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I Fear We're All Out of Date

Post by HPetrino » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:47 am

Occasionally on Saturday mornings while I'm at my desk doing stuff I'll put on Hopalong Cassidy. There is a cable channel here that plays 2 of his early 1950's TV episodes then 1 of his movies every Saturday morning. I enjoy the simple "good guy always wins" theme. It's a short, pleasant break from the news and realities of todays troubled world.

Today I happened to notice that a new warning dad been added to the normal "PG" rating notes. In addition to "Mild Violence" and a couple of other things, the notation now includes, "Culturally out of date". What the heck does that mean? Truth, honesty and the idea that good overcomes evil are now culturally out of date?

Sometimes I think there's no hope for us.

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Re: I Fear We're All Out of Date

Post by perry kete » Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:15 pm

My guess on "Culturally out of date" is that different ethnic groups and nationalities were portrayed with some bias back then so they are now printing a disclaimer.
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Re: I Fear We're All Out of Date

Post by Rich Eagle » Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:27 pm

It is a changing world and folks get funny ideas. I worked with a guy in the 70s who swore "Lassie" was a communist conspiracy with vile undertones to warp youngsters minds.
I always like Hoppy.
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Re: I Fear We're All Out of Date

Post by Norman Kling » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:33 pm

I personally think it is possible to be unbiased sexually, racially, ethnically or handicap. But it is harder than filling quotas.
However, I don't think it is appropriate to hire people strictly according to "diversity" standards. We should still find the best, and most capable persons for any job or position. And when we admit people to colleges, should go according to academic qualifications rather than to fill "quotas"
It is not right to eliminate school suspensions, or release criminals, or change crimes from felonies to misdemeanors because it discriminates against certain groups. In fact it eliminates responsibilities for ourselves and for our training of our children.
Having said the above, I realize it is much harder to be unbiased, than it is to meet certain quotas, but if we lower the standards, everyone will get lazy. Why work for something I can get free, or why work hard only to be passed up because I don't meet the diversity quota?
I have spoken! Now I expect the criticism to follow!
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Re: I Fear We're All Out of Date

Post by Rich Bingham » Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:36 pm

The old Westerns were morality plays. Simplistic, and uncomplicated, extolling virtue and basic morals. Definitely not the "culture" that has evolved in the present day.

I love watching them for a different reason - the horsemanship that is a spectacle and of a quality that disappeared from Westerns made after the early 1960's.

Ain't it fun becoming irrelevant ?!? :lol:
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Re: I Fear We're All Out of Date

Post by Burger in Spokane » Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:16 pm

As a kid in the 60's, I was struck by the stereotypical grumpy old farts that
lived around the neighborhood. They'd yell at the kids for getting on their
lawn, riding bikes on the sidewalk in front of their house, etc. To this kid,
they were an amazing display of miserable, and (some) of the kids were an
amazing display of clueless.

On the flip side, there were people like Mr. Scramlin, who would invite kids
into his shop to show them projects he was working on. He might ask us to
help him move stuff, or haul orchard cuttings to the ravine, but he was always
inclusive and friendly, even though none of us were family ... just kids riding
by on our bicycles. Only a few of us kids took him up on his offers of neighborly
interface. Most thought it was boring or had no interest in being helpful.

Today I saw a "story" post about some guy offering to show his elder father
how to do online banking (and other things) to save him the trouble of going
in to town and doing his errands in person. The father explained that his trips
into town were not a burden. Rather, they were the highlight of his day, where
he saw friends and kept in touch. He added that these people he knows from
town are friends, and have come to his aid at times, because he knows them.
Something that would not be possible, if he did all his business online.

I enjoyed my exposure to young-uns when I was deployed, and amazed at
their parallel universe of reality and how they saw things. I still work with
vets, since coming home, and the amazement continues. I think a lot of the
"bridge" between us is the military experience and parlance, and they often
comment about how "stupid" their generation is, so inwardly focused on "feelings"
and "social injustices", rather than just getting to work and making their own
lives better.

But, as an observer, it is interesting to hear this commentary coming from
others, much younger than myself, and see something of a parallel to those
days when I noticed the grumpy oldsters and the stupid kids and thought similar
thoughts 50+ years ago.

Without question, I have become the dinosaur.
More people are doing it today than ever before !

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Re: I Fear We're All Out of Date

Post by aDave » Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:41 pm

Henry,
I agree...out of date, or behind the times we are. Hoppy, Lassie, the Phantom, the Lone Ranger and many others occupied my mind when it was too cold, rainy or snowy to play outside. All most enjoyable...and the books...the Hardy Boys, tom Sawyer's adventures, many others that this old mind doesn't remember.
I think with this age of technology...the internet and Wikipedia and other research sites eliminating Encyclopedias Americana and Britannica, and the darned spell check eliminating (for many) a dictionary by the desk...and instant meals - prepared foods....etc...people have TOO MUCH SPARE time anymore, and they look for things to criticize. (Washington Redskins...Cleveland Browns..."Indigenous Peoples Day" ) ....etc., etc.....
So...somebody looked up the meaning of some of the words used in those old movies....Ke-mo sah-bee (/ˌkiːmoʊˈsɑːbiː/; often spelled kemo sabe, kemosabe or kimosabe) is the term used by the fictional Native American sidekick Tonto as the Indian name for The Lone Ranger in the American television and radio programs The Lone Ranger.

What does Kemosabe mean in Navajo?
soggy shrub
In Navajo, on the other hand, “kemosabe” translates as “soggy shrub.” If this seems an odd thing for faithful friend Tonto to call the Lone Ranger, perhaps he was just repaying the Ranger's long-standing insult. “Tonto,” after all, is a Spanish word meaning “stupid.” Posted in Archive | 24 comments.


I never knew that....learn something new every day :D

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Re: I Fear We're All Out of Date

Post by Rich Eagle » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:02 pm

When did I do that?


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Re: I Fear We're All Out of Date

Post by Rich Bingham » Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:59 pm

aDave wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:41 pm
. . . perhaps he was just repaying the Ranger's long-standing insult. “Tonto,” after all, is a Spanish word meaning “stupid.” . . .
Worse, rather than "soggy shrub", if one sticks to Spanish as the point of reference, "kemosabe" may well be a mis-pronunciation of "que mas sabe", or "he who knows best". Rather slavish, eh ?
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Re: I Fear We're All Out of Date

Post by DLodge » Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:16 pm

Norman Kling wrote:
Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:33 pm
However, I don't think it is appropriate to hire people strictly according to "diversity" standards.
I agree with what Norm said. From a purely mathematical standpoint, Joe Biden's statement before he had chosen his running mate was, essentially, that it would be a black woman. In other words, he was not going to pick the best qualified person to be vice president, he was going to pick the best qualified person out of 6.7% of the population to be vice president. Therefore, no one in 99.3% of the population was considered to be VP. (Note: this is not a political statement, just a comment on using quotas to choose people.)

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Re: I Fear We're All Out of Date

Post by Duey_C » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:24 am

:lol: :) :)
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Re: I Fear We're All Out of Date

Post by tdump » Sat Dec 12, 2020 5:52 pm

After looking at what is "In Date" I think I will remain in my current "out of date" condition! :lol:
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Re: I Fear We're All Out of Date

Post by Wayne Sheldon » Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:28 am

I cannot for the life of me remember who said it, or where I read it many years ago. And the internet (surprise surprise!) has not helped me on the several times I have tried to find it.

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Re: I Fear We're All Out of Date

Post by Loftfield » Sun Dec 13, 2020 7:18 am

Back when it was current, I wrote to ask what kemo sabe meant. The answer I got was that it meant absolutely nothing, It was only a word invented for Tonto to call the Lone Ranger. No "cultural" group need be offended.

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