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Re: Yet another puzzle
I'm not up on the application of the different "lipped" front fenders, but it definitely has those. Speaking of fenders, the rear seems to follow the contour of the splash shield, but the inside bead looks like it's parallel to the outside edge. The crankcase profile doesn't seem to be a "teacup". Again, I'm unclear on the chronology oc the crankcase designs. Neat five-lug demountable wheels, almost as if they reckoned they'd only get flats on the rear ! I'm sure Rich is right, they were probably installed with load capacity in mind. Last, that's a '13 or '14 T across the street. Good evidence the photo was not taken before 1913.
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I think the right front wheel has been changed back to non-demountable, though it also appears to be 30x3-1/2.
The left front wheel has visible bolt heads (4 of the 5) for the mounting lugs.
I think the right front wheel has been changed back to non-demountable, though it also appears to be 30x3-1/2.
The left front wheel has visible bolt heads (4 of the 5) for the mounting lugs.
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Merry Christmas Herb. The radiator looks like a Schacht high wheeler. I'm not sure if it is. I don't see one with a hood or splash shield at the hand crank.
Good to see it.
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Good to see it.
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It would seem the Schacht is a mid-engine arrangement ? I bet the driver kept plenty warm in hot days ! The radiator is a ringer for the mystery vehicle. Perhaps Schacht produced many variations with low numbers of machines built ? These earliest vehicles are fascinating. So many are almost "one-off" examples.
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So many of the 2-cyl cars were mid-engines. This Schatch has it more to the rear. Many were air cooled rather than water cooled. Imagine the design debates in those days. General rules had not been established and a bad idea at one company made another one successful.
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Here's a 20s car with an odd square or diamond-shaped hubcap that's nagging my weak remembry cells - what is it ?
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I think it's a Dodge. 1923 or earlier. In 1924 the headlights were drum style. Those fenders have the distinctive bulge.
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This one should be easy.
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Looks like a 1905 Franklin.
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I love all the stuff going on in this shot !
Caddy ?
Caddy ?
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Yes sir, I'd say it's a 1913 or 14, Rich Eagle could tell you better.
Can't beat an old covered bridge, there are several here locally in the Ohio River Valley. Can anyone read any of those signs?
I assume it's a covered bridge, what's with the wooden boards at the entrance?
Can't beat an old covered bridge, there are several here locally in the Ohio River Valley. Can anyone read any of those signs?
I assume it's a covered bridge, what's with the wooden boards at the entrance?
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Thanks Tad. From what I see, Cadillac began using electric lights like that in 1912. By 1914 they seem to have used a smaller cowl lamp so '12-'13 would be my guess.
It is a great photo. I wish we had some covered bridges like that around here.
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Les nailed the Franklin. You can see the evidence in 4 cylinders through the grillwork.
Great looking little cars.
Thanks for the identifications.
It is a great photo. I wish we had some covered bridges like that around here.
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Les nailed the Franklin. You can see the evidence in 4 cylinders through the grillwork.
Great looking little cars.
Thanks for the identifications.
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FYI = the Caddy/covered bridge shot is said to be Marion, Indiana.
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I think its a coverup
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Yep... another clever coverup perpetrated by the Ancient Aliens working closely with the Russians to cover up their cooperative secret launching pads. All of these so-called bridges are oriented along vectors that converge at the exact center of the Bermuda Triangle!
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OK, super sleuths .... the split grille reminds me of a 29-30
Oakland, but this is older.
Oakland, but this is older.
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Further digging shows a similar radiator shell and exact match
of the emblem to the Elgin car - 1916-1923. The center grill bar
matches no photos I can find.
of the emblem to the Elgin car - 1916-1923. The center grill bar
matches no photos I can find.
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Mr. Burger,
I think you've got it, and the radiator has some dirt and strange lighting over it.
I think you've got it, and the radiator has some dirt and strange lighting over it.
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Kinda looks like a Rambler ....
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Thankyou Herb for that photo. That is a 1906 or 07 Buick Model F two cylinder. It has Gray & Davis bullet headlights like my Model G. Gs were the runabout and Fs were the Touring car. It is most likely painted "Purple Lale". The Lake colors were a very deep gloss.
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Neat "DIY" license tag !
Now for "TMI". In the arcana of painting materials in the days before synthetics, "lake" pigments were those generally derived from vegetable sources, and were very transparent. The term lake is a corruption of "laca", or lacquer.
Buick's Purple Lake was probably achieved by over-glazing a blue ground with varnishes saturated with crimson lake, and the effect would have been stunning; a highly polished surface with a transparency that would have made it look a foot deep ! The method would have followed practices that had been in use for finishing expensive carriages throughout the 19th century. High-end auto makers like Buick often went top of the line to finish their products.
Today, we can only guess how impressive that Purple Lake finish was. Unfortunately, those materials did not hold up well in service, most lake colors were "fugitive", i.e., prone to fade or discolor rapidly. It was common practice for wealthy owners to have their carriages refinished annually. Traditional materials and methods disappeared in the early 20s with the inception of nitrocellulose lacquer and the pressures of mass production.
Now for "TMI". In the arcana of painting materials in the days before synthetics, "lake" pigments were those generally derived from vegetable sources, and were very transparent. The term lake is a corruption of "laca", or lacquer.
Buick's Purple Lake was probably achieved by over-glazing a blue ground with varnishes saturated with crimson lake, and the effect would have been stunning; a highly polished surface with a transparency that would have made it look a foot deep ! The method would have followed practices that had been in use for finishing expensive carriages throughout the 19th century. High-end auto makers like Buick often went top of the line to finish their products.
Today, we can only guess how impressive that Purple Lake finish was. Unfortunately, those materials did not hold up well in service, most lake colors were "fugitive", i.e., prone to fade or discolor rapidly. It was common practice for wealthy owners to have their carriages refinished annually. Traditional materials and methods disappeared in the early 20s with the inception of nitrocellulose lacquer and the pressures of mass production.
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1906 Buick
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Thanks Dan, and thanks for the explanation of Lake colors Rich.
It is a fun car to have and drive and makes me appreciate Model Ts all the more.
I may do a painting from that if I get a chance. It's a great view of it.
My ,07 G is painted with a match to an original Purple Lake.It is a fun car to have and drive and makes me appreciate Model Ts all the more.
I may do a painting from that if I get a chance. It's a great view of it.
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Here's a great looking little roadster. Photo claims 1912 but the car looks mid-teens to me. Sorry for the poor resolution.
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The Overland is a very close, though the front fenders don't match. Can't find a match either but that round emblem in the corner of the radiator was a "thing" for KisselKar for years.
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Rich E and Oldnrusty1 posts per Overland and KisselKar produced this from a search on Ron Hausman's KisselKar site. Not sure of the year.
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Nice job Bob. I believe that is it. The model 6-38 was offered in 1916 and called the 6-38 100 point in 1917 to 1919 according to the Standard Catalog by Kimes and Clark.
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Here's a fun photo. I'm thinking this should be an easy identification. Sometimes we forget our early cars were built to be all-terrain vehicles. Even then they got into trouble !
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Is that a Hudson?
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From Merry Olde England - is there a Model T in there somewhere ?!? Photo date 1914.
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No puzzle here. I thought this might be the best place to post it.
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Thanks for posting that, Rich. It's a treat to see, and to be reminded what a beast the Mercer was (is) !
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I see the 1920 copyright but the license plate is a Washington 1921.
"Plates from 1916 through 1920 were issued on a March-to-March basis. The year on the plate indicated the year it expired."
In 1921 "The legislature changed the plate expiration date to December 31, making it necessary to order new license plates."
So, the picture could have been taken after March 1920.
As trivial as that is.
The car appears to be a shovel-nosed Franklin. (Air Cooled) Probably a year or so old.
The Stump began "as a tree, which was killed by fire in 1893; reduced to stump size and tunneled in 1916; given a concrete base in 1922; and moved alongside the new Highway 99 in 1939. The stump moved in 1971 to its current home, at the Smokey Point Rest Area at milepost 207 off Interstate 5."
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"Plates from 1916 through 1920 were issued on a March-to-March basis. The year on the plate indicated the year it expired."
In 1921 "The legislature changed the plate expiration date to December 31, making it necessary to order new license plates."
So, the picture could have been taken after March 1920.
As trivial as that is.
The car appears to be a shovel-nosed Franklin. (Air Cooled) Probably a year or so old.
The Stump began "as a tree, which was killed by fire in 1893; reduced to stump size and tunneled in 1916; given a concrete base in 1922; and moved alongside the new Highway 99 in 1939. The stump moved in 1971 to its current home, at the Smokey Point Rest Area at milepost 207 off Interstate 5."
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A Rambler I believe.
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I'm amused the car is a prop in a photographer's studio ! Usually automobile props for photos like this were either cobbled "invented" props, or 'way out of date for fun pictures. The subject's clothing seems contemporary with the car in this case.
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You guys are something else!
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People went to photo studios before personal cameras were available and popular. Having props was part of the business and when cars were introduced it must have been a popular prop.
Either a real car: Or a crafted prop. Here is a very similar Rambler. Rich
Either a real car: Or a crafted prop. Here is a very similar Rambler. Rich
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Those are great, Rich ! Thanks for posting them. I think generating some envy was a possible motive early on, when real cars were used as props You had to be "well heeled" to afford an automobile in the "oughts".
The use of studio props has an amusing (to me) side after a century or more. It was very popular for visitors from the East to have a studio photo taken wearing "cowboy" regalia - usually wooly chaps, "ten gallon" Stetsons, and of course lots of pistols, gun belts and rifles. Complicating the issue is the reasonable number of such portraits of actual working ranchers and cowhands. Sorting the "real deal" from the Rexall rangers is often speculative, but a lot of fun.
The use of studio props has an amusing (to me) side after a century or more. It was very popular for visitors from the East to have a studio photo taken wearing "cowboy" regalia - usually wooly chaps, "ten gallon" Stetsons, and of course lots of pistols, gun belts and rifles. Complicating the issue is the reasonable number of such portraits of actual working ranchers and cowhands. Sorting the "real deal" from the Rexall rangers is often speculative, but a lot of fun.
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I stumbled across another Rambler I believe. Why would they be so popular for this or is it just a coincidence?
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What impressed me about the previous Rambler pic was how roomy and invitingly comfortable the rear seat appears to be. Could be photographers preferred them for that reason ?
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As we begin to learn the earmarks, this should be an easy "id". The truth behind the wisecrack "get a horse !" Sometimes they'd save the day ! This one looks to me like driver error ! Drove into an off-road hole, not the machine's fault !
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We all know WHAT it is, the question is WHERE is it?
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RE: Rambler studio photos
I believe those photos were taken in Minneapolis.
I regularly peruse eBay for Minneapolis photos.
Over the years, I have seen dozens of real photo studio postcards with that same Rambler. When they have been mailed, they almost always have a Minneapolis postmark. Sometimes they are marked on the back "Electric Studio - 5 Wash, Ave. So. Minneapolis." In Minneapolis city directories, the studio was listed as Electric Postcard Studio at that same address.
Because they are so common, I can only conclude that thousands of studio photos were taken in Minneapolis with that Rambler.
Currently, there are six RPPCs listed on eBay with that same Rambler:
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/125337184497?h ... R-zrsrC_YQ
https://www.ebay.com/itm/173921300574?h ... R-rrsrC_YQ
https://www.ebay.com/itm/304778233941?h ... R-rrsrC_YQ
https://www.ebay.com/itm/401809432113?h ... BM6OuysL9h
https://www.ebay.com/itm/295479158394?h ... R-brsrC_YQ
I believe those photos were taken in Minneapolis.
I regularly peruse eBay for Minneapolis photos.
Over the years, I have seen dozens of real photo studio postcards with that same Rambler. When they have been mailed, they almost always have a Minneapolis postmark. Sometimes they are marked on the back "Electric Studio - 5 Wash, Ave. So. Minneapolis." In Minneapolis city directories, the studio was listed as Electric Postcard Studio at that same address.
Because they are so common, I can only conclude that thousands of studio photos were taken in Minneapolis with that Rambler.
Currently, there are six RPPCs listed on eBay with that same Rambler:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/295479101003?h ... R6ikxbC_YQ
https://www.ebay.com/itm/125337184497?h ... R-zrsrC_YQ
https://www.ebay.com/itm/173921300574?h ... R-rrsrC_YQ
https://www.ebay.com/itm/304778233941?h ... R-rrsrC_YQ
https://www.ebay.com/itm/401809432113?h ... BM6OuysL9h
https://www.ebay.com/itm/295479158394?h ... R-brsrC_YQ
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Even more photos on eBay of the same Rambler that I have found when I use different search parameters:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/224139376216?h ... BM3OKVtb9h
This one has a reference to Electric Photo and Postcard Studio Minneapolis on the back:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/325501492121?h ... BMltiKtb9h
https://www.ebay.com/itm/223975769658?h ... BM1PP_tL9h
I believe this is the same car, prior to being painted a brighter color:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/333562474231?h ... BM0vP_tL9h
Minneapolis postmark
https://www.ebay.com/itm/353068554974?h ... BMgsDvtL9h
Correspondence on the postcard references Minneapolis:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/225379318108?h ... R7D01rS_YQ
Source of photo that someone previously posted in this thread:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/374482908171?h ... BM2JOttL9h
Possibly the same Ramber - however, the rear door seems to be bowed above the mid-moulding but that may be an optical illusion due to the shadow:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/223477087047?h ... R67EprW_YQ
This may be the same car sans windshield - however, a Seattle studio is referenced on the back.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/225371793943?h ... R9yTrbS_YQ
https://www.ebay.com/itm/224139376216?h ... BM3OKVtb9h
This one has a reference to Electric Photo and Postcard Studio Minneapolis on the back:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/325501492121?h ... BMltiKtb9h
https://www.ebay.com/itm/223975769658?h ... BM1PP_tL9h
I believe this is the same car, prior to being painted a brighter color:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/333562474231?h ... BM0vP_tL9h
Minneapolis postmark
https://www.ebay.com/itm/353068554974?h ... BMgsDvtL9h
Correspondence on the postcard references Minneapolis:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/225379318108?h ... R7D01rS_YQ
Source of photo that someone previously posted in this thread:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/374482908171?h ... BM2JOttL9h
Possibly the same Ramber - however, the rear door seems to be bowed above the mid-moulding but that may be an optical illusion due to the shadow:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/223477087047?h ... R67EprW_YQ
This may be the same car sans windshield - however, a Seattle studio is referenced on the back.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/225371793943?h ... R9yTrbS_YQ
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The Boise fire chief turned out in this spiffy roadster. No date
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Thanks Erik ! And many thanks for the links to all the studio photos of the Rambler. That's fun to know !
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Maybe there aren't enough original earmarks to identify what make is the basis for this appealing little speedster ? The photo is dated 1916.
This photo has me pondering what motivated "motor boys" to build speedsters in those early days as opposed to how modern day builders of speedsters approach the problem. This photo shows a vehicle stripped down to essentials for a mostly roadless cross-country trek over wagon roads and cattle trails. It's packing gear for roughing it, and making spot repairs.
This photo has me pondering what motivated "motor boys" to build speedsters in those early days as opposed to how modern day builders of speedsters approach the problem. This photo shows a vehicle stripped down to essentials for a mostly roadless cross-country trek over wagon roads and cattle trails. It's packing gear for roughing it, and making spot repairs.
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About the A, the partly visible licence plate seems to point to Sweden ?
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Not a model A. Looks like the celebrated 15 millionth Model T. I don't know where it is.
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I'm pretty sure the speedster is a Metz, 1911 or later due to the left-hand drive.
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I was hoping to get a response from one of our posters from the bottom of the planet. It’s at the Vintage Car and Machinery Museum in Geraldine, New Zealand, on the South Island. Seven buildings full of historic vehicles, farm machinery, toys, and even an airplane or two. Well worth the $15 (about $10 US) entrance fee.
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Looks like the whole fam damly turned out for a photograph with the new car. No date on photo. Big car !! What is it ?
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I don't recognize European cars very well. I gave away my best book on them for space and lack of interest.
This Gladiator 10 HP, voiture routière de 1903 is the closest I have seen. This "Believed 1903 Lacoste et Battmann 12HP twin cylinder Rear-Entrance Tonneau" also has some similarities to it. Maybe a different year or model. I was looking for Clement Bayards as they seem to ring a bell. The attire and the headlamps didn't look like U.S. items to me.
Perhaps if we bounce this post up someone will identify it.
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This Gladiator 10 HP, voiture routière de 1903 is the closest I have seen. This "Believed 1903 Lacoste et Battmann 12HP twin cylinder Rear-Entrance Tonneau" also has some similarities to it. Maybe a different year or model. I was looking for Clement Bayards as they seem to ring a bell. The attire and the headlamps didn't look like U.S. items to me.
Perhaps if we bounce this post up someone will identify it.
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I have to apologize for posting a European car. I didn't know the photo came from across the pond. It's not my intention to present them, not because they don't present a wide field of fascinating interest, it's just that I have a tough enough time with US makes.
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That's my problem too. We copied so much from the European cars and vice versa. They are not readily recognizable.
I have learned a great deal from this thread as well as others and that is worth a lot to me.
I am glad you have been able to find these pictures. Each one is a gem from the past and fun to study.
The patina on ones I run across in the search is a treasure in itself.
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I have learned a great deal from this thread as well as others and that is worth a lot to me.
I am glad you have been able to find these pictures. Each one is a gem from the past and fun to study.
The patina on ones I run across in the search is a treasure in itself.
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Hmmm. Style of plate, right hand steering and "NSW" lead me to believe the photo hails from Australia ? (which doesn't mean it's not an American make)
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I think we are being fooled by the reflection on the radiator shell. I'm convinced it is a 1928 Willys-Overland Whippet. (3 at right)
Bumpers appeared to be an option.
'29 had a radiator that looks more like this one, but the fender and body styling changed. I considered it might be a transition, but probably not.Bumpers appeared to be an option.
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Nailed it Rich ! Retrospective, now I can see the doggie mascot in the original photo. I only recall seeing one Whippet in "real life" very appealing little car !
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Here is a '27 Whippet. Much the same.
I remember a Whippet Roadster running around Bozeman in the 60s. It was a bit smaller than a Model A.When did I do that?
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Hold on. My apologies.
I did some more digging and found there was a Model 98 with a six-cylinder engine in 1928. It had the radiator we see in Mr. Glahn's photo. and
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=5d3c9f56 ... 5MjE&ntb=1
It's too easy to jump to conclusions. I will strive to be more thorough in the future.
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I did some more digging and found there was a Model 98 with a six-cylinder engine in 1928. It had the radiator we see in Mr. Glahn's photo. and
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=5d3c9f56 ... 5MjE&ntb=1
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Here's another studio photo using an automobile as a prop. Is there enough detail visible to make an identification ? (No info on the photo, I hope it's not European)
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That is a very attractive lady with an inviting look on her face. I don't recognize any of the futures on the car. The chain guard has a French look to it but the rest could be U.S. or not. It has the footprint of a square acetylene generator left on the side. The diamond shaped running board mat could be a clue. I think I see a rear wheel instead of a flywheel suggesting a one or two-cylinder engine has been removed. The heavy plate attached to the frame seems like an afterthought or perhaps a low production car to me. However, the contour to the seat would appear something a more expensive car would have.
I hope someone will know exactly what it is. I think I would enjoy having one.
This is one of the more interesting studio shots.
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I hope someone will know exactly what it is. I think I would enjoy having one.
This is one of the more interesting studio shots.
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I can't tell if it's a flywheel or road wheel that is barely visible to the left rear. I wonder if that car had outside lever controls that were removed to make getting in and out easier. There appears to be an opening just below the lady's dress that might have been for a control shaft and lever or levers.
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"White City" often referred to the buildings put up for the World's Columbian Exposition of 1893. That might be a little early for that car. However, another Chicago venue, White City Park, opened around 1905 and lasted most of 50 years. That photo may well have been taken at White City Park. That doesn't say much about the car, except that it might point to it being a USA make.
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The car with the ladies is a 1903 or '04 Pope-Toledo.
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"The ball-bearing car"
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Much Thanks Dan. Again, your expertise solves the question. And it is an American built car. This leaves no doubt.
Thank you so much.
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https://www.bonhams.com/auction/25219/l ... e-no-2444/
And another.
"1904 Pope-Toledo 24HP Four-Cylinder Rear Entrance Tonneau". It is the transmission which had been removed. The controls also were gone to permit entrance and exit.Thank you so much.
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https://www.bonhams.com/auction/25219/l ... e-no-2444/
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Oh! The METHANE!
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This looks like an identifiable rear axle.
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That is a Cartercar rear axle.
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Thanks Dan ! I know I'd seen that unique rear end before, I believe it was in a garage photo with the axle partly disassembled but I don't think the make was identified !
Here's one that has my weak "remembry" perking - the image is a little odd, perhaps from the company's literature ? Looks photographic, but heavily retouched - not quite free illustration.
Here's one that has my weak "remembry" perking - the image is a little odd, perhaps from the company's literature ? Looks photographic, but heavily retouched - not quite free illustration.
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That is a De Dion Bouton, 1898 - 1899
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That image, Rich, was titled "Viennese Ladies in their Schnauferl – Automobile Magazine 1900" ctgpublishing.com. In Germany, "In 1900 the Allgemeine Schnauferl Club (ASC) was established during the general motor vehicle exhibition. An association, which is still committed to the preservation and tradition of vintage cars."
It does have some interesting retouching.
Thanks for posting it and thanks, Dan, for the identification.
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It does have some interesting retouching.
Thanks for posting it and thanks, Dan, for the identification.
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Thanks for the detail Rich ! Many of my sources for these pictures give no information about place or date. I'm trying to avoid European cars, but my ignorance of the early years isn't helping.
Fair question though, was the DeDion-Bouton extensively imported to the US, and did any American makes adopt that steering and throttle control arrangement ? It looks very familiar to me.
Fair question though, was the DeDion-Bouton extensively imported to the US, and did any American makes adopt that steering and throttle control arrangement ? It looks very familiar to me.
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I'd have guessed a "schnauferl" was some sort of lapdog.
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Not American, but some early Benz automobiles, including the Benz Velo, had that steering/throttle arrangement.
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I'll say EMF, cause I don't know no better.
I'll say EMF, cause I don't know no better.
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It does look a lot like an '11 EMF Jerry. I found this nice one looking it up.
http://www.tomlaferriere.com/listings/1 ... 30-touring
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Saw this picture hanging on the wall in a book store. I thought it was a TT at first glance but Iam not sure. Has some interesting covers on it.
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I'm inclined to say it is a 1910 Mitchell or there abouts.
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As for the Calvert Lithographing Co. Truck, they were founded in Detroit, Mich in 1863 and sold in 1950. They produced can labels. I can't tell what make it is. Some parts are similar to the White trucks, and some are very different. Maybe someone else knows.
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Not sure of the year, maybe 1914 or 1915, but I think that's a Saxon. I laughed at the owner 100 years after the fact at his addition of all the headlights!
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Re: Yet another puzzle
I though Saxon too, Dan. I couldn't find one with the same fenders. The Wheelbase looked a little long too. They certainly made a lot of different ones.
That hood was standard on all of them. 1915 Saxon Model 14 in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Movie, 1989.
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Rich
That hood was standard on all of them. 1915 Saxon Model 14 in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Movie, 1989.
Thanks
Rich
When did I do that?
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Re: Yet another puzzle
I love that car!
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