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Help Wanted 2 cyl engine identification

Post by Junk poor » Sun Jun 27, 2021 7:44 pm

I was wondering if someone on here may be able to identify this engine. It’s two cylinder air cooled. No markings on it. Possibly came out of Canada. Sorry for the poor pictures not my engine.
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Re: Help Wanted 2 cyl engine identification

Post by Rich Eagle » Sun Jun 27, 2021 9:17 pm

Well it's very intriguing and wonderful to see. High-wheeler comes to mind. Perhaps one of many forgotten brands or even made up from parts. The textured cooling fins are unique.
I'll bring it to the top and hope someone can tell us more.
Thanks for the pictures and another puzzle.
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Re: Help Wanted 2 cyl engine identification

Post by TXGOAT2 » Sun Jun 27, 2021 10:53 pm

I'd guess it's for a vehicle, maybe even an aircraft.


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Re: Help Wanted 2 cyl engine identification

Post by Poppie » Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:34 am

Pat,
I wouldn't be keen to be the passenger in the aircraft.
Interesting that the starting handle must go between the magnets of the magneto to connect to the crank
My guess that could be off a1905/6 Reliable Dayton....Great Photos...N.


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Re: Help Wanted 2 cyl engine identification

Post by TXGOAT2 » Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:03 am

"I wouldn't be keen to be the passenger in the aircraft." /// I'd think Wilbur or Orville would have been happy to have been. They took to the air with less. That engine looks to potentially have a considerabley better power to weight ratio than typical early engines. Both intake and exhaust valves appear to be cam-operated. Many early engines had "automatic" intake valves, which operated off the pressure drop on the intake stroke. That simplified engine construction, but it limited power and speed and made intake valve timing uncertain. If this engine had much compression and any ability to rev, it would made good power but would also have needed a high velocity, high volume air stream for cooling. That would have been readily available in an aircraft application. The pilot would have to have dealt with oily goggles, but that was the way it was back then.


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Re: Help Wanted 2 cyl engine identification

Post by Dropacent » Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:00 pm

It looks just a bit later than most highwheeler engines, but a possibility. The pressed on dimpled fins for cooling is something I’ve not seen before. A lot of railroad “speeders” used similar motor. Lots of companies in Indiana made engines , and I’ve had luck searching their old advertisements. Good luck, keep us posted as to what you discover.


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Re: Help Wanted 2 cyl engine identification

Post by Herb Iffrig » Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:51 pm

In the last picture it looks like it works on vacuum.


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Re: Help Wanted 2 cyl engine identification

Post by TXGOAT2 » Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:03 pm

Upper valves are intake, and appear to have pushrods & rockers. Lower valves are exhaust, and also have rockers. Exhaust turned upward seems a little odd for a road going vehicle with the engine mounted underneath, but all is speculation.


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Re: Help Wanted 2 cyl engine identification

Post by TXGOAT2 » Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:06 pm

Chevrolet made an air-cooled engine with composite cylinders for a year or two. See: "Copper Cooled Chevrolet"


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Re: Help Wanted 2 cyl engine identification

Post by Junk poor » Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:09 am

Couple things I should mention. The magneto mount and position may not be original. If you look closely those are actually wooden blocks on either side of the mag.
Also the crankshaft extends about 24 (just guessing) inches out the other side. It also has a couple woodruff key slots milled into it along with a couple dimples for set screws. This would lead me to believe it’s not aircraft.
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Re: Help Wanted 2 cyl engine identification

Post by Junk poor » Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:10 am

Here’s a picture of the mounting foot.
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Re: Help Wanted 2 cyl engine identification

Post by Junk poor » Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:12 am

Another shot of the cooling fins.
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Re: Help Wanted 2 cyl engine identification

Post by Mark Nunn » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:58 am

The crankcase is small for the length of the cylinders. It can't have much of a crank throw or balancing weights, if present.


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Re: Help Wanted 2 cyl engine identification

Post by TXGOAT2 » Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:12 am

The small crankcase suggests a short stroke, but the length of the cylinders doesn't. No flywheel, or indication of any? Being out of Canada,it may be of British make. It would be interesting to know the bore/stroke and compression ratio. I don't see much indication of mounting bosses for shrouding such as a stationary or automotive air cooled engine would require. It may not have ever had a starting crank.

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Re: Help Wanted 2 cyl engine identification

Post by Ruxstel24 » Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:15 am

My first thought was aircraft. Wouldn’t need a crank if you could spin the prop.


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Re: Help Wanted 2 cyl engine identification

Post by Dropacent » Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:28 am

This one is intriguing. Thanks for the additional info. The crankshaft appears it likely had a planetary transmission attached. The oiler looks pretty industrial and could have been added,as you mentioned the mag placement. IMHO too heavy for a lightweight design. Also, the bore is not straight, so the rods would not have to be offset, which is a pretty early design flaw( straight bore, that is )
I looked for a long time last night and thought possibly European as they had some really wacky stuff. Cycle car is a possibility, as also some really strange ones. I even thought motorcycle, but the big mounting casting still leads me to believe some sort of industrial use.
Chevrolet lost their shirt on a copper finned air cooled project, and something to remember, often very rare things ( in all fields) were sometimes because of poor design.


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Re: Help Wanted 2 cyl engine identification

Post by Dropacent » Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:31 am

Is there a make of the oiler, or might be good to research that. It’ll help pin down where the motor was made, if the oiler appears it’s always been aboard .


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Re: Help Wanted 2 cyl engine identification

Post by TXGOAT2 » Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:16 pm

If it's an airplane motor, I doubt if it had a prop mounted on the crankshaft. That thing looks too large and expensive for a cycle car.

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Re: Help Wanted 2 cyl engine identification

Post by Mark Gregush » Fri Jul 02, 2021 11:08 am

I know the voices aren't real but damn they have some good ideas! :shock:

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Re: Help Wanted 2 cyl engine identification

Post by Rich Eagle » Fri Jul 02, 2021 12:39 pm

The mechanical oiler looks much like the Kinwood's used on Overland's. The cap and drip adjustment are very similar.
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Patent dates '06 and '08 are shown and they were used as late as 1913 or so.
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