Value of Cushman Engine-Model C, 4 hp (Binder engine?)

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Value of Cushman Engine-Model C, 4 hp (Binder engine?)

Post by david_dewey » Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:01 am

Today I picked up a little vertical gas engine, Cushman Model C, 4hp according to the brass serial number tag. Tried looking it up on the internet, but kept getting Cushman Scooters and parts. Brass carb, looks fairly complete, except really rusty! Was just wondering if I got a good deal or "zonked."
Going back tomorrow to pick up a '26 style engine, no head, no access pan, and transmission access cover is gone too-only one pedal. VERY rusty, but hoping the transmission parts might be worth saving. They didn't have enough manpower today to put it in my truck, should have tomorrow. There are other T parts laying about too, but mostly hundreds of hit & miss gas engines. There is a TT chassis, with front fenders and the short running boards, no front wheels, back wheels still there, but the whole thing has been sitting under olive trees for decades. In another spot there is a C cab body, but it's rusted out worse than mine! I don't have any way of moving the chassis, so not really thinking about adding to my rust pile.
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Re: Value of Cushman Engine-Model C, 4 hp (Binder engine?)

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Re: Value of Cushman Engine-Model C, 4 hp (Binder engine?)

Post by david_dewey » Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:36 pm

The engine in the illustration looks just like mine, down to the flat belt pulley. I will have to get a photograph, don't know why I didn't take ANY pictures, I should have documented this place a little bit, folks won't believe all the stuff that was there.
But back to my question, any idea as to value??? ANY????
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Re: Value of Cushman Engine-Model C, 4 hp (Binder engine?)

Post by david_dewey » Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:27 pm

Took some pictures today when I picked up my TWO engines--OK, engine remains.
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The TT chassis
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the tire says "NON SKID" on the sidewall--they've been there a LONG time!
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The "smallest" engine there--some 26 HP, egads! They haven't sold it yet, Distillate Engine.
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One small area of engines, and this was after a lot of them had been sold.
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Re: Value of Cushman Engine-Model C, 4 hp (Binder engine?)

Post by david_dewey » Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:38 pm

My $20 engine buy.
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The TT cab I left due to rust out;
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This probably came off that TT Chassis.
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Post by david_dewey » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:15 am

Thanks, when I get to a Wi Fi, I will check them out.
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Re: Value of Cushman Engine-Model C, 4 hp (Binder engine?)

Post by Mark Gregush » Mon Feb 15, 2021 7:09 pm

You could also try one of the small motor forums here; https://www.smokstak.com/forum/
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Re: Value of Cushman Engine-Model C, 4 hp (Binder engine?)

Post by Duey_C » Tue Feb 16, 2021 2:05 am

Neat finds!
Uff da. Lots of goodies there.
Cushman. 400-more if in decent condition around here.
Green Fairbanks-Morse Diesel with tall exhaust pipe. A 26 horse? Cool! Ka-fwack, ka-fwack, ka-fwack, ka-fwack, ka-fwack...
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Re: Value of Cushman Engine-Model C, 4 hp (Binder engine?)

Post by david_dewey » Wed Feb 17, 2021 1:30 am

Well today I finally took some pics of MY Cushman. I think it looks pretty intact.
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Thanks for all your help! Would like to know what y'all think of it too.
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Re: Value of Cushman Engine-Model C, 4 hp (Binder engine?)

Post by ThreePedalTapDancer » Wed Feb 17, 2021 9:11 am

I bet it still runs. Clean out the carb and oil it up. If it turns free, see what happens.

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Re: Value of Cushman Engine-Model C, 4 hp (Binder engine?)

Post by david_dewey » Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:08 pm

Engine is frozen--though not completely, I can "wiggle" the flywheel. As soon as I can get the spark plug out, I will put Kroil or something similar in the cylinder, I suspect the rings are "frozen" to the cylinder. Project on back burner, engine is in safe storage, no more rain getting to it!
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Re: Value of Cushman Engine-Model C, 4 hp (Binder engine?)

Post by John Warren » Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:02 pm

Nice engine! Keep us posted.
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Post by david_dewey » Sun Feb 21, 2021 10:59 pm

Well some updates, keeping the Cushman stuff here and putting the T stuff in the general forum area. I picked up another engine at the sale as it had the water tank and gas tank, but not the cone cooler part, but for $100 for it all, I couldn't resist. The ignition on this one is home-made; a hose clamp on the shaft that strikes a contact finger each time it goes around. A poor-man's timer, sorta! So I picked up another parts engine off the scrap pile, and then on my last trip picked up an engine sans carburetor, but with a magneto on it. So here are some pics for y'all.
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The "good" engine and a parts source I found on their junk pile.
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From the other side
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The serial number badge on it.
I picked up this third engine because it had a magneto on it, it's frozen so it was CHEAP! No pics except for the badge, which looks a little different
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I also forgot to take a picture of the water and gas tank unit. ooops.
I also picked up another gas tank only--they were going to toss it as it has a rust out spot in it, but I can patch that! And then they let me pick up some oilers for my engine.
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There was a shed not dug through much with more engines in it:
Hmm, can't seem to add another picture, guess I'll start a new post.
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Post by david_dewey » Sun Feb 21, 2021 11:14 pm

Then there was this shed they finally opened the door too, and this pic was taken after about 5 or more engine left.
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If you want I can post more pics of other stuff there. While I was there there some folks picking up all the Cat 30 parts that were scattered everywhere. Apparently he had 3 or 4 of them.
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Re: Value of Cushman Engine-Model C, 4 hp (Binder engine?)

Post by david_dewey » Mon Feb 22, 2021 6:01 pm

Found a poor picture of my gas tank and coolant tank before I drug them out. The engine is hidden by the corrugated tin.
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A day later I found another fuel tank they were throwing out as the outlet had rusted off. I can fix that! I like FREE stuff! :)
However neither tank had the cap with them.
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Post by david_dewey » Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:10 pm

Took some pics of the "radiator" tank and gas tank assembly.
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Now if i could just find the cone top and elbow fitting that goes with this!
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Post by Duey_C » Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:54 pm

That cooling tower and gas tank is a nice find!
Lots of neat things to see there.
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Your hose clamp "points": On my 1-1/2 FM I use a solid copper wire with an L formed on the end, fastened to a piece of fiber board that's bolted to the block. As the crank throw passes by touching the wire, it completes the circuit and buzzes the model T coil.
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Re: Value of Cushman Engine-Model C, 4 hp (Binder engine?)

Post by david_dewey » Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:08 am

I started working on the first engine I picked up, the one that is "almost" frozen (there is a very tiny "wiggle" on the flywheel). Found the water pump was frozen solid. Couldn't figure out how the driving gear and the pump would come apart, as they are separate castings bolted to a crankshaft cover. Picked up an owners manual that shows the parts, and some text on the water pump mentions that the drive gear is screwed onto the water pump shaft. AH HA! says I, that should be easy, as that area is not rusty! Hmm, no budge, so on with the heat and cooling. Still no budge--then I thought to try to wiggle it, Ah! a little wiggle, wait more wiggle but that should be tightening it. Ah HA!! it's a left hand thread!! No mention of that in the manual. Turns out the packing nut is also left handed, no wonder I was having so much difficutly. Now the pump is apart, and I am working on what to do about the very pitted shaft. Since it will only be run for demonstrations, and there is no water pressure, save what the pump develops inside istelf to push the water out I am thinking of building it up with sil-floss and truning it down to true in my lathe.
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Re: Value of Cushman Engine-Model C, 4 hp (Binder engine?)

Post by Bill Dizer » Fri Apr 02, 2021 9:12 pm

David, did you see the photo of the model t sales vehicle selling the Cushman binder engines, with an engine mounted on the rear of the T? Dollies dad post in the general listing, eighteenth photo down. Interesting details! Something you could replicate in the future!

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Re: Value of Cushman Engine-Model C, 4 hp (Binder engine?)

Post by david_dewey » Sat Apr 03, 2021 3:43 am

Thanks for pointing that out and posting it. Yes, I could do something like that with Barney!! Hmmmm. . .
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Re: Value of Cushman Engine-Model C, 4 hp (Binder engine?)

Post by Angmar » Mon May 03, 2021 6:44 pm

Post a video when you get it running.

Would have been fun to wander through those sheds.....
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Post by TRDxB2 » Thu May 06, 2021 2:32 am

Googled just this - vertical gas engine, Cushman
Link of that query https://www.google.com/search?q=vertica ... 5znILpiNmM

eBay link https://www.ebay.com/itm/322512627676?c ... gJ9B_D_BwE
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