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Post by ivaldes1 » Wed May 12, 2021 11:28 pm

I am intrigued by this purpose built trailer http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/50 ... 1223858517 that looks like it was built specifically to haul a Model T. Are there plans available to build something like this? My van can only do 3500 lbs towing capacity so a hefty car hauling trailer is out. The one in the picture looks lightweight.

Or can these/have these been made into a T hauler? https://www.harborfreight.com/1720-lb-c ... 62647.html
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Post by Dan McEachern » Wed May 12, 2021 11:57 pm

You are in Texas- go check out the trailers from Big Tex. I've used a 16ft Big Tex landscape trailer for a T car hauler forever and its worked out great.

https://www.bigtextrailers.com/landscape-trailers

mine is the equivalett of a 70TV.


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Post by Les Schubert » Thu May 13, 2021 12:59 am

Makes me think of the trailer I built in a couple of evenings to haul home my first model T in 1974. Towed it about 1200 miles round trip with my 1974 Volvo (company car)!! The trailer was even lighter I think. Eventually sold the trailer and I kind of regret it. I still have the 27 T roadster though. LOTS of miles on it. Same engine and since 1978. Pulled some shims twice!


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Post by ModelTWoods » Thu May 13, 2021 1:21 am

I've phoned Ignacio and given him my two cents of advice which was: 1. I wouldn't have a single axle trailer if a tandem axle could be had for nearly the same money. 2. Single or tandem axle, I wouldn't have one with smaller than at least 14" wheels and tires, Reasons: the smaller the wheel and tire, the more revolutions it has to make to cover a given distance, thus more heat and wear. Secondly, two axles and four wheels are safer than one axle and two wheels. If you have a flat or blow out on a single axle trailer, you'd better say your Hail Marys and prayers.

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Re: Lightweight Model T Hauling Trailer?

Post by ivaldes1 » Thu May 13, 2021 1:37 am

This aluminum one from Norther Tool costs more but weighs only 186lbs https://tinyurl.com/6yhu48we


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Post by Allan » Thu May 13, 2021 5:01 am

Terry, have you had prior experience of a blowout on a single axle trailer?

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Post by Kaiser » Thu May 13, 2021 5:57 am

That trailer in the picture looks kind of 'dainty' to haul a longbed pickup on, it may work fine at TT speeds but i wouldn't haul it at highway speeds behind a van... :shock:
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Post by FreighTer Jim » Thu May 13, 2021 6:32 am

I tow at an average speed of 60 mph.

Even at that relatively low speed a tire blowout
could destroy the wheel & probably cause the
trailer to possibly flip.

I should start taking images of busted @ss
single axle trailers sitting by the side of
the road damaged to the extent that
they are not roadworthy …. 🤔


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Post by TXGOAT2 » Thu May 13, 2021 9:53 am

The wheels on that very nice trailer are probably from a 1930's Chrysler. I'd think that trailer would be fine for moving a T being pulled by a TT at TT speeds on good roads in level country.


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Post by jeffstag » Thu May 13, 2021 10:04 am

My advice is to get the biggest, most heavy duty trailer you can reasonable afford and/or pull. As soon as you have a trailer, you'll find more things that need to be hauled. It's like as soon as you build a garage, you suddenly find more things that need to be stored in it. Here's an example of a compressor I needed to move with my Model T hauling trailer.
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Re: Lightweight Model T Hauling Trailer?

Post by John Codman » Thu May 13, 2021 10:07 am

As to the OP - I have a 16' enclosed trailer that weighs about 2,200 lbs. I think that if you chose a 14' enclosed trailer you might find that you could still haul your T and be right around 3,500 lbs gross weight. Although my rig comes in a bit above 3,500 lbs loaded and I usually haul it with my Chevy pickup where weight isn't an issue, I have towed it with my passenger car that is also rated at 3,500 lbs with no problems. I just tow "gently", as after contacting the car's manufacturer I found that it's the transmission that is the limiting factor as to tow weight.


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Post by ModelTWoods » Thu May 13, 2021 12:44 pm

Allan wrote:
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Terry, have you had prior experience of a blowout on a single axle trailer?

Allan from down under.
Yes, Allan, and it was even a trailer made from a 1970's short wheel base Dodge pickup bed, frame, and rear sxle. It even had 15" wheels and tires. Fortunately, even though it got "squirrely" with me I was able to maintain control and get off the roadway. The main reason why I see many single axle boat, pontoon, ATV, or even lawn equipment trailers on the side of the road, is from hub and bearing failure which can't be fixed as easily as changing a flat tire.
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Re: Lightweight Model T Hauling Trailer?

Post by John Codman » Thu May 13, 2021 1:38 pm

I too would like to weigh in on trailer blowouts. I had one when towing a race car at about 60mph. I had to do a bunch of driving and wound up in the center strip facing in the opposite direction from which I was travelling. It turned out that a Massachusetts State Police cruiser was behind me; the officer said that it was "the most interesting piece of driving that didn't result in an accident" that he had ever seen.
I would probably tow a T or a TT with the rig in the OP, but not with a modern car at modern speeds.

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Post by RustyFords » Thu May 13, 2021 1:54 pm

I'd be nervous as a cat hauling a car (T or otherwise) at highway speeds on a trailer like the one in your OP.

I was a little kid, riding with my dad (around 1974) in his 1970 Chevy pickup, hauling a single axle open-top (with a canvas cover) horse trailer with two horses in it. The trailer blew a tire, the trailer spun the whole rig around, the truck and trailer rolled over. We were both relatively unhurt and the horses were wearing their saddles....which saved them. The saddles were skinned up, but the horses were pretty much unhurt.

I bought John Mays' aluminum trailer. It's 16'.....which makes it just barely able to haul a moderately sized 1950's era car (with some of the car hanging off the back) and the perfect size for a Model T.

When he told me he was selling all his old car stuff, I immediately let him know I was interested in the trailer.

So...my advice is to buy an aluminum trailer. They weigh A LOT less than a steel version and the fact that they're aluminum makes the detachable bits, like the fenders and ramps, much easier to move around.

As a side note: I'd love to have an enclosed trailer, but 1) I really like this trailer and 2) I'm cheap. So...my plan is to tig-weld a removeable aluminum frame for this trailer that I can make a custom-fitted cover for.....making it look sort of like a low-slung conestoga wagon.
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Re: Lightweight Model T Hauling Trailer?

Post by Les Schubert » Thu May 13, 2021 2:28 pm

Don
I had a converted 3/4 ton ‘80’s Ford truck with a “beaver tailed” flatbed. Ultimately made 5 removable bows from ridgid conduit and had a fitted tarp sewn up. The tarp was held on with straps and had zippers on both sides of the back.
The bows fitted into sockets. I could erect it in 10-15 minutes. A bit of the best of both worlds!!

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Re: Lightweight Model T Hauling Trailer?

Post by RustyFords » Thu May 13, 2021 2:41 pm

Les Schubert wrote:
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Don
I had a converted 3/4 ton ‘80’s Ford truck with a “beaver tailed” flatbed. Ultimately made 5 removable bows from ridgid conduit and had a fitted tarp sewn up. The tarp was held on with straps and had zippers on both sides of the back.
The bows fitted into sockets. I could erect it in 10-15 minutes. A bit of the best of both worlds!!
That sounds ideal. Do you have any photos of it?
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Post by Dave1 » Thu May 13, 2021 2:50 pm

A single axle trailer should be fine, provided you adhere to the load rating of the axles and the tires.
A model T at an average of 2000 lbs is not a huge amount of weight.
Just think of all the single axled boat trailers on the road, Interesting that trailer tires in our neck of the woods are only approved for 5 years, I know this gets neglected by the best of us at times.

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Re: Lightweight Model T Hauling Trailer?

Post by RustyFords » Thu May 13, 2021 3:11 pm

Les Schubert wrote:
Thu May 13, 2021 2:28 pm
Don
I had a converted 3/4 ton ‘80’s Ford truck with a “beaver tailed” flatbed. Ultimately made 5 removable bows from ridgid conduit and had a fitted tarp sewn up. The tarp was held on with straps and had zippers on both sides of the back.
The bows fitted into sockets. I could erect it in 10-15 minutes. A bit of the best of both worlds!!
Sorry to hijack your thread Ignacio....

Les...I also plan on making a smaller version of this same top for my little utility trailer. It was built in 1951 out of 1937 Ford bits. My 66 F100 loves it...and asks all the time if we can pull it. ;) The original builder (my dad's friend's father) placed the wheels a bit more forward than he should have, but the added spare and careful loading provide plenty of tongue weight to prevent it from fish-tailing.
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Post by TWrenn » Thu May 13, 2021 4:26 pm

Trade the van in on a 4-door pickup (NOT a "super cab" type), get a DUAL axle open trailer with at least 15" wheels and you'll be happy and safe. Not knowing the reason for owning a van, I can only assume a 4-door pickup will not only haul what you need comfortably and safely, but also provide the interior space you need in your vehicle.
Here's what I tow my 8.5'x 20' trailer which is tall enough to keep the touring top up. Great investment.
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Post by Allan » Fri May 14, 2021 5:05 am

There-in lies the nub of my argument. If a trailer gets squirrely, it is not loaded correctly. It has little to do with the fact that it is a single axle trailer. The same can happen with a tandem axle unit.

If a single axle trailer spits the bearing/hub, again, it is nothing to do with being a single axle unit. That is caused by lack of maintenance, and is quite prevalent in occasional use trailers, either single or tandem axle.

I Run 14" light truck radial tyres on my car trailers. I have had two blowouts on my single axle trailers, both at the legal highway speeds. One was with a good ton of tools and T spares going to an interstate swap meet. My wife heard the bang and enquired about it. We just slowed down, pulled over and fitted the spare. No dramas!
The second was on a recent interstate trip to a National Rally in Queensland. I'd run the near side wheel over a poorly maintained roadside edge in country Queensland a few miles before, and I suspect this had damaged the tyre. When it went bang, I had to drive a short way to find a place to safely pull off the road, by which time the tyre was shredded. Again, I just jacked the trailer up and fitted the spare. The only drama was to my wallet. I had to buy a replacement rim and tyre at Dalby so I had a spare to come home on.

I can understand he need for tandem axles under some of the huge enclosed trailers some of you use, but a well maintained single axle trailer is quite adequate for safe transport of any T model.

Others obviously have different opinions.

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Post by Kaiser » Fri May 14, 2021 5:59 am

For bbetter insight of why a trailer starts to get 'squirrely' have a look at the "Tail wagging the dog" topic in the OT section.
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Post by Allan » Fri May 14, 2021 9:32 am

I neglected to mention a most important component in my towing package, electric brakes on the trailer axle. The controller unit I use is infinitely adjustable to the load on the trailer. When empty, the brakes can be tuned out to hardly work at all, while when loaded they can be adjusted to brake in advance of those on the towing vehicle. This means the trailer will brake heavier under load, actually dragging the tow vehicle into line in a heavy stop.

This set-up can be used to control "squirreling" on a poorly loaded trailer by braking in advance of the tow vehicle, helping to pull the two into line, rather than the trailer trying to bulldoze the tow vehicle down the road as surge brakes do.

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Post by NorthSouth » Fri May 14, 2021 11:08 am

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Ignacio,
Check out the Aluma, 7712 Heavy Duty Utility Trailer. 750 lbs. My T is another 1,500 pounds. My Chevy Equinox tows 3,500 lbs. The trailer has just enough bed space for a Pick-up style utility box to be mounted up front to keep all my trailer straps, blocks, chains, etc. It has served me very well.
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Post by Russ T Fender » Fri May 14, 2021 4:42 pm

Henry Austin Clark refused to pull a tandem axle trailer because he believed that they were unnecessary and caused flat tires. His theory was that the first tire set the nail up and the second tire got the puncture. Makes sense to me especially since in all my years of pulling a tandem axle trailer I have never had a flat on the front axle but my fair share of flats on the second axle. He hauled some pretty heavy iron with a single axle trailer. I believe the secret to trailering is tongue weight, not the number of axles assuming of course that applicable load weights are not exceeded.


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Post by John Codman » Sat May 15, 2021 10:05 am

I think that the idea that tandem axles cause flat tires is silly. The same philosophy would apply to motorcycles and semi-trailers (as well as cars). The only reasons for having a flat tire on a trailer are road damage, worn tires, under rated, or old tires. If the tires are more then seven years old you should retire (pun intended) them.


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Post by Colin Mavins » Sat May 15, 2021 10:54 am

Bigger is always better our first trailer was a single axle trailer and worked well,but would not haul a 1947 Chrysler. The second trailer is two axle 10000 lbs capacity , can haul anything, Same as the Garage in town we had a large 2car, at the farm we have a 40x60 with 2 floors ,it took Dad 40 years but he filled it to the max.5 years later Im still finding Treasure. Im doing better than Oak Island. lol cheers Colin

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Post by Oldav8tor » Sat May 15, 2021 11:07 am

I have a 14 foot (16 feet with the angled nose) 7 foot wide enclosed trailer that I haul my '17 Touring in. It weighs 2172 lbs empty. I don't know what your T weighs but if you go with 1300 lbs that adds up to 3472 lbs. It has tandem axles, 15 inch wheels and electric brakes. I've hauled it thousands of miles with no issues.

My opinions:
1.) You don't want a trailer that has the minimum weight rating to haul your Model T.
2.) It should be long enough that you can position your T to properly load the tongue.
3.) I believe in tandem axles - tires can fail for lots of reasons and losing a tire on a single axle, heavily loaded trailer can be catastrophic.
4.) I hate small tires on a trailer. If you're going 70, they're going over a hundred. Anytime I've driven north on I-75 I've passed a few trailers on the side of the road with either shredded tires or destroyed bearings.
5.) Your ability to stop and control a trailer is often determined to a great extent by the weight of the vehicle towing. My 8000 lb van has no trouble stopping a trailer like mine, with or without trailer brakes. If your tow vehicle weighs 3500 lbs then stopping a no-brake 3500 lb trailer would a little more difficult.
6.) Speaking of a 3500 lb towing capacity - If you go a little over it isn't a big deal as long as the hitch is capable and the tow vehicle not too lightweight. Just don't get crazy.
7.) Before I bought my enclosed trailer I was looking at a tandem axle open trailer made of aluminum. I was planning on using it to haul my 1952 Army Jeep (2500 lbs.) It would replace an old steel tandem flatbed that was showing it's age. When I bought the T I decided instead to find an enclosed trailer because of my concern that exposing a T to the wind at freeway speeds could be damaging. A lot of guys use open trailers with no problems but I felt better going enclosed. One of my concerns was if I was traveling a great distance and staying at motels that having the Model T under lock and key was better than leaving it exposed to possible theft or vandalism while I slept.

You've gotten lots of opinions on this thread...sort thru them and make your choice. Good luck!
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Post by Cordes_jeff » Sat May 15, 2021 11:46 am

I built the trailer in the original post. It tows fine. It has a modern axle with electric brakes. I have three sets of tires/wheels in different styles depending on which tow vehicle I use.
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Post by TXGOAT2 » Sat May 15, 2021 11:48 am

All of my motorcycle flats have been on the rear. I've wondered about the flip-up effect suggested above in a situation where the front tire and back tire are close together.

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Post by TRDxB2 » Sat May 15, 2021 12:19 pm

Possible Short cut - buy a used "boat" trailer with the desired size, axle and weight criteria and build a deck on it. Steel/aluminum prices are on the rise
Don't forget the ramp needed to get the T on any trailer you consider.
Also, depending on model a Brass T weighs between 940 lbs for a chassis and 1200 lbs for a touring. so your max trailer weight needs to be 2,000lbs or less.
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This is the trailer we built it will haul any car we have the top is plywood and steel tubing for wire with a canvas top
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Post by Dennis Prince » Sat May 15, 2021 6:30 pm

A friend just sent me a picture of his new trailer, it looks like a nice light aluminum trailer.
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Post by Allan » Sat May 15, 2021 6:57 pm

Dennis, I like your friend's new trailer. If he can winch/drive up to the toolbox, the tie downs are at a nice steep angle and there is no "pull" on the axle, as the car meets the toolbox. If he can easily slide the axle front and aft to adjust for varying loads, he has it nailed.

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Re: Lightweight Model T Hauling Trailer?

Post by Craig Leach » Sat May 15, 2021 9:21 pm

I personaly like the idea of a light, low, single axle trailer. I borrowed a very nice single axle trailer from a club member to tow my speedster to Santa Clara once( 750 miles ) towed like a dream. Almost forgot is was back there. The next time I towed my tandem not near as much fun. I need the tandem to tow my MF (scraper & loader) I built a single axle trailer once with a 7200# axle & electric brakes to tow my circle track cars. I built a truss under it that came down below the wheels so if you had a flat it would not drop enough to make it unstable. Never had to try it out! As far as flats go I had both left side tires blow on my tandem at the same time. I was towing with a 1 Ton dulie crew cab. Was not fun at all, fortunatly a expiriance with a horse trailer taught me to carey two spares all the time. I have a single axle utility trailer ( Made in the independant republic of Txxxs )I would never haul my T on it . When I retired I hauled my tools home on it scared the Sxxt out of me. Darn thing is was like towing a dish rag that weighs 2000#. IMHO a well built sincle axle trailer designed to hall a T and propperly loaded should be no issue. I do suggest brakes & two spares.


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ivaldes1 wrote:
Wed May 12, 2021 11:28 pm
I am intrigued by this purpose built trailer http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/50 ... 1223858517 that looks like it was built specifically to haul a Model T. Are there plans available to build something like this? My van can only do 3500 lbs towing capacity so a hefty car hauling trailer is out. The one in the picture looks lightweight.

Or can these/have these been made into a T hauler? https://www.harborfreight.com/1720-lb-c ... 62647.html
I'm intrigued by the truck, on the trailer.... Pretty much what I'm looking for. :) Even the truck pulling the trailer, would be useful to me.


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Re: Lightweight Model T Hauling Trailer?

Post by bud delong » Sun May 16, 2021 9:13 am

Last weekend we went with friends to a tractor swap meet and hauled a golf cart on a single axel trailer! Yes a tire blew out and because of no weight we made it home safely with no dammage other than the tire. The rig was not mine and i do not believe in a single axel! Bud. :oops:


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Re: Lightweight Model T Hauling Trailer?

Post by JimDix » Sun May 16, 2021 10:47 am

When I first had my 1913, 1995, I bought a Trailex open car trailer fabricated from Aluminum Extrusions. Four wheels, brakes all around. It served us well, we towed it with a Ford Aerostar van. Had tonneau cover, and removed the lights and covered the radiator. The arrangement worked well until my wife and I became uncomfortable climbing around attaching the tonneau, so it was time for a Tahoe and enclosed trailer.

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Re: Lightweight Model T Hauling Trailer?

Post by TRDxB2 » Sun May 16, 2021 12:04 pm

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A friend just sent me a picture of his new trailer, it looks like a nice light aluminum trailer.daves trailer.jpg
Model on the trailer tongue is UT12 very neat ramp https://www.google.com/search?client=fi ... aluma+ut12
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Re: Lightweight Model T Hauling Trailer?

Post by Mark Chaffin » Sun May 16, 2021 12:51 pm

I picked this one up off Craig's List for $1,200. Best money I've ever spent. Look around. Good deals are out ther
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Re: Lightweight Model T Hauling Trailer?

Post by kmatt2 » Sun May 16, 2021 2:03 pm

While I wouldn't recommend building a car trailer like this today, my frist trailer was a 20 year old used single axle, no springs or trailer brakes. The trailer was built in the late 1950's to haul a Ford flat head V8 dune buggy. After new tires, rewiring the lights, checking and repacking the wheel bearings it was frist used to haul a Model T Speedster. Over the next 25 years that trailer would haul various Ford Model T's and Model A's. It would make several trips from Fresno Ca and Fullerton Ca to northern Oregon and a trip to southern New Mexico to bring back a Model A. The key in all the miles was to always check the tires for condition and pressure, replace when needed, plus keep the towing speed below 60 mph even in States where higher towing speed was legal. I sold a Model T with that trailer to a new club member who needed a trailer and know that it continued in use for atleast another five years.

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Re: Lightweight Model T Hauling Trailer?

Post by ivaldes1 » Mon May 17, 2021 3:43 am

It is an Aluma UTR12. It looks fabulous. The ramp rolls into the underside of the trailer. Retail new looks like nearly $4K.
TRDxB2 wrote:
Sun May 16, 2021 12:04 pm
Dennis Prince wrote:
Sat May 15, 2021 6:30 pm
A friend just sent me a picture of his new trailer, it looks like a nice light aluminum trailer.daves trailer.jpg
Model on the trailer tongue is UT12 very neat ramp https://www.google.com/search?client=fi ... aluma+ut12
traler.png


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Re: Lightweight Model T Hauling Trailer?

Post by bud delong » Mon May 17, 2021 8:40 am

Going cheap may very well be a higher cost in the end!! Bud. :oops:

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