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California without gasoline-burning cars?

Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 9:26 pm
by Tom Hicks
LOS ANGELES — California without gasoline-burning cars? The idea is starting to be floated.
A top regulator came close Thursday, but ultimately backed away from directly raising the notion of giving the boot to exhaust-belching automobiles, a staple of life in the freeway-happy Golden State for more than a century.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 699738002/

Just an idea now...

Re: California without gasoline-burning cars?

Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 12:37 am
by BobD
This is currently getting a lot of responses on the AACA forum. https://forums.aaca.org/topic/327013-ca ... ning-cars/

Re: California without gasoline-burning cars?

Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 7:33 am
by Henry K. Lee
Politics and engineering never mix well. With one in eight Americans living in Califuity, the electrical grid can not sustain the load let alone the power stations there are not enough by themselves.

How California transformed itself from a very decent user friendly state (I am a fifth generation Californian), to what it is today still blows my mind. My heart goes out for those of the real world.

All the Best,

Hank now in Tin-A-See

PS I left in 1982 and never looked back, I do love the state and my family history there. So sad!

Re: California without gasoline-burning cars?

Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 10:22 am
by Tom Hicks
BobD wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 12:37 am
This is currently getting a lot of responses on the AACA forum. https://forums.aaca.org/topic/327013-ca ... ning-cars/
Some see electric cars as coming, the wave of the future. Some see autonomous cars as the wave of the future. Some don't think gasoline cars will ever be replaced.


I think electrics are coming. Better batteries for longer rides, enough recharging stations, all possible especially since they pollute less and require less maintenance.


I think autonomous are coming. Once they overcome the first snags, develop sensors that can operate in the rain, etc, these cars will be safer than human operated vehicles. It will happen. There are those who say they will play with the autonomous cars and run them off the road, but these autonomous vehicles will have video of every vehicle around them and what they are doing. The law will take care of those who play in traffic.



I doubt that this means the demise of the gasoline powered vehicle for pleasure, but most find commuting tedious and do not want to drive in traffic everyday. They had much rather sit back and text while the autonomous electric vehicle takes them safely where they want to go.

Re: California without gasoline-burning cars?

Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 1:43 am
by 46woodduck
Soon everything will be controlled by computers and nothing can go wrong...go wrong...go wrong...go wrong...

Re: California without gasoline-burning cars?

Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 8:49 am
by Charlie B in N.J.
They do so many other things to screw themselves out there that this would not seem odd or out of place at all.

Re: California without gasoline-burning cars?

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:00 am
by ironhorse
I only have one question. How do you suppose they will replace the lost revenue from the fuel tax? Raise property taxes, Raise income tax, put another road use tax on electricity? maybe all three stand by for Government replacement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :twisted:

Re: California without gasoline-burning cars?

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:58 pm
by Victor Borg
I have 2 questions : 1...why would anyone want to live in California? 2...what will happen the first time some tree-hugging dummy freezes to death when he/she/it runs the battery flat in their all-electric vehicle when they skid off the beaten path in a roadside mishap in a snowstorm or some similar even,and need to stay warm while awaiting rescue by someone driving a gas or diesel powered vehicle hmmm?

Re: California without gasoline-burning cars?

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:58 pm
by Mark Gregush
Electric or gas, often the car has skidded of the road don't run well anymore, so it no longer matters in this part of the country. By time you go over the bank and crash into a few trees and rocks, well shit happens and people freeze to death in gas buggies too. Happens often enough around here, car goes off the road and can't be seen even though they are only a few yards away because of the undergrowth along the roads and steep slope, car and driver is found hours later. I think the last one, lady was trapped in car unseen for over 8 hours, she survived and that was on somewhat well traveled road.

Re: California without gasoline-burning cars?

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:15 am
by Deke
Victor Borg wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:58 pm
2...what will happen the first time some tree-hugging dummy freezes to death when he/she/it runs the battery flat in their all-electric vehicle when they skid off the beaten path in a roadside mishap in a snowstorm or some similar even,and need to stay warm while awaiting rescue by someone driving a gas or diesel powered vehicle hmmm?
I suppose that will never happen in a petrol-driven vehicle then...?

Re: California without gasoline-burning cars?

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:12 am
by Rich Bingham
It snows in Califunny ?!? :shock:

Re: California without gasoline-burning cars?

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:35 pm
by Dallas Landers
Sounds like parts of Califunny wont have electric power soon?

Re: California without gasoline-burning cars?

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:50 pm
by Burger in Spokane
Sounds like a big, fat mug of "Who Cares ?" Let those who choose to remain in California
complete the political mission of self-destruction in the bubble they have created, or allowed
others to create. In the interim, I am bummed over what has become of my home state, but
reality being what it is, I am powerless to do anything but cheer from the sidelines as I roll
my eyes in predictable (faux) disbelief over the BS California Culture spews out like a treadmill
ride of bad comedy. The fun never ends ... :roll:

Re: California without gasoline-burning cars?

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 6:45 am
by Tom Hicks
The economy of California is the largest in the United States, boasting a $3.0 trillion gross state product as of 2018.[9] As a sovereign nation (2017), California would rank as the world's fifth largest economy, ahead of the United Kingdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_California

"the world's fifth largest economy" !!!

Re: California without gasoline-burning cars?

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:27 am
by Tom Hicks
Dual Motor All-wheel-drive powertrain with dynamic suspension, as well as ‘300,000 lbs of towing capacity’.
https://electrek.co/2019/06/02/tesla-pi ... 8IfCYe3R_4

Electric motors sure have torque, that is why they are used for locomotives, but a pick up with ‘300,000 lbs of towing capacity’? I don't doubt the capability of the electric motors, but will the truck weigh enough to get traction?

Re: California without gasoline-burning cars?

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:44 am
by Rich Bingham
I have to put that 300,000 pounds into other terms to get a perspective. That's 150 tons, or roughly the gross vehicle weight of four 18 wheel semis fully loaded . . . I don't think that outfit could tow them. :shock:

Re: California without gasoline-burning cars?

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:56 am
by Tom Hicks
One man and a 27 ton tractor trailer...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs95_Q4eXRc

Re: California without gasoline-burning cars?

Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:59 pm
by 46woodduck
The fun fact is that the electric grid is already overloaded in Califunny. When everybody goes electric think of whats going to happen when they all get home from work and plug in their cars.

Re: California without gasoline-burning cars?

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:48 pm
by tdump
The sad part is that anything that happens in California will follow the jet stream and spread like a virous to the bulk of the country in a few years.If it is not stopped there,the rest of the country will suffer.I really do wish those folks out there would put all their heads together and fix the homeless problems there and the lack of resources they allready suffer from before finding ways of stressing the remaining resources like electricity.
What folks don't thing about is our reliance on oil is what helps us to live without serious restraint.The resources come from other parts of the world where they are not needed. OIl can be had from alot of places besides the US. Electricity, well, if we don't make it here,none of our neighbors have a excess they can send down here or up to us. We would do without unless ALOT of solar panels and wind mills go up. Power plants of any type have been so heavly regulated they can't build them fast enough to keep up with demand if they planned 100 nuclear plants starting tomorrow.
Lithuim batterys. Great things. But no one thinks ahead of their nose here.
At this time the "bad guy" is BIG OIL.20 years from now,if we all went with the new ideas presented, "BIG LITHIUM" would be the bad guy. As in the folks supplying it,would control the economy just as big oil does.Lithium suppliers would dictate range and lenght of charge just as folks claim they control gas mileage now.

Re: California without gasoline-burning cars?

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:35 pm
by PDGx
Did you see the DA’s are now banning Natural Gas in Berkeley ?

Where do they think their electricity comes from ?

Re: California without gasoline-burning cars?

Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:14 pm
by Burger in Spokane
WAT ???

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Sounds like Stage 4 SFB Syndrome amongst the few, and a passive majority not
pushing back.

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Re: California without gasoline-burning cars?

Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2019 5:02 am
by Erik Barrett
I believe that Governor Newsome and and his cronies in the State legislature truly believe if they passed a law mandating the sun not come up tomorrow, that it would not! Who do these freaks think they are? We are a very long way from independence from fossil fuels, regardless of legislation.

Re: California without gasoline-burning cars?

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:12 am
by babychadwick
Thats a wonderful idea but they need to add to it no power generation from fossil fuels. As well as no importation of power!

Re: California without gasoline-burning cars?

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 12:57 pm
by tdump
Everything I ever hear in the news about california is more regulations,or more stupid laws pulled out of someone's skid marked underware.
The sad thing is the Jet Stream might pick up some of this disorder,or virous,germ,disease,or whatever it is that is killing common sense out there and spread it to other parts of the country.

Re: California without gasoline-burning cars?

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:27 pm
by Burger in Spokane
Sorry, .... too late !

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Re: California without gasoline-burning cars?

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:45 pm
by tdump
Oh my, A Occasional Cortex has the virous! :shock:

Re: California without gasoline-burning cars?

Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:17 pm
by Burger in Spokane
Bad news, Mack .... it gets worse. There are more of them. 🌈 🦄 🎉 🌈

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