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How's about them E & J 20's on that speedster !!!!!

Sam Bonar has an early ‘25 touring which has two curtain lights in back.

Thanks, Ill look him up.

Ford did not use packing crates, but he probably DID use what is called a Linderman Machine . This takes small pieces of wood, and edges them so they can all be glued together into usable wood boards. The reason I know this is that the Franklin Automobile Co, used a Linderman machine in their production, as I have found it called out several times...

3rd generation here. Originally purchased by my grandfather in the early 50’s.
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I found 29 more photos ready to go, most with their captions already in place when I stumbled across this reply from R.E.:

Vernon, I like the way your brain works. That thinking makes...

The larger fender mounting square bolt holes came well before the the forged running board supports were changed in 1921, perhaps with the crowned fenders in 1917.

Allan from down under.

The strip of thin steel rolled into a ring is not the best gland. The split allows them to warp and dislodge when the exhaust heats them. I have found a number of them in all sorts of shape, especially at the rear exhaust port. A far superior gland ring can be made from an appropriately sized piece of exhaust pipe. Just cut them off with a chop...

All

Thanks for your helpful suggestions, it came apart in 2 hours and a torch was needed on a few stubborn pieces. Side note it all fits in a 2018 VW Atlas…..

Herb I, Personally, I have always considered the earlier torpedo roadsters to be 1911 models. However many people want their cars to be earlier than the traditional model year considers them to be. So along with the 1908 model Ts, and all the numerous 1909s that were built during the even then called 1910 model year? I just grin and bear it while...

Here is my opinion. The two very best craftsmen with a huge amount of experience working on these cars is the father-son team of Mark and AJ Eyre in Battle Creek MI. Mark has restored 60+ Ts, with multiple AACA Grand National Senior, and National awards, a Zenith nomination and five Stynoski wins under his belt. Cars he's restored have won at...

I don't feel like checking my old articles, but as I recall the thickness of all the boards is 13/16 not 3/4 . A question I've always wondered about is why someone with metal working experience hasn't made a roller to convert the later style metal bed strips to the correct style used in 1925.

Yes, you stated 13/16 on March 30, 2011. Don't you...

What is the symbol on the door? Can anyone see clear enough to identify it?

Here’s a thread showing mine

That’s what the cowl section on mine looks like

FYI
Comments?
Paraell post-- similiar questions?

Maybe Not!

Bottom picture. Steering column support bracket started in 24. Windshield wiper and rear view mirror available starting in September 24. I'm leaning to its a 25.

Just for interest here's a UK Morris Traveller, built 1969, which I bought earlier this year. The car came complete with starting handle having been left in a barn for 26 years!

I have wondered where that car went! Maybe I heard something at some point some years back, but forgot. I had heard it found a great home, and it seems that is right.

Follow Dan's advice and use the suggested 3/4 from the frame as a guide only. Then fit the hood. Now you can check the fit of the hood. The former can be moved about on the firewall until you get the best fit for the hood. Once you have that, fix the former in that position. The hood is not adjustable, the radiator position likewise, so moving the...

Thrust washers are about 1/4” thick if close to that it’s time to open it up. Ring gear to pinion clearance is.010 +/- .002 so if you have .025 or more then it’s worth a look. Best is to check these when a rebuild is done and write it down for reference in the future.
Craig.

An interesting piece of what was or was to be a tractor! It reminds me of the time my dad told me of the time he made a tractor out of a Buick from probably the 1920’s. He remodeled a transmission from a “Gray” tractor, and needed a governor, so he fitted one on the Buick engine from another engine of some sort. Then he mounted a hay sweep on it...

Folks - re-read the original post.

He's asking about the spur at the bottom of the key, not the hole.

Personally, I think someone filed the key to make that spur for their own purposes.

Sunnen hone.

I don't think anybody really knows just how many of the early Ts were two lever/two pedal. A lot of them were upgraded soon after the factory changed. Certainly, less than one thousand were manufactured with the two lever/two pedal system. Two lever cars I believe went somewhat beyond serial number 800, however early serial number 900s were...

My opinion is probably not popular but I do the bolts in the top not the sides, with springs, I don't cotter pin I use longer bolts & double nut
them. My thought is that the pan is the fixture that holds the fourth main inline with the crank & using the pan as a frame crossmember is
not beneficial to doing that! The question is do model T...

All,

I have posted a wanted ad in the parts section. I think this is the best route forward.

Thanks for all the input.

Scott

Web link to his eBay store.

www.ebay.com/str/modelt2001

We had a couple of T’s from Georgia’s MTFCA chapter, the Southern Peach T’s, there.

When I put the New Day on my T it was doing the Hula. I ordered two brass shields and cut the middle out to fit over the modern seal. The brass shields act as a shim to bring the timer a little away from the cover, then my New Day stopped doing the Hula.

Paul shins video on cell phone installation in a Model. A. Model T installation is the same, just reverse the wires because the Model T is a negative ground system and the model A is a positive ground system.

Yes John. I read the entire post and for 54 years since buying my T in 1970, have always called it the “clutch band” because it is controlled by the pedal marked “C”. As long as you are understood, it doesn’t matter what something is called. I don’t think anyone who read my question was confused as to what I meant. Jim Patrick.

Hi Tim,

Thanks for the great pictures! You could not have had better weather for your tour around here.

The Olivesburg General Store is bigger now than I remember it from back around 2008-10 when I would pick up step kids from around the corner.

With Laura's health issues this summer we have not gotten out too much, but managed to get to...

Dutchmen, Scotsmen, both with a reputation for being a little tight. :D :D
Allan from down under.

Final tally was 75+ vendors and 90 pounds of ribs served. Thanks everyone. See you next year.

If you can see daylight between the rim and the felloe, it's time to call in a wheelwright. I have rebuilt steel-felloe wheels myself, but my wood-felloe wheels went to an expert.

Thanks Dan
I thought I had seen them somewhere. Too bad they aren’t being made anymore. They are pretty neat.

Simmons adv. in parts catalog 1924

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Its a high temp grease for aviation fuel or oil line shutoff valves. Similar to molycote. Could be used on carb gaskets .

I did the unthinkable - in my two-bushing bracket I replaced the upper grease cup with a grease zerk and drilled and tapped the lower bushing to install another. I grease with Timken bearing grease - it seems to do a good job.

We drive our ‘24 Touring every nice day we get & some not so nice days too. Acquired our car in ‘22 and worked steadily to get it restored in time for the Kansas tour June ‘23. Since then at least 4000 miles on the Henry T with 3100 logged since Feb. 26 of this year. A very mild winter allowed a lot of driving & even the short trips add up. Had...

I see you have a 1928 Graham-Paige.I used to have one. Yours didnt come from Ill did it It was a 4door sedan

My wife and I got it from Mountain Home Arkansas. It was there for about 25-30 years, give or take. It has not been run for 20 years, so I have to go through it. Here are some pictures, after we washed it.

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^^^^ well that explains it! I didn't know that, but certainly explains why I haven't seen them in decades. Was curious, cuz damn they worked good in the day....

The 2nd to the last photo of the early ‘14 touring gave me an idea: ….don’t have to pay the tax people anymore. Just make and display a sign “Lisence Applied For”.. :lol: :lol:

After 40 years at NASA, the one thing I have learned to trust, is empirical data. And this is where I run afoul of the current belief in the Model T community that 1913 cars were dark blue .

Show me the ORIGINAL, UNRESTORED cars that are undeniably blue.... From what I have seen, and based on discussions with many long-time collectors, they...

A NOS 6V one from ebay will hold alot better than an auto parts grade one. Twice the price but install only once. From my experience, those new generic ones have chinsy die cast plunger contacts that dont last.

They both have ruckstell axles with altered gearing as well as “goosed up” engines as they put it.

Good idea Ken, your suggestion sure won't hurt. I didn't think of using a penetrating oil due to the fact the threads are wet on the inside. Many thanks!!

Absolutely! Having reliable resources like Bruce McCalley's Model T Encyclopedia is invaluable for anyone seeking answers.

I have vivid memories back to very early childhood. Among them, are several memories of antique automobiles on the roads.
The two early HCCA Regional Groups in the San Francisco Bay Area were founded before I was born, along about 1950. When I was maybe four years old we were going home from some family visit and came across four or five early...

I had close to 20 proper grease cups but none with the clips on the inside to keep it from untwisting so I bought 3 from eBay. Thanks Steve.

I took the car out last night for a good ride, it ran great. Spray needle turned out 7/8 seems perfect. Exhaust is clear.

Two different parts were not as pictured and I had to use my limited metal working skills, but I would buy from them again. At least it's a starting point after a long wait.

I take stuff to my machine shop where they still have a hot tank.
Cost me little to nothing compared to buying all that cleaner and disposing of the used products.

The unit I’m considering is not a hi pressure steam unit. It is relatively low pressure, similar to the units used to clean grout in ceramic tile, granite or slate. It was just a thought. I appreciate all the comments. Will do the work this winter. I’ve used chemical removal previously with good luck. Just looking at other options!

Good solution John. i was going to suggest an additional piece of wood under that lip. Your fix is better. No extra holes to be drilled to fix it in place.
I had done the extra wood trick behind the back panel on the front seat of an Australian bodied T tourer damaged in an accident.

Allan from down under

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Same questions:
What is the reason the rear axle is being restored to begin with.
How long ago were the Modern inner oil seals installed.
Given the time effort and other part costs to rebuild a rear axle why risk a $17.95 part fail?
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Steve Jelf how to
By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Monday, June 27, 2011 - 12:14 am:
I agree,...

It is not a copywtrite. the Ford scripht is a registered trademark. Any one else using the Ford trade mark without permission is in vialation of the registration.

Yeah, I agree. Sometimes it's just easier to hire someone, but if you’re willing to learn, DIY can be pretty rewarding.

Broken rear axle road repair. One uses a rear wheel One uses a front wheel.

Wow! Lucky duck!

Here’s a picture of the sill plates in my 24 Coupe. I’m pretty sure they are original to the car. Yes I think they must be zinc as Allan noted. They seemed a little different than aluminum. The 24-25 Coupes are pretty much alike until the 25 had steel framed doors instead of the wood framed doors. The floorboards are original to the car also. I...

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Dadburn it Elmer, I done told you a dozen times you couldn't chase a coyote with your new fangled contraption...now you done broke yer tie rod out in the middle of nuthin and now we're fixin ter have to walk back to town... maybe next time you'll just let us sic the dogs on em instead of making them fat & lazy sitting in the car....

I think the wholesale outlet for most antique and classic tires made under the brand names of Firestone, Goodyear, and B.F. Goodrich is Kelsey Tire Co. in Camden, MO. At least, I know that is where Snyder's gets their Goodyear's from. I don't know who makes the tires under the different brand names for Kelsey. It would be interesting to know each...

Hi Dan,
I try not to use replacement pins for this reason. If at all possible I use tapper pins & leave extra so if the pin comes loose later it can be driven
deeper to tighten it. You will need the proper tapered reamer to make the hole. I buy the longer tapered pins & cut to length. Welding should
be the last resort but if you do make sure to...

I think I mentioned of an article in the Klaxon, which is a publication for members of the Piquette Ave plant, they had a photo of a key that appears to come out of someone's junk pile! It was a typical flat key that came out I believe in 1917, but the Klaxon stated it was used from 1909-1918 which is totally incorrect., in fact the key was used...

Interesting roadster pick up in picture #5,
Looks like a miniature version of a big truck bed, stock racks and all.
I like that idea ! :idea:

(Could that be an early version of the Minneapolis Moline logo ?)

I'm with Dan,
I know of no MFG. that recommends any procedure for cleaning oil contaminated linings. I have cleaned lightly contaminated woven linings
with lots of chlorinated brake clean, soak, dry, soak, dry again until they look new. If they don't look like new discard & replace. It comes down
to how much do you like those in your car with...

I second the recommendation for pirateship.com. You will get significant discount over USPS retail rates. Just print the label from pirateship and drop the package off at the post office. You also get instant comparison of the various rates from USPS, UPS, and FedEx.

Thanks
I'll give it a try. A comparison is great provided is holds true. I've...

1928 parts books, USA piston sizes from Ford, .0025, 005, 010, 025, 03125 and 033
Canada Ford sizes .001, 002, 003, 004, 005, 010, 015, 020, 025, 030, 033, 035, 040 and 045.

A close up view.

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I had a hair from the felt gasket get caught in my needle valve.

They have improved gaskets now with no hair.

Thank you everybody. I appreciate all the experienced help. I will get the radiator repaired if it can be and then go from there.

Thanks Mike. I guess that a former owner had the rear seat done and liked the buttons. I prefer to be original when I can. Barring a disaster, the rear seat with buttons will outlast me so it's going to stay the way it is. It's a late '27, and was owned by the Forbes family (as in John Forbes Kerry) and lived on two privately owned islands off the...

They are using old technology. They probably have to send their film in to be processed. Then they have to cut and paste. Do not know how they are going to get a kodak to show up on a web site?

Remember. If there are no pictures, it did not happen.

As per usual it's Dan who has the answer, Dan you must have a great filing system, you always seem to be able to find the accessory ad from the day or an article or in this case the illustration, many thanks!!!
No doubt, the description is a perfect fit. Amazing how many people/companies though they could use a Model T Ford as a base to produce...

I do like the colour combination of the wheels and body. Understated but quite appealing.

Allan from down under.

When I built my huckster, I put a wall between the cab and back which is what I think that it is. Agree about the tire, too small for a TT rear tire. Going with huckster on car frame.

I use a 32 inch on my 27 with the water outlet hub an an aftermarket aluminum lower pulley.

I need the copper contacts for a horn button. Mine is broken in half.

I would like to see the drawing of the first Ford jack, the screw type with built in handle, just to see the date. That would give us an idea of when it was first supplied with the car. It is not listed in the Ford parts book until May of 1917. If Ford produced a jack since 1913, I would think it would have made it into the parts book a little...

No. They’re about the same 2” from the edge. You’ll just need to remove that latch, fix the bend and service the spring. Then go to an upholstery shop for another door panel.

Dan's photos are of an earlier car than 1915. They show a separate hood former with no metal cover over the firewall, and the first photo shows the earlier pan arm with the tapered down outer ribs on top. By the time the 1915 bodies with their metal covered firewalls came along, I think the butterfly brackets were not needed. It was 1992 that I...

You will find four of them on every Ford coil.

I’m asking, not advising. If the engine is locked, such as a broken crankshaft, could you add a gallon or more oil to submerge the transmission and tow in neutral?

There’s a tarp shop in Walnut Creek, Ohio, Erb’s, that a nice Amish guy owns with his sons. He will do just about anything you need, using the materials of you choice. He has done several projects for us, including side curtains, tops, open trailer covers, rear boots. Very reasonable. If you go to see him, he and his sones REALLY like donuts!!!...

Put a straight thru resonator on once, these are short length, and both ends were 1.5 so no adapters needed.

Gave a nice low note, sounded hearty, with the tip down, on pavement you could hear the bounce sound, and on dirt roads would kick up dust from the turn down pipe!

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I have a couple of red rubber, metal stemmed Goodyear tubes in service, likely new in 1925 or earlier.

Allan from down under.

I only leaned on mine a little to look in the gas tank and put a dent in it.

A T will shift from low to high as smooth as silk if it is running right, adjusted right, and the controls are handled right. Smooth downshifts can be done, too. An engine that is out of tune and linkages out of proper adjustment will make smooth driving more difficult, and even impossible. The car should not buck, lurch, backfire, or shake when...