adv.

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Generally, the answer is No. All the 50 states have various title laws, some don't even give titles. When you have another's title to transfer to your name, the old title is surrendered. Doubt any state office of motor vehicles keeps that paper, or scans to a data base. There are websites where you ...

Bruce That's a fair concern, depends on skill of body shop and type of body rotisserie they have. Most times using those the doors are off, so you should consult the shop. For me, easier to build a strong wood body dolly, on wheels. Fastened body to it at the body mount points, on all metal '26 runa...

Is it just me, or does the "NO" really appear to be "NC"??? See the little "hook" in the 1 o'clock position of the C/O? Capture.JPG Jerry To me, that is indeed a 'C' . Just a guess, but perhaps the mechanic who exchanged that later '13 block for the busted serial of an '11 made those letter notatio...

Likely a rare occurrence, but your hub is toast now, so find a good replacement. Check it carefully for any cracks too! Here is older post of same thing happening, and my add to it, as on tour in TN years ago, same thing but none could diagnose. Thought it was the rear end, took that apart on the t...

Go with your painter's recommendations. Safe easy way for him to paint all the body areas. Yes, he will use the body mounting brackets to secure the body to the rotating frame. When you get the painted body back, put it right away on the chassis frame. Wouldn't use the current rigged up jack stands...

Not too unusual to have that 'extra' shut-off on the Improved Car. Have one on my touring, reason is sometimes the original cowl tank mounted sediment bulb valve is worn, and can't do a pristine job of closing off and preventing leaks there. So......added the good shutoff that works. Simple solutio...

Believe that is this model…pretty neat!

I do have that Service Manual. It seems odd to me that there are many different ways to do this. I'll have to try this other way. I don't know why I'm struggling with something that is probably so easy....... Maybe these photos will help to envision the brake cam, how it expands the shoes, the posi...

The Service Manual gives good instruction, but sometimes parts like brake cam and shoes are worn. Most times the Service way works, but this thread gives a variation for setting the parking brake rods. Good description, maybe give it a try. https://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/506218/508383.html?14...

Dan. I have a 1926 Holley NH. What type of carburetor is the text in your post referring to? I can’t see the carburetor well enough to see what type it is, but I don’t think a Holley NH has a “spray needle clamp nut”. Jim Patrick 8F5859E8-0B2B-45CC-A5D2-2CA2B3AEF651.jpeg Jim Just wanted to follow u...

Scroll down to Sat. Sept 17 in the thread below .
Terry Woods shows details of that one year only high volume iron Ford intake.

BTY, saw one purchased at Chickasha, was among others in a pile, but keen eyes picked it up!

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Jim Only way to know if a dealer would ‘lease’ your car is ask. Fee would be negotiated. Ones that have antique cars normally are dealership owned. Guess your expenses would be to show evidence of your insurances for loss or liability in case someone got hurt around your car. My experience (didn’t o...

Al It was common for Ford to sell only the cylinder (block) for service use, these bare blocks were un-stamped. Only finished complete power plants were serial number stamped after factory assembly and testing. Your pre ‘26 block was likely a replacement used to rebuild an owners engine, hence no nu...

Andy

From the website on the swap. Note, some like me arrive Thurs afternoon and partial set up, but go to dinner early, don’t expect much activity on Thurs but if weather is good, vendors set out stuff and trades happen.

A couple of companies made replacement blocks in the T time period. Don't know if their pattern mold lines/marks would be the same as the factory's. And I don't know if any of them included any "improvements" to the Ford cast blocks (more robust bracing, etc.). Here is one aftermarket block, by IPC...

Al, FYI, I have a Model T engine with a 25S cast date that has no serial number on the boss but does have the Ford Script and USA that is halfway on the boss and covered by the water outlet. (See photos below) IMG_1369.JPG IMG_1377.JPGIMG_1386.JPG Dom Your block is genuine Ford. Was a 'block only" ...

Or you could try to find an original Aermore hand control for the dash

Does anyone know if the improved vehicles (1926/1927) bumper option had both a split bumper and full bumper for the rear? It appears to me that the touring had a full bumper like the front. However, perhaps the coupes and runabouts had bumperettes, that is two end bumpers with the spare tire betwee...

Oh yes, I think it is this: Holley-NH-Late-Spray-needle-clamp-nut.jpg Your carb is pictured in that 1925 service bulletin, yours has the later 1926 combo needle and choke adj so the needle valve has the brass collar that the twist sleeve mounts on. To keep the needle adjustment from screwing in or ...

My personal experience that’s been that 3/4 to 1 turn open is seems to work well on a brand new start up as long as everything has been set up right. I have found that 1-1/2 to 1-3/4 seems to be too rich for a start up for my rebuilds. I used to set them that way but found that just a 1/4 to 1/2 tu...

Craig, for sure one thing is in the last 50 years a lot has changed to make Model T owning more fun. Lots of new reproduction parts, and lots of helpful vendors, plus the advent of the internet to provide more information. The I-Timer for me is one of those changes that have made my T'ing more fun. ...

"Graphite Spring Paint (Also called Slip-Paint)", described as graphite dry film lubricate at $39.95 call "Leaf Spring Paint", described as a black graphite alkyd based lubricating paint. It lists for $18.95 a quart. Which is the better lubricate?” Either should do the job nicely, or you can make yo...

The factory used graphite flakes in a thinned black paint and each leaf covered the full length. Surviving leafs pulled apart will still retain some of that dry sheen.

Modern graphite paint like Slip paint and Easy Glide is a good substitute for such a dry lubricant .

Lock washers were originally used many places on the T.

Among those are under the Bendix cover screws, under hex nuts around the crankcase to block bolts after late 1924 when cotters were omitted there, at the radius rods, under the bar mounted headlamp buckets late ‘26 and a few more places am sure!

“Also....I see some bearing sets that are sold without the bearings being threaded. Why? “. For economy reasons, but cheaper is never better. Use threaded Timken cone bearings, sure they cost, but will last and your front wheel steering and elimination of a ‘death wobble’ is rather important! Some ...

Model A outer are smooth in the race that fits to the smooth spindle area. Model T are different , the outer spindle is threaded, so the outer bearing is also threaded, left hand on right spindle, right hand thread on left spindle. That threaded bearing is turned to provide the bearing firmness, so ...

For those who use compression collar on copper line, snugged in the nut… here is another fracture causing carb leak. Failure after quite a few years, the crimp to the copper line by that compression collar ‘done it in’

Lots of vibration on the Ford.

Have found heavy oil like 600w gear oil better as less can sling past the felt seal, clings well to the brass bushing surface too.

Here is older post, with sketch and my how-to to bend the steel brake line. Easy hand bend, large radius is used.

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Info on up coming auction: From: Bill Howe <dosselectric@yahoo.com> Mon, 04 Apr 2022 Subject: Model T Auction== Hello, This email is to inform you of the auction of the estate of the late Stan Howe an avid Model T collector in Montana. Stan was a musician and an auctioneer who passed away last year....

Don’t need to send photo, title, info or other requirements.

Just call Steve @ number listed in adv.

Might want to just have the machine shop do the bushing reaming and the bushing face reaming too to fit the axle yoke. A facing tool is used to thin the upper surfaces to make sure snug contact with smooth turning in the axle yoke. Spindle reamer on top, note the narrow pilot end to start into the b...

Larry The sockets for side curtain fasteners used on the '26-27. Mounted to body holes and to top iron holes to receive the pushbutton fasteners. Sockets ( p/n A24562 Female) were covered openings with spring 'door'. The fasteners (p/n A24566 Male) have pushbutton 'grippers' that hang inside the rim...

Bought the grey smoothie blems from Coker. These are going on the '12 project that is a replica of a little T pickup used at the turn of the century in a nearby town. So, parts and pieces destined to have 'patina', the grey blems suit the need. None of the tire casing seemed out of sort, just color...

As a result of watching I'm interested to know if 'Stop' doesn't really mean it in the U.S.? Luke I suppose it does. My take is make a safe stop as desired, after apprising conditions, to avoid any accident or cause of one. The turn on the county road is from that stop sign on a private road, so us...

When you take off the cap by removing those two screws you'll find fiber insulation washers on both sides of the terminal posts. Plus, a very important small fiber washer that insulates the 'hole' in the foot switch plate. That one is shown at the base of the post threads in the photo below. You can...

Mark Yes the gauge below the switch plate is one of John Regan’s mag speedometers. Like ‘em, have installed on all my Fords. Dave The plastic bracket on the steering wheel spider is mount for turn signal control. Bicycle type, unit was off for watch battery replacement And the day was cold for us, n...

Thanks Mark That brace was made by ARG, in Birmingham AL. Find these mostly in the south. Did buy one at Chickasha last week, but a friend wanted it, so let him have it. They are cool with the solid bar bent over the headlamp shells, and forged mounts that go in place of two of the fender rivets tha...

Neighbor Richard took this video as I drove to our weekly 'old guys' meeting. Was a rather cold day this Feb. too. We don't work on cars, but just gather each Wednesday morning for a couple of hours of jawbone on most any topic. ;) Drove Nellie , the '23 cutoff. So he posted his video on YouTube. Y...

I didn't realize they continued with the modern pinion kit - I'm assuming F.P.'s design ? Yes, same design, the std one works best for me, the adj. just has washers to space out the pinion gear, no interest keeping the gear spaced away from the tapered end of the driveshaft. Unit from Birdhaven cam...

With my view, the Thursday line up and buying and meeting was the most fun, since all were together in several lines prior to entering the fairgrounds. Once inside on Friday, the real attendance of many vendors from years past is diminishing. The buildings were just about vacant. The other fields w...

Might not be part of your issue, but having installed several modern pinion bearings, had to check and re-check any interference of the locking collar. On some driveshaft tubes, there are spuds of weld that can strike the locking collar set screw. At times had to grind smooth the inner tube at that...

Or call Birdhaven, early this year got a closed spool modern bearing, was in stock. Sent them a core, but got the new part fast. They have the bump out early ones too.

Interesting Dan

On my visit to your shop last week didn’t get to see that tool.

Are You Sure?

Seems I spy the removed hogshead on that fishing trip.

Best advise is check upper tank temp and lower metal return pipe to measure differential. After normal run, stop and idle motor to low rpm’s. Measure with electronic laser digital thermometer. Should be 65-75 degrees F difference. A Motometer isn’t to be dipped into the heated coolant, the probe is ...

Most all of those accessory hub covers came with special hub caps to secure, some fit ok with std. Ford hub caps. Try by test fit. Covers were made for other cars like Chevy. On this hub cover, found by itself, had to modify the opening of the hub cover, and then an accessory cap pinched it tight s...

Thanks Tim

Lugs nuts in the mail to you.

Dan

Bruce Your first post was to 'restore' with quotes. Took that as you may have wanted to do it yourself to a limited quality. Now if you want 'show car', then locate a high-quality plating shop that specializes in auto parts. They know the stuff. The cost won't be low, as repairs are needed on yours....

Have 14 used wire wheel nuts, plus a locking nut too. Just pay flat-rate small box postage of $9.45 if you want them.

Email me : tmodelman AT comcast DOT net with your mailing address.

Here is a chart with the differences of the clincher rim sizes for those tires. Clincher rims sizes (2).jpg Today we have 'oversize' 31"x4" tires, from all the new clincher tire companies, they are really 31" in outer diameter, unlike the true 30 x 3 1/2 of early days. IMG_1208 (640x372).jpg K07268....

The original nickel plate is in overall good shape. The tiny bumps and bruises are just character of age. Would just lovely hand polish this shell and replace the fabric welting. My go - to liquid metal polish found useful on nickel is Noxon. Others will chime in on other brands of metal polishes.

Maybe no best, but easy. China made wireless unit. Mount for bike handle fits spider. Rear lamp offers turn and hazard. Since most rear ends happen with accidents, having a rear signal is nice, in addition to hand signals too! If your state allows only rear signals, some require front too....but in...

Been used as a trailer chassis after hard long time, that is reason for frame cracks, although cracks on the pan hangers occurred with hard use or missing wood engine blocks in the frame rail. The front axle is reversed, and has the remains of a wooden bar for a trailer tongue. The pan is a 3-dip, ...

Correct John, and here is comparisons to the earlier heat stove pipes.

The late pipe is recessed at the upper side to clear the new combo choke and carb adj. rod with the universal joint.

That new assembly was shown in the July 1925 Service Bulletin.

Have disassembled a few drive shafts where the original soild rivet pins fell out in two or three pieces. That of course after untold decades of use.

A hollow roll pin there wouldn’t begin to last the constant reversing torque forces of all the braking and power applied.

Haven't used another system other than the Ford wood blocks and proper bolts to secure the top flange and the long bolt to keep the ear from spreading.....but if you want to re-engineer Henry, here is a sketch.

Ford way....

I remember the point about dealership applied striping, perhaps it was just the open cars. While possible, a well equipped dealer with a spray paint shop and skilled painters could have pin striped Fords, at an extra dealer applied cost. But it is pretty clear from existing original late Improved o...

Agree, stripes on closed cars finish them off to me. Nice job! Ford factory striped the closed cars, here is the info from Service Bulletin, and of a factory assembly line '25 coupe, note that the stripe runs across the cowl too! The Improved car didn't have the stripe over the cowl, guess they kne...

Me too! Ordered T parts since 1964 and Model A parts in 1969. Tires, brakes, engine parts like rebabbitted rods, gasket sets, all sorts of stuff. For the 31 A ordered a rebuilt speedometer, round not the early oval one, but received a 490 Model T NOS! Of course I didn’t send it back. And got to visi...

Haven't a drawing or part replacement, but here is a pic of what that front frame mount looks like.

Believe that lining is Custom Friction, bonded Kevlar sheet to the underlayment, prior to the development of woven Kevlar in use today.

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The recessed new style clamp was used beginning with the 1924 model year, which was late in calendar year 1923.

After paint or powder coat, be sure channel is cleared, then silicone paste is the way to butter that strip edge to pull it in place.

Follow Ford Service on steering overhaul. Pack that case as you smear each gear with grease. Lube the main pinion shaft that sticks thru the gear case cover too with grease , that’s a bearing surface.

I’d like to show that historic patina and yet show its best side. Like John posted, they now have original historic patina! Maybe rub with a wax, Johnson's floor wax, that would give them a minor sheen and protect. Those panels aren't original Ford cardboard panels, and tacks that way aren't stock ...

2021 was still a good swap, lots of T parts there, and the small venue makes searching out parts a breeze compared to Hershey! I'll be there for 2022 and will enjoy it again. 2021 pics, prior to opening day, of just the huge line up to get into the swap spaces to set up at the 4pm opening time IMG_...

Gas line clip on my ‘13 frame. Square head bolt, square head nut under, bolt shank has cotter.

Is that a shadow?

Or has the tube ballooned out his left front tire

Hub cap wrench. The flat thingy with the holes for cap, axle bearing cone, nut rear axle nut or drain plug, the universal tool for the universal car

You can get used for $2 or new reproductions from Lang’s for $6.45 plus shipping.

King Bolt appears to be self made from a piece of hexagon steel IMO, wouldn’t trust that part as being properly hardened for that important part, any failure risks damages. If it drills easy as you hope just to make oiler hole passage, the it’s not hardened and drilling makes it weak for the purpos...

My ‘23 has aspiring upper class distinction……..

Won’t find any restrictions in fuel use for the T’s factory 90 day warrenty ;) But….All the Ford Owners manuals say to use gasoline. However, Henry wouldn’t frown on that fuel. In the 30’s he recycled coke byproducts from his huge blast furnaces to provide this alternative auto fuel to citizens of D...

need are ideas on how best to do this Use two wrenches, with long handles, a 10 or 12 inch pipe wrenches or long handle monkey wrench can work. Place one low, crosswise tighten. Place the other vertical under the foot pedal. Hold the lower tightly, so it won’t move, so pedal stem is held in rearwar...

In most old photos of the three pedals (clutch, reverse and brake) they are even with eachother when in the up position

Jim

The pedals were never intended to be even with each other. Any photo you saw like that was out of focus

For the 26-27 cars except the Fordor and the Chassis only. The letters identified the mfg of the bracket but don’t know that supplier to Ford.

As a teen, I set new points by adjusting tension on the vibrator spring, and looked for a hot spark. The buzz sounds didn't seem important as long as the coil buzzed! So sight is what I used, and a high or low frequency buzz didn't matter. Back in the day, if the owner read his "Ford Instruction Boo...

Your methods are the way to adjust. Sometimes it takes a couple tries. For the emergency/parking brakes, do like the Service Manual states @ para. 75, on jack stands, rear end up off ground, you can’t set these parking brakes with the drive line in power, they can’t stop with the T in gear. Normally...

You are correct.

Here is an earlier post on that subject.

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In fact I run the larger size cups on the rear axle Hyatts to make greasing go quicker. Bob You can sell those by the pound! Golly boxes of 'em! Here is a larger cap size for more grease, it has the 1/8" pipe thread of course. Put one on the steering column bushing too, can't have too much grease o...

Might be that pair of rods could be used for this? Just guessing.

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If the pipe thread fits, sure. There is lots of space for the larger cup size at both places.

In fact I run the larger size cups on the rear axle Hyatts to make greasing go quicker. Two full caps instead of three or four little stock ones!

That would be the '00' size grease (or dope) cup. 1" case for holding 1/2 oz. The '1' is used on the universal joint. Lots of cars used these, just generic. These are Empress brand, the most famous. The ratchet type were spec'd by Ford for the Fordson and TT, to keep the cups from twisting off from ...

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