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Post by Rich Bingham » Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:51 am

Identify, please ? Photo note says "Seattle, 1918".
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Post by Rich Eagle » Tue Jan 18, 2022 11:02 am

My first guess is a 1910 Detroit with a 1912 license plate.
Or could it be Clara Ford and her 1914?
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Post by ironhorse » Tue Jan 18, 2022 11:02 am

this looks close 1918 Detroit electric
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Post by ironhorse » Tue Jan 18, 2022 11:13 am

Maybe this is closer it's a 1916 Detroit Electric
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Post by Rich Eagle » Tue Jan 18, 2022 11:16 am

This one claims to be Clara's. "Clara Ford's 1914 Detroit Electric Model 47 Brougham"
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Post by BobD » Tue Jan 18, 2022 11:28 am

Rich E. your previous post certainly looks like this one. :) Looks very similar to the one Rich B. posted as well.
Note says Model 43 Detroit Electric. No year given.
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Post by Rich Bingham » Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:39 pm

Ive always been intrigued by the early electrics though I've never been next to one. Thanks for the responses, fellows !
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Post by Rich Eagle » Tue Jan 18, 2022 2:20 pm

They didn't change much from years to year. My wife can remember little old ladies still driving them around Pasadena when she was a kid. One showed up at the Jerome swap meet occasionally in the 70s. I was taken by the fenders looking so much like Model T fenders. When I built my garage in '83 a friend wanted to store the electric his father had in it. I had high doors and he couldn't keep it at home. I couldn't spare the space but wish I could have. He ended up without it for that reason but would have taken good care of it.
They give us some more perspective of what Model T days were like.
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Post by Burger in Spokane » Wed Jan 19, 2022 2:22 pm

For whatever universal law out there tells electric car makers this must
be done, it seems since Day One, they purposely make them as goofy and
unattractively proportioned as possible. What's up with the pumpkin carriage
look ? And the rolling fishbowl glass ? Certainly interesting from a historical
perspective, but I can never get past their ungainly looks.
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Post by TXGOAT2 » Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:10 pm

As for looks, I think the basic form followed function. Beyond that, the cabin portion looked a lot like many high end pre-1910 cars. People really didn't quite know what a motor car ought to look like. The electric cars of theat era look French to me, as if a Renault stylist may have had some influence. I don't recall seeing pictures of electric touring cars or other open cars. Perhaps limited range, power, and ability to withstand bad roads precluded anything but a town car type vehicle, intended for local service on pavement. Air cooled Franklins had the Renault look for a while, and then they added what had become a conventional looking hood and faux radiator, probably just to broaden market appeal.

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Post by perry kete » Wed Jan 19, 2022 5:43 pm

On Jay Lenos Garage series he drives an electric car around town. I believe it is a Baker Electric. It is worth watching the video on Youtube as they comment about the visibility with all the windows. If I remember correctly Jay comments about how he and his wife take the car out during the holidays to see the Christmas lights.
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Post by Burger in Spokane » Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:40 pm

I think you're right, Pat. French cars are notoriously ugly, to just
plain bizarre looking. Which begs the question, WHY ?

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Post by TXGOAT2 » Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:22 pm

Le escargot?

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Post by TRDxB2 » Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:52 am

Burger in Spokane wrote:
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I think you're right, Pat. French cars are notoriously ugly, to just
plain bizarre looking. Which begs the question, WHY ?
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Post by BobD » Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:07 am

TXGOAT2 wrote:
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As for looks, I think the basic form followed function. Beyond that, the cabin portion looked a lot like many high end pre-1910 cars. People really didn't quite know what a motor car ought to look like.
X2.

The Detroit Electric "look" was present in early gasoline cars as well. Below is Henry Leland's 1905 Cadillac Coupe "Osceola."


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Post by TXGOAT2 » Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:21 am

I believe that wind resistance was not a design factor with horse drawn vehicles with enclosed bodies. The same is mostly true of very early motor cars. As motor vehicles gained power and speed, people began to realize that comfort, appearance, and performance could be all enhanced by following some elements of yacht design. Progress in aircraft design also rapidly drove the move toward more aero-aware design in cars by demonstrating the power of aero drag at speeds above 20 mph or so. "Streamline" became the thing.

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Post by Rich Eagle » Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:52 am

I always liked that Coupe Bob. It's a lot of car for 1 cylinder.
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Post by Kaiser » Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:14 am

Frank, interesting you show the Citroën cars in your post on ugly french cars, yes they do have very 'different' styling compared to other European cars. :lol:
Fun fact; André Citroën was actually called Citroen, without the dots on the e, and he was the son of a wealthy dutch jeweller, he could not get financing for the cars he wanted to build, so he went to France where the car business was booming and decided to start a car factory there.
Citroen is the dutch name for Lemon, which shines a different light on the car of same name :lol: :lol:
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Post by DLodge » Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:37 am

Kaiser wrote:
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... Citroen is the dutch name for Lemon, which shines a different light on the car of same name
1. Hmmmmm. "Sap" is American slang for "A foolish or gullible person." So if a Dutchman buys a car that is known to be a lemon, does that make him a Citroensap"? :D

2. When I lived in Holland in the 1970s, I met a couple and we became friends. They had a son who was born at that time, and he is now in his fifties. He has made Citroëns his career (mostly 2CVs but if it's a Citroën, he's interested). I have owned three 2CVs (two while I was living in Europe and one after I came back to the US). If I ever win the lottery, I will probably contact Boudewijn and have him ship me another one.
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Post by Kaiser » Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:06 am

Hey Dick, the 2CV is sort of the Euro take on the T and has the same kind of appeal, i had one once, actually married in it, i really enjoyed it and drove the wheels off of it, here's a pic of one like it ;
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Post by DLodge » Mon Jan 24, 2022 12:44 pm

A Charleston. Nice.


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Post by Chuck Regan » Mon Jan 24, 2022 1:52 pm

Leo - I agree with your connection between Citroen and the Model T - Andre Citroen was a fan of Ford’s improved auto assembly line. There are pictures of Andre and Henry at Highland Park. Citroen converted his munitions plant to an auto manufacturing plant after Armistice Day to produce 250 cars a day - mass production in France in 1919.
This 1923 type C 5CV roadster uses a four speed sliding gear transmission (Citroen was a gear maker before WW1) to get the most from its 11 BHP engine, but the car screams Model T to me - the front axle looks right out of the T playbook. Interesting that this car has cowl fuel tank, functioning driver’s door and fully louvered hood sides three years before Henry’s improved T.
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Post by Kaiser » Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:49 am

Citroëns were ahead of their competitors in the engineering, and were surprisingly modern in their day and still are.
Some people like that, others are more conservative.
While the 2CV is a simple car, most Citroëns are definitely NOT
I owned several Citroëns in the past and really liked them for the way they drove, but for maintenance, now there's a different story...
I once had the pleasure to drive the top model Citroën SM to the south of France and back, it was like driving a flying carpet, it was so fast and smooth that after several hundreds of kilometers you stepped out as fresh and relaxed as you started out, it was really incredible, the SM was a cooperation between Citroën and Maserati, it had Citroën Chassis and bodywork with a Maserati engine, Citroëns were never simple cars but the engineering involved in the SM would make any mechanic a shaking mumbling wreck, to illustrate my point i enclose a picture of the engine bay of a SM :roll:
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Post by Kaiser » Tue Jan 25, 2022 5:58 am

Yes there IS a Maserati engine in there somewhere, if you look very closely you can just see part of one of the OHC covers with part of the Maserati lettering :lol:
Heres a pic of a Citroën SM, it looks like a space ship and was (and still is) quite radical in its styling, even for Citroën !
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Post by Kaiser » Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:17 am

Thread drift ?
Interesting side note: Citroën started out as a gear manufacturer, he bought a patent to produce V shaped gears and made it big with it, the gears are still in todays Citroën trademark !
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Post by DLodge » Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:36 am

Leo, I bought my first 2CV in Paris in 1968. It was a 1960 and pretty basic. (Speedometer cable drove the windshield wipers, the gas gauge was a very long dipstick, etc.) Interesting was the centrifugal clutch, which was only available on cars sold in France. It was convenient once I got used to it. The only car I ever bought new in Europe was a Citroën GS. Unfortunately, we decided within a year to move to the US, so I got to take the hefty depreciation of the first year of ownership.

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Post by Rich Bingham » Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:10 am

In this discussion of Model T era electric cars, it's especially relevant to note Inspector Jacques Clouseau of the Paris Gendarmerie also favored the Citroen. :lol: :lol:
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Post by TXGOAT2 » Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:32 pm

I didn't know they represented herringbone gears. I assumed they were meant to suggest goat tracks... but "cheval" is a horse, and "chevre" a goat, no? Or chevals deux? So what is a Chevrolet? A small goat?


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There is no berm in my rheume!

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Post by Kaiser » Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:48 am

Pat, you are right about the Cheval being 'horse' , Cheveaux being the plural 'Horses' like in Horsepower, it has to do with the French way of calculating the horsepower of a car for tax purposes, it has little to do with the actual horsepower delivered by the engine, but is a rather complicated formula to calculate in which tax range a vehicle should be taxed, so the lower the calculated horsepower, the less tax is due on the car. for instance the 60 hp Ford flathead V8 was 20 CV (hp) for tax purposes.
The inverted 'V' in French is called a 'Chevron' which, to add to the confusion, has nothing to do with either horses or goats but is used by the military for sergeants stripes :roll:
So i guess a Chevrolet is a rather undersized sergeant ???
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Post by Kaiser » Wed Jan 26, 2022 4:56 am

Dick, that is what we call 'een golfplaat eend' or corrugated duck, they bring quite a bit of money these days if you can find one in good condition, up to 10 to 12.000 € :o (around 15.000$)
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Post by Rich Bingham » Wed Feb 09, 2022 1:49 pm

Back to electrics, how about this Krieger Landaulette c. 1906 ?
French made, Monsieur Krieger gave up on electric autos in 1904. This one being enjoyed by the Hon. George P. Wetmore, former governor of Rhode Island, and his lady. Doubtless the machine's range was adequate for the state's boundaries. :lol:
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