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Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Sun Apr 10, 2022 11:26 am

Sis helping Dad to . . . ? An appealing photo, but what's the make and midel of the car ?? :lol: (No date or location for the pic)
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by perry kete » Sun Apr 10, 2022 11:39 am

It's the girl's job to readjust the headlight in a downward position while dad adds oil to the engine.

Could that be a Huppmobile?
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich Eagle » Sun Apr 10, 2022 1:33 pm

Although some of the distinguishing features are hidden I think it may be a 1921 or so Buick like this one.
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Post by perry kete » Sun Apr 10, 2022 1:50 pm

I'm still partial to it being a 1921 Hupmobile

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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by BobD » Sun Apr 10, 2022 2:17 pm

Engine appears to be an early '20's Buick judging from the water outlet pipe and valve cover. Per the engine photo from the link Rich E. provided. Hubcap looks like early '20's Buick as well.

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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by perry kete » Sun Apr 10, 2022 3:14 pm

The Hupmobile also had their plumbing running at an angle above the head.
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I also see a square back window and wide running boards.
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Post by Rich Eagle » Sun Apr 10, 2022 4:23 pm

I like Hupmobiles too Perry. Here is where I see the similarities to the Buick. The bead in the fender and no lip, the curve of the radiator shell and the hubcap. It even has the same bumper. I don't see a drum headlight or slanted louvers.
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Post by perry kete » Sun Apr 10, 2022 4:39 pm

Thanks Rich,

I need to train myself to look at all the details instead of just one or two features. I'm trying to learn but I'm a slow student. Thanks for pointing out the louvers, headlight, and fenders and other small features I need to look for.
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Post by Rich Eagle » Sun Apr 10, 2022 5:53 pm

It's easy to miss things. I had to edit this. I had posted a photo of a '20 which didn't have the door handles. Someone would have caught that I'm sure.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:38 am

I'm amused by the great similarity among cars of a given period. One can date photos within a couple of years from the cars. Teens, early 20s, mid-20s all have their own general "look". It's also fun to see the modern photos compared with the old ones. I'm not sure, but a proportional difference I think I'm seeing between the old and the green Buick could be the difference between a seven passenger and five passenger body ?

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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich Eagle » Mon Apr 11, 2022 12:09 pm

That's very possible Rich. Buick did offer the Model 45, 118" W.B. and the Model 49, 124" W. B. Both touring cars. I would think the distance between doors would be a noticeable difference. It seems 1922 was much the same but 1923 the fenders were crowned and they had drum headlights. Perhaps more like Perry's Hupmobile.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:16 am

Perhaps I should put all the identification problems I find in this thread, rather than start a new topic each time ?

This one might not be much of a puzzle. Clear view of the car, notes say, "Ames Sheep Ranch, Montaña, 1917".
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Tadpole » Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:34 pm

Looks like a Cadillac, although I am not sure the year or model, maybe 1914? Cadillac experts?

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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Tadpole » Thu Apr 14, 2022 2:37 pm

Looks a bit like this 1914 Model 30, photo taken from the interweb.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich Eagle » Thu Apr 14, 2022 3:39 pm

I agree with you Tad. '14 or '15 perhaps. The electric lights, new for '13 are definitely Cadillac. They are very unique.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Tadpole » Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:18 am

Mr. Eagle, those lights are definitely striking. I was waiting for you to reply as I knew you would be able to add important insight.
I will continue the thread with another mystery touring if anyone can solve it (photo is not mine, lifted from the internet).
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich Eagle » Fri Apr 15, 2022 1:30 pm

That's a good one Tad. I don't recognize it so far. Several are close but not a match.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Tadpole » Fri Apr 15, 2022 2:26 pm

I may start a new thread of some mystery cars for fun, rather than hijack Mr. Bingham's.


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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:43 pm

No need, Tad. You're very welcome to use this thread if you wish. Looking forward to more mystery !! :lol:
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Tadpole » Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:05 pm

Many thanks Mr. Bingham, the last touring posted was a 1918 Empire Model 50. Attached is a photo of the only current survivor I have yet seen.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Tadpole » Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:08 pm

Next we have this sedan, very unique windshield.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by ironhorse » Fri Apr 15, 2022 5:20 pm

Can I play too? :lol:
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Tadpole » Fri Apr 15, 2022 5:39 pm

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t that C.R. Patterson standing beside one of his Patterson-Greenfield chassis? No idea about the year though.

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Post by Rich Eagle » Fri Apr 15, 2022 5:46 pm

Absolutely, the more the merrier.
Yes it is Tad, the first Patterson automobile, the Patterson-Greenfield, rolled off the line on September 23, 1915.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Tadpole » Fri Apr 15, 2022 5:54 pm

I agree, it’s quite fun and keeps the names of these long lost marques and inventors alive. Thank you for the clarification Mr. Eagle, and thank you Mr. Cheshire for joining in!


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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:08 pm

I really enjoy seeing the odd rarities. They are often amazing examples of progress. Thanks to all of you for participating ! I'm not good at this game, but I love it ! Tad, the Empire is magnificent. Glad there is a survivor !! As usual, I haven't a clue on the sedan. Mighty interesting !
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Tadpole » Fri Apr 15, 2022 9:23 pm

It certainly is Mr. Bingham, the car sold recently although I do not know who its new owner is.

I’ll give a hint on the sedan for any interested, this car quickly began losing buyers due to its supposed drinking habits.

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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by ironhorse » Sat Apr 16, 2022 6:50 am

Tad that is Fredrick Douglass Patterson C.R. was his Father.
They were good looking and I would love to find one.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by TXGOAT2 » Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:53 am

Sedan? Wild guess: Marmon.

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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Mark Nunn » Sat Apr 16, 2022 9:46 am

I had never seen an Empire car. But I have seen an Empire tractor that was made in Philadelphia in 1946. I wonder if they are related.

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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Tadpole » Sat Apr 16, 2022 3:02 pm

Mr. Cheshire, thank you for sharing, I recognized the photo from an article I read about him and assumed he was pictured. I agree it’s a beautiful Machine!

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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Tadpole » Thu Apr 21, 2022 8:15 am

Last mystery sedan I posted was a Mitchell Model F Sedan, either a 1920 or a 1921. Mitchell was a decently popular make until they introduced their new swept-back body style with the Model F, which earned them the unfortunate name "drunken Mitchell".
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by TXGOAT2 » Thu Apr 21, 2022 8:43 am

The swept back look was all the rage in 1933-34. After mocking the first Chrysler Airflow models, the public bought similar cars by the hundreds of thousands in the mid to late 1930s. Then Hudson (again) showed the rest how to build a modern car. Today, everyone drives a hatchback egg or a 4X4 truck set 3 feet off the ground, and they all hoot at the "Smart" car driver. What will the next fad be? Anyone's guess is as good as anyone else's. We may see a stampede to Safe-T capsule cabin electric cars with 4 legs, no wheels, and sensor "eyes" on flexible stalks.


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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:13 am

TXGOAT2 wrote:
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. . . "Smart" . . . 4 legs, no wheels, and sensor "eyes" . . .
:lol: I have three ! They're great !! (Now I'll brace for a wave of sophomoric comments by those who don't know which end the oats go in, all focused on the scatological. )

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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by ironhorse » Thu Apr 21, 2022 12:33 pm

Oats? Haven't you heard it's Whiskey for my men, Beer for my horses!
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Thu Apr 21, 2022 3:45 pm

:lol: Over the past fifty years, I've owned eight horses, and rode or worked a dozen more. At some point with each one, some wag would suggest, "hey ! Horses like beer don't they ?" And so offer a brewski to the equines present. Some sniffed and turned away, others when forced with a "drenching" primptly spit it out and made faces. I have heard of ponies that would share your beer, but I've yet to encounter one. I do like the song, though !! :lol: :lol:
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by ironhorse » Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:11 am

Rich, I had a Shetland pony as a child (rescued by I and my Dad from Slipper Foot) He would not have anything to do with Dad's beer but don't go near him with a YooHoo chocolate drink. I miss Tarzan
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:48 am

You can sure get attached to the good ones. :lol: Yup. One thing the ponies like is sugar and sweet things ! Here's Babe's opinion of beer ! :lol:
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Post by Dallas Landers » Fri Apr 22, 2022 1:17 pm

I miss my horse. He was a pain in the A$$ but a joy to have around every day. He was 36 last spring when we had to put him down. I still have young horses here in the summer on pasture but no more wintering them for me.


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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Wed May 04, 2022 9:52 am

Photo is dated 1905, but you know how often notes like that may be wrong. The occupants of the car were identified, not the make or model of the car. Claims to be the first automobile in Salmon, Idaho.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Tadpole » Wed May 04, 2022 10:19 am

Looks a lot like this 1904 Peerless "Type 8", maybe a match?
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Kaiser » Wed May 04, 2022 10:47 am

I imagine the instructor with the gallon hat saying "Now driver, be Very gentle with that clutch " :lol: :lol:
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Wed May 04, 2022 11:11 am

Many similarities Tad, I'd say you nailed it. Anyone else ?
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich Eagle » Wed May 04, 2022 12:00 pm

I am sure you are right. Nice work. That's a tough one.
I had to look closely at the radiator to frame mounts to be sure. That and the rear fender curve convinced me.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Wed May 04, 2022 3:07 pm

Here's a fun one proving not all speedsters were Model Ts. Could be a tough ine to identify, although proximity to the Saxon dealership could be a clue ?
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by TXGOAT2 » Wed May 04, 2022 3:43 pm

Most likely a cone clutch... it would take finesse to avoid putting the peanut gallery in the road.

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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich Eagle » Thu May 05, 2022 12:42 pm

It is a Saxon. They were a funny little car. That radiator and hood are typical of them. This shows some details of one.
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Post by Tadpole » Thu May 05, 2022 12:53 pm

Their hood and radiator look a bit like a model T, if an elephant sat on one.


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Post by Rich P. Bingham » Sat May 07, 2022 11:41 am

Not too puzzling, except perhaps for the year model ? Photo note says "Challis, Ida. 1920".
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Post by BobD » Sat May 07, 2022 3:27 pm

I'm guessing ~1920 Buick.

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Post by Rich Eagle » Sat May 07, 2022 4:11 pm

That's another charming photo Rich. It's a Buick similar to the one we looked at at the top of this page. I believe the license plate is a 1920 as the photo implies. "IDA" was first used above the year on the plates in '20 rather than the whole word "IDAHO". Then again in '22, '23 and '24.
I couldn't tell what year as what I can see is pretty similar for several years back.
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"How in the world do I find another wheel bearing in Challis, Idaho?" the owner mourned.
About ten minutes later a local appeared delighted to see the old Dodge.
"I'm restoring one just like that." he smiled from ear to ear.
It turned out that he had good wheel bearings and lent one for the car to finish the tour. It was happily returned afterwards.
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Post by Rich P. Bingham » Sat May 07, 2022 8:15 pm

What a great memory, Rich !! It's what makes touring in old cars memorable!
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Thu May 12, 2022 11:00 am

Not a clue. Probably European, no place nor date. This feller looks plumb satisfied with his machine !
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Post by TXGOAT2 » Thu May 12, 2022 12:13 pm

That thing looks pretty capable. Looks like a motorcycle engine... has pedals... maybe an early factory trike?

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I believe it's a 1900 De Dion Bouton Tricycle much like this one;
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Post by Rich P. Bingham » Thu May 12, 2022 2:42 pm

Cuthbert Maddox, Saddlestring, Wyo., May 10, 1898 after reading an article in the "Chugwater Intelligencer" :

"Reckon I'd like to git me one o' them Frenchie Dyin' Buttons fer the ranch. Be mighty handy on the bed ground durin' calving."
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Fri May 13, 2022 8:20 pm

The Butter Krust Bread bakery had quite a fleet of delivery vehicles ! Year ? Make? Are they all the same ?
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Trying to find information on the Butter Krust trucks I found that this bakery was from all over the USA.
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Post by Rich Eagle » Sat May 14, 2022 10:44 am

Rich, the first three in your picture are Studebakers about 1915 or 1916. The next two are like the ones Perry shows. I don't recognize them so far.
Perry's second photo is a White. Maybe around 1927.
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Post by Rich P. Bingham » Sat May 14, 2022 2:01 pm

I wonder if those high-wheelers are International Harvester ? Thanks, Rich !!
Dennis, thanks for the info on "Butter Krust Bread" and the updated trucks.
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Post by Rich Eagle » Sat May 14, 2022 3:21 pm

Some Internationals and REOs had a similar radiator shape but these hoods are much longer. Apparently Butter Krust Bread started business in 1915 so the Studebakers were fairly new. The high wheelers must have been used vehicles at that time. I considered foreign makes but not likely in Sunbury Pennsylvania.
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Post by Rich P. Bingham » Sat May 14, 2022 3:32 pm

I see that, now. Yup. Much longer hoods. Any thoughts on the third van in line ? It appears to be quite different from the new Studebakers.
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Post by Rich Eagle » Sat May 14, 2022 4:55 pm

You looked closer than I did. It's bumper, headlight and front fender made me think it was like the two Studebakers. A folding windshield and beaded rear fender are good clues but not too much else is visible.
More to think about :).
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Post by Rich Eagle » Sat May 14, 2022 5:26 pm

RM Auctions had this 1907 Chase Canopy Express Truck ta auction in 2010. It looks more like the last two than anything I can find. There is not a lot about the case trucks and I don't see many like it. the hood looks a bit longer but I don't think it really is.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Sat May 14, 2022 5:59 pm

I think the third truck has a flat dash like a '13-'14 model T. Yup. Nothing much to see, other than I'm pretty sure it's not a new Studebaker.

Rich, I think you nailed it with the Chase truck. Earmark details are the same, only difference I can see is it appears the bread trucks are a longer wheelbase chassis, perhaps higher power and/or rated for heavier loads than the green one you showed us ?

"Chase" what a great name for a high-wheeler truck !!
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Post by Rich P. Bingham » Sun May 15, 2022 11:38 am

No date, no location. I doubt if there's enough showing to be able to identify this very early horseless carriage, but it's an interesting picture.
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It's one of the first White Steam cars Rich. About 1900
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Post by Rich Eagle » Sun May 15, 2022 1:12 pm

My clue as to the make of the car was the vent tube behind the seat. This shows it above the steam generator. The two cylinders are easily seen here too. I believe the two pumps are for water pressure and fuel pressure.
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Post by Rich Eagle » Sun May 15, 2022 2:21 pm

I though this appropriate here for any who have time to read it. It's from an April 1940 HCCA Gazette.
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Post by Rich P. Bingham » Sun May 15, 2022 7:23 pm

Thanks for that, Rich !! Not only for the ID but the wonderful HCCA article from 1940. That really had me going, as I recognized the name Rollin White (1820-1894) as the gunsmith who patented breech-loading cartridge firearms. Obviously not the genius behind the first White steam car ! I find Thomas White, who established the White Sewing Machine Co., had a son named Rollin, who used a corner of the factory to assemble his first steam car. Now I wonder if there isn't a close family connection between the gunsmith White, and the sewing machine / automotive Whites ! ?!? Anyone ?
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Post by Rich P. Bingham » Thu May 26, 2022 9:11 am

A toepedo ? 1911 ? 1912 ? RHD ??

Feller looks like he's all tangled up between the steering wheel and multiple top bows.
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Post by TXGOAT2 » Thu May 26, 2022 10:19 am

That looks like the Oilzum guy.

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Post by Tadpole » Thu May 26, 2022 10:50 am

I was quick to think it a Torpedo, but now I believe it is a Flanders Model 20.
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Nice work Tad. It definitely is a Flanders. It had me fooled as it is so similar to a '12 'T' Torpedo. The cowl and windshield rods nail it. They also used that 4-bow top.
Good work.
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Post by Tadpole » Fri May 27, 2022 7:56 am

I agree Mr. Eagle, his work and updates are nice to see.

Here is another machine to ID, I was excited to find this photo from the Detroit Library.
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Ah, Yes, the one cylinder Brush. Not often seen in the closed car version. The coil springs are a giveaway.
This gives a good look at the wooden front axle. The frame is also wood.
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Post by Rich P. Bingham » Thu Jun 02, 2022 1:58 pm

I think we got our __________ stuck real good this time !!

No date no place. Great looking side curtains !!
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Post by Tadpole » Fri Jun 03, 2022 7:25 am

Mr. Eagle, thank you for the Brush links. I was excited to find the photo of a closed cab Brush, I did not know they existed.

Mr. Bingham, that is a tough one but it may be a pre 1920 Mitchell. They are hard to find photos of.
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Tad, I believe you nailed it ! The photo is not good enough resolution to read the script on the radiator. All the salient details agree with Mitchell. Thank you both for the comparison pix !
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Post by Tadpole » Fri Jun 03, 2022 3:31 pm

Thank you for the opportunity Mr. Bingham!
Here is another mystery machine. I am not trying to look clever with this one, I really have not yet been able to identify it.
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That car is the "Cussalot" That's right everytime you try to start it ...you cuss a lot
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Tad, not that it's a requisite on this thread, but I have never yet posted a puzzle I've known the answer to ! :lol:

I hope someone can identify the "Cussalot" - what a wonderful beast that is !!
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Nice ID on the Mitchell Tad.
I think you have found a Panhard et Levassor. 1900 to 1902 maybe.
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Sunbeam, De Dietrich and others had the coils out in the air and little lid on top but Panhard used the similar hood and trim. I looked at a lot of them and there certainly were differences in louvers, knobs and sizes. I'm not sure they made two alike. :lol:
This one is missing the straps over the coil mountings. Most had them in brass.
The foreign makes are quite a puzzle to me.
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Here are a couple more Panhards to show the variations.
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Well done, Rich !! These earliest cars are fascinating. I love the looks of a "fuzzy radiator" :lol:
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I'm guessing that with the muddy road conditions of the period that those radiator fins got plugged up with mud and caused over heating issues.
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Post by Tadpole » Mon Jun 06, 2022 12:51 pm

Thank you much Mr. Eagle. I never would have thought to look at machines from the Old World.

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Here is another mystery touring, this one comes from the hills of my home state!
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Away down South? Maybe 1919.
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"Away down south in DIXIE!" (Dixie Flyer) Mr. Eagle at it again. I have read that in 1923 Associated Motors bought Dixie Flyer and rebadged them as National. Anyone happen to know any other brands under "Associated Motors"?

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There was the Sperling. It is pretty well unremembered.
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Post by Tadpole » Thu Jun 09, 2022 7:39 am

Mr. Eagle, that's a shame about the Sperling. I could find little online about it, but I like its tall hood.

Here is a glimpse in an old garage near me, while working out a deal for the 1915 runabout I spied the old Rambler. I was told it is a 1902, this is the only photo I took with it in the background, does it look like the real thing? Or more likely a replica? From the photos I can find of real Ramblers this one doesn't look quite right. But it has wooden wheels and a wooden body.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich Eagle » Thu Jun 09, 2022 1:56 pm

Thanks Mr. Glahn.
I would guess the Rambler is a replica. It looks like it's about 3/4 scale and the hood front doesn't slant back as much as the real thing.
I watched our friend Joe resurrect this 1903 Rambler. It is on my trailer as purchased. He also allowed me to cover the top for him on bows he made himself.
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This shows it's height compared to a Model T.
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It was such a pleasure to watch Joe put it together over a period of years while I was building my YPC bus and some other cars. He was brilliant in finding things for it over the phone before the internet. He stumbled on a brand new body made 8 years before for another guy who backed out of the deal. The price was a bargain by then. Having others working these projects certainly kept me on track much like this Forum does now.
Thanks for bringing it up.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Tadpole » Thu Jun 09, 2022 2:10 pm

Mr. Eagle, thank you for the story and pictures! That's what I feared about the Rambler, it also has a steering wheel not a tiller.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Thu Jun 09, 2022 9:12 pm

Here's a fun "action" shot. No place given, photo represented as 1910. The car seems to me it's later than that, but what do I know ?? I sure don't know what make.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by TXGOAT2 » Thu Jun 09, 2022 10:03 pm

1912 Cadillac?

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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich Eagle » Fri Jun 10, 2022 2:39 am

It's a little tough with the radiator obscured. However I believe it is a 1914 Cartercar. The windshield support mounts and the cowl lights seem to match this one as well as the bulbous cowl.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by TXGOAT2 » Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:11 am

Nailed it... again. I don't see how the friction drive could have handled wet/muddy conditions, and I'd think oil leakage from the engine would also give trouble. Other than that, it would have been great. I can't tell if the guy in the picture is demonstrating the car's ability to climb with a full load, or if he's stuck at the bottom of the hill with a slipping friction drive. Some early tractors had similar friction drives, so I suppose it could work well under some conditions.

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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich Eagle » Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:59 am

This was close to the last cars they made. They ceased production early in 1915. I imagine they got heavier each year and that caused problems. This discussion gives some insight.
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Re: Yet another puzzle

Post by Rich Eagle » Fri Jun 10, 2022 3:16 pm

Contrast the 1914 to this 1907 2-cylinder Cartercar. It has been on several west coast HCCA one and two cylinder tours and gone through a few owners.
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