KC Warford std vs KC Warford TT/ speedster?
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KC Warford std vs KC Warford TT/ speedster?
Is anyone running a KC Warford for a TT/ speedster and do you know how it compares to the standard geared KC Warford? I am looking at putting one in a 26 roadster with 4-1 gears and a Ruckstell. I have a Ruckstell in it already and I have a 26 touring with a KC Warford. I like them both but therey are both missing something for the type of driving that I do.
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Re: KC Warford std vs KC Warford TT/ speedster?
Dennis -- I believe the TT-geared version is the one that KC Warfords had when they were first made. It had a lower-speed low gear, compared with a Ruckstell. After hearing many complaints from customers, Layne changed the low gear ratio to be the same as a Ruckstell, which is just right. I had one of the earlier ones in a '15 Touring and didn't like the lower gearing. I can't imagine why you'd want it in a speedster, unless you had 3:1 rear gears in it. BTW, the newer KC's (non-TT ratio) are wonderful when linked to a 4:1 rear end in a regular T. But of course you could go faster (if that's your goal) in a speedster with standard 3.64 gearing. And mated with a Ruckstell, you'd have plenty of lower gears anyway. Twelve forward gears? Do you really need that many?
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Re: KC Warford std vs KC Warford TT/ speedster?
Mike, The TT/Speedster trans has close to the same as a Ruckstell in underdrive and the overdrive is 23% overdrive where the standard trans is 17% (if my hobo math is correct). I don't need all of the gears but this is the only way to get what I need. We do a lot of rough road creeping and my leg gets tired holding it in low.
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Re: KC Warford std vs KC Warford TT/ speedster?
I have driven Ts with both original Warford and several with the KC version.
I find tHe original Warford to be very noisy, certainly would not recommend for a closed car. The gear change is very heavy and often quite difficult. The ratios were ok but that was with standard Ford gearing.
The KC version is superior in every way. It is fairly quiet, some whine is overdrive, it’s easy to use, just a touch on the clutch pedal and it’s in gear. The ratios on the Ts I have driven convince me that the KC is best used with the standard Ford axle ratio. I drove one with 3:1 and it lugged on overdrive.
I suspect that with a light car you’ll prefer the 3.63 to the 4:1 axle ratio.
I find tHe original Warford to be very noisy, certainly would not recommend for a closed car. The gear change is very heavy and often quite difficult. The ratios were ok but that was with standard Ford gearing.
The KC version is superior in every way. It is fairly quiet, some whine is overdrive, it’s easy to use, just a touch on the clutch pedal and it’s in gear. The ratios on the Ts I have driven convince me that the KC is best used with the standard Ford axle ratio. I drove one with 3:1 and it lugged on overdrive.
I suspect that with a light car you’ll prefer the 3.63 to the 4:1 axle ratio.
Tony Bowker
La Mesa, California
1914 Touring, 1915 Speedster, 1924 Coupe.
La Mesa, California
1914 Touring, 1915 Speedster, 1924 Coupe.
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Re: KC Warford std vs KC Warford TT/ speedster?
I have driven Ts with both original Warford and several with the KC version.
I find tHe original Warford to be very noisy, certainly would not recommend for a closed car. The gear change is very heavy and often quite difficult. The ratios were ok but that was with standard Ford gearing.
The KC version is superior in every way. It is fairly quiet, some whine is overdrive, it’s easy to use, just a touch on the clutch pedal and it’s in gear. The ratios on the Ts I have driven convince me that the KC is best used with the standard Ford axle ratio. I drove one with 3:1 and it lugged on overdrive.
I suspect that with a light car you’ll prefer the 3.63 to the 4:1 axle ratio for normal road use. For the rough stuff you like, you will probably prefer the 4:1
I find tHe original Warford to be very noisy, certainly would not recommend for a closed car. The gear change is very heavy and often quite difficult. The ratios were ok but that was with standard Ford gearing.
The KC version is superior in every way. It is fairly quiet, some whine is overdrive, it’s easy to use, just a touch on the clutch pedal and it’s in gear. The ratios on the Ts I have driven convince me that the KC is best used with the standard Ford axle ratio. I drove one with 3:1 and it lugged on overdrive.
I suspect that with a light car you’ll prefer the 3.63 to the 4:1 axle ratio for normal road use. For the rough stuff you like, you will probably prefer the 4:1
Tony Bowker
La Mesa, California
1914 Touring, 1915 Speedster, 1924 Coupe.
La Mesa, California
1914 Touring, 1915 Speedster, 1924 Coupe.
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Re: KC Warford std vs KC Warford TT/ speedster?
I'm running a KC Warford with a 4.1 diff. in my 27 Tudor. It is a great combo for running in the mountains of Montana and Idaho. We do a lot of logging road over the mountain type driving and the gearing is just right for both off or on highway. The KC is pretty quiet also.
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Re: KC Warford std vs KC Warford TT/ speedster?
Hi, I had a '24 TT with an iron Warford, I stopped driving about 3 years ago and my Son has it now. At first the Warford was extremely noisy in under. I pulled the rear end and tranny and put a used set of 5-1 gear set in the axle. I located a used Warford with a good gear set, but the bearings looked suspicious so the lady in the local bearing house found a complete set for me, one bearing at a time!!! I had worked the engine over quite a bit, 0.280 regrind, removed the magneto, put splashers on the flywheel, Kosser's E-timer, Stromberg OD1 Carb from Uncle Stan and Z Head. It would cruise at 40 MPH and one time I reached 51.7 when the governor took over:::White knuckles. I then fell in love with the KC Warford and had to have one. It peaks out about 41 or 42. But it pulls hills much better. I also am very satisfied with Jack Rabbit Clutch and wood bands!
Sincerely, Jim Weir
Sincerely, Jim Weir