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Another one to identify

Post by Rich Bingham » Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:50 pm

"Picking huckleberries at Grimes Pass (Idaho) 1913"
Like as not the car is older.
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Re: Another one to identify

Post by Herb Iffrig » Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:01 pm

Is it some type of underslung?


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Re: Another one to identify

Post by Burger in Spokane » Sun Jul 18, 2021 6:46 pm

Frogeye headlights suggest Hupp.
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Re: Another one to identify

Post by Wayne Sheldon » Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:08 am

The picture just isn't clear enough. I cannot tell for certain if the top of the radiator and hood are rounded, or flat? IF the top of the radiator and hood are in fact rounded, the car would most likely be a Stearns. They have a very distinctive trim on the front of the radiator surround (shell). However, It almost looks as though the top of the radiator and hood are flat, like a brass era model T. As far as I know, Stearns never had a flat topped radiator and hood after the couple earliest years, which did not have that distinctive trim on the front of the radiator surround.
If it is a Stearns, I would guess about a 1910 to 1912, maybe a model 30 (a friend has one).
If the top of the radiator is flat, and it isn't a Stearns? I have no other idea. Other than I am fairly certain it isn't a Hupmobile, despite the headlamps.


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Re: Another one to identify

Post by Rich Bingham » Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:19 am

I'm sorry the photo quality isn't better. I pirate "fun" pix from history sites, and many are posted at fair to poor resolution. We could probably tell the shape of the hood for sure from the original. My two cents' - it looks to me like the curve of the hood former is round "over center", so I'm going with Stearns ! (as if I'd know :lol: ). I really appreciate your input Wayne, and that of all our friends who are "up" on the early obscure makes.
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Re: Another one to identify

Post by Rich Bingham » Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:19 am

Oops ! Double post :oops:
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Re: Another one to identify

Post by Dan Haynes » Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:21 am

Yeah, Stearns. The wheels look extra big and the tires extra thin in the old photo but, still, the rest of it looks Stearns.
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Re: Another one to identify

Post by TXGOAT2 » Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:27 am

Electric lights? Uncommon in 1913 period.


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Re: Another one to identify

Post by Dan Haynes » Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:21 pm

Electric lights were not uncommon in 1913. The Stearns in the color photo is a 1912 and the electric lights are original and correct as part of the factory electric self-starter/generator & storage battery package. Fords and other cars without electric starting equipment were still equipped with gas lights.
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Re: Another one to identify

Post by Mark Gregush » Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:24 pm

I have a toy car that, when I replaced the tires, they look about that oversized! Kinda reminds me of cartoons from the 20s and 30s, where the tires were way bigger than the wheel. :)
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Re: Another one to identify

Post by TXGOAT2 » Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:43 pm

As I understood it, the 1912 Cadillac was the first production car to have an electric self-starter and electric lighting.


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Re: Another one to identify

Post by Wayne Sheldon » Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:04 pm

Pat McN, Cadillac is credited with being the first 'practical' electric staring and lighting system. Legend has it that a sudden push was made to develop the idea after Byron Carter died of complications from injuries received crank starting a car (not his) that had stalled. Byron Carter was an automotive pioneer and engineer, founding partner of the Jackson Automobile Company, then founder and head of the Cartercar company. He was a personal friend of a few people in Cadillac management.
A lot of electric automobiles had electric lights going back to about 1900. Offhand, I don't recall details, however, several gasoline automobiles were offering electric lamps as an option about 1910. With only a battery, those electric lamps weren't very practical. Cadillac introduced Charles Kettering's system early in the 1912 model year. They made the licensing available to other automobile manufacturers within months (some say they believed it was too important to not share?). By midyear 1912, quite a few automobile manufacturing companies were offering the electric starting and lighting system as an option.


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Re: Another one to identify

Post by Rich Bingham » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:27 pm

Helping the thread to wander :lol: somewhere I acquired a "factoid" that posited one hurdle in the development of electric lighting for automobiles was the lack of a filament design that would withstand a lot of vibration - true or false ??
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Re: Another one to identify

Post by TXGOAT2 » Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:10 pm

I had not heard that about filaments, but it sounds plausible.


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Re: Another one to identify

Post by Dan Haynes » Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:34 pm

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Re: Another one to identify

Post by Herb Iffrig » Tue Jul 20, 2021 12:04 am

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Re: Another one to identify

Post by Rich Bingham » Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:33 pm

What a beauty ! I'll guess American Underslung ??
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Re: Another one to identify

Post by Dan Haynes » Wed Jul 28, 2021 9:47 pm

I was with this car again, 1912 Stearns-Knight with electric lights.
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Re: Another one to identify

Post by Rich Eagle » Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:02 pm

Thanks Dan. there is no doubt in my mind, you are right. This side by side shows that it is.
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Re: Another one to identify

Post by Dan Haynes » Sat Jul 31, 2021 8:45 pm

Ha, Rich, don't give me any credit - it was Wayne S. who ID'ed it first! I just agreed with him because, since I had spent the day with that one very recently, I knew him to be right! :)
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