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Re: Hay wagon to Speedster Project.

Post by ivaldes1 » Sun Jan 03, 2021 3:49 pm

Coming back together again. If I get the wheels painted I may have a roller soon.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:47 am

Wheels are sanded and in position to paint. Will do some small void filling and begin painting.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:23 am

Trying out Zinnser outdoor wood oil-based primer and Penetrol for the spokes. The plan is to sand it with 220 then prime again.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Sat Jan 23, 2021 6:29 pm

After lots of picking, filling imperfections with Bondo Glazing and Spot Putty, sanding, Putty, and sanding again the wheels are now primed, hopefully top coating tomorrow. I did the oil based wood primer but I don't think I will do that again in the future. Some of it gets on the rim and hub and then it is a real pain to get off. I hope we are done with the wheels this weekend. I think I will have a rolling chassis this week. The wheel bearings ($$$!) tire inner tubes and flaps are here but the tires are not arriving until March per Lang's. The brass windshield support rods are ordered from Gilbert's Metal Products 10816 Saint Louis Dr, El Monte, CA 91731, Phone: +1 626 448 3251 so they should be arriving in a few weeks.

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Post by ivaldes1 » Thu Jan 28, 2021 12:07 am

And the wheels are finally painted. Wow that was a lot of work. I will let them sit for a week to cure.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Tue Mar 30, 2021 3:02 am

One wheel completed I think. See attached.

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Re: Hay wagon to Speedster Project.

Post by ivaldes1 » Sun Apr 04, 2021 4:41 pm

Three wheels are on. Back to the drawing board on one front wheel because the 'Bimel' does not look like it fits. First fender test fit.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Mon Apr 05, 2021 11:22 pm

I finally got around to harvesting the 26-27' rear brake rod levers (unobtainium) from 2 donor differential halves. Using good (expensive) metal bits makes a big difference.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:30 am

Putting on the brake levers, brake shoes, picked up the custom running 'boards' from the cutting board maker, spare tire is ready.
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Post by John Warren » Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:21 am

Ignacio, your project is coming alone nicely. Thank you for sharing. I have a question about the brake shoes, they have a different lining that I have seen before. Where did you get them? On my race car, the emergency brake shoes are my only brake. The lining looks more modern and may be a better lining than I am running. Thanks again.jw
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Post by ivaldes1 » Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:39 am

Hi John, these are 1926-27 big hub shoes from Lang's part number 2566B. Thanks!
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Ignacio, your project is coming alone nicely. Thank you for sharing. I have a question about the brake shoes, they have a different lining that I have seen before. Where did you get them? On my race car, the emergency brake shoes are my only brake. The lining looks more modern and may be a better lining than I am running. Thanks again.jw

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Re: Hay wagon to Speedster Project.

Post by Duey_C » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:29 pm

Ooh, I can't wait to see those cutting boar.... umm running boards in place. They're sweet!
Some cool lookin' brake shoes.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:56 pm

John just to clarify those are the brake shoes only. They need to have the liner 2566D put on.
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Hi John, these are 1926-27 big hub shoes from Lang's part number 2566B. Thanks!
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Ignacio, your project is coming alone nicely. Thank you for sharing. I have a question about the brake shoes, they have a different lining that I have seen before. Where did you get them? On my race car, the emergency brake shoes are my only brake. The lining looks more modern and may be a better lining than I am running. Thanks again.jw

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Post by John Warren » Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:40 pm

Thanks Ignacio, I will give them a try. Keep at it! jw
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Post by ivaldes1 » Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:47 pm

The new unfinished 21 inch wheel is here to replace the Bimel wheel that just barely did not fit. This wheel fits but I am going to have to wait to clean, strip and paint it until I get more parts to do that need finishing. I will probably put it on for now to get the chassis completely rolling. The side and rear lamps arrived in the mail and I received more small parts and fittings from Lang's. I have one side brake rod installed and working, my other side brake rod may not fit and is missing a clevis so I will have to wait for that to arrive to complete the brake rods. I found out from John Tannehill that shoes are insufficient for 26-27, that I need to buy and rivet on brake linings. Doh! Another Lang's order.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Sun May 09, 2021 10:27 pm

We have a Body: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=20724&p=160236#p159007

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Post by kmatt2 » Sun May 09, 2021 11:28 pm

Ignacio, If you are using a brass radiator and the later type firewall brackets you should make sure to mock up the hood, hood former, and hood shelfs. Make sure you can open the hood with out hitting the fire wall brackets. I see you have them mounted like a 1926 car, that might work to clear the hood, I don't know. The stock 1917 to 1923 brackets for a wood firewall are diffrent thain the later brackets due to the wood firewall thickness. You may need to mount the firewall brackets like the 1917 and later cars or go to the repo 1916 or earlier brackets and drill the frame to mount them. Your car is coming right along, keep up the good work.


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Post by Allan » Sun May 09, 2021 11:38 pm

I see the firewall is not bolted to the brackets. That is good. First you need to get your hood former and see where it fits. You may find that your vintage brackets may need to be swapped from one side to the other to fit under the former.
Also, the firewall needs to be cut out above the frame rail, enough to allow the pan ears to slide forward when removing the motor for any reason. otherwise the firewall will need to be lifted if ever the motor needs to come out.

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Post by ivaldes1 » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:08 am

More progress. The skirts are welded, ground, stripped with Citri-strip then phosphoric acided and ready to paint. My amateur weld job should not show with the body on. The wire brush wheel on the grinder is very effective but flings steel hairs at me. Stripped paint goes everywhere too. I had to wash the other cars and garage door afterwards so that thrown bits of stripped paint don't strip the other cars and garage door. Some of them penetrate the skin on my legs like some weird acupuncture that I discover attached to me later and have to pull out.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:10 am

Also I think the skirts are reproductions because they aren't skanky enough to be 100 years old and I doubt someone would hack odd pieces of steel out of an original set of skirts like was done.

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Post by babychadwick » Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:48 am

I'll be hanging around in Houston for a few days and pulling the engine on my speedster to reseal the hogshead and replace bands and springs while Im at it. Maybe we could say hi
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Post by ivaldes1 » Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:38 am

She rolls! Got past the Bimel wheel saga. Did the bearing grease ziploc bag of iniquity on the front two wheels so we now roll! Also worked on the seat. Stripped the Bondo, relminated the pieces that were coming apart. Pulled tacks and nails. Filled the holes with wood filler. I pondered the threaded sockets no doubt for a top but what plugs into the sockets and what kind of top? on the Mystery seat.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:39 am

More pictures.
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Post by RustyFords » Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:42 am

The day they become a roller is a big thing....one of the major milestones.

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Post by ivaldes1 » Sun Aug 08, 2021 2:18 am

The seat looks like porcupine quills. Those are toothpicks dipped in wood glue and pushed into the old tack holes so that the new tacks will stay firm. They will be clipped off when dry then sanded down. I didn't want to wreck the 1912 body I have by modifying it as a Speedster body. It also has some delamination issues to repair and paint to strip so I am just building a new body which so far isn't too difficult.
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Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Sun Aug 08, 2021 8:43 am

ivaldes1 wrote:
Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:38 am
She rolls! Got past the Bimel wheel saga. Did the bearing grease ziploc bag of iniquity on the front two wheels so we now roll! Also worked on the seat. Stripped the Bondo, relminated the pieces that were coming apart. Pulled tacks and nails. Filled the holes with wood filler. I pondered the threaded sockets no doubt for a top but what plugs into the sockets and what kind of top? on the Mystery seat.
The sockets on your seat are indeed for top bows. Have a look at photos of Buicks from the 1910ish era. They used these sockets. Maybe your seat is from a Buick?

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Post by ivaldes1 » Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:28 am

The fenders running board, firewall, steering wheel, steering column, hood former, headlight buckets and gas tank are back from the body shop.
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A lot of the details of the body are ready, holes are filled, ready to prime.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:35 pm

Body is wood primered and sealed now. I turned it upside down to paint which was probably a good idea.
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Post by Poppie » Sat Aug 21, 2021 5:38 am

Ignacio,
Just following up on your speedster build and noticed an error regarding the rear brake photo dated Monday April 12 2021 1.30am.
I feel that you have the brake lever (could be off the other side) in the wrong position.
In the off position the lever should be close to the axle tubes to give the lever full purchase on the brake shoes.
Others may think different. Keep up the good work...n.


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Post by speedytinc » Sat Aug 21, 2021 2:22 pm

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Ignacio,
Just following up on your speedster build and noticed an error regarding the rear brake photo dated Monday April 12 2021 1.30am.
I feel that you have the brake lever (could be off the other side) in the wrong position.
In the off position the lever should be close to the axle tubes to give the lever full purchase on the brake shoes.
Others may think different. Keep up the good work...n.
Good catch. there are right & left cams. They got switched.

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Post by ivaldes1 » Fri Sep 03, 2021 7:26 pm

Thanks, I have not riveted them yet so can still switch. Are you saying the brake lever lobe is supposed to face the rear of the car?
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Post by ivaldes1 » Fri Sep 03, 2021 7:27 pm

Lots of parts painted and am beginning re-assembly.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Fri Sep 03, 2021 7:32 pm

I think the steering wheel came out well from I started with.
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Post by kmatt2 » Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:50 pm

Ignacio, I see in the rear cross member picture that the spring center bolt head isn't in the cross member. Make sure when you do the final chassis assembly that the front and rear spring center bolts go threw the spring pads and into the cross members. This is what keeps the chassis centered.


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Post by Poppie » Sat Sep 04, 2021 12:42 am

ivaldes1 wrote:
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Thanks, I have not riveted them yet so can still switch. Are you saying the brake lever lobe is supposed to facee the rear of the car?
The brake cam lobe faces the front as in the photo but the actuating lever should be facing to the rear towards the axle tube when the whole unit is riveted together, as John (speedytinc) mentioned you could have the cam on the wrong side of the car....n

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Post by ivaldes1 » Sat Sep 04, 2021 11:22 pm

The coil box and coil boxes are in. Brass trim is on. Fitting the fenders and running board. The wood body comes back from the painter Wednesday.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:05 am

Body is back from the painter. Still test fitting...
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Post by ivaldes1 » Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:31 am

Starting to look like something...
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Post by Duey_C » Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:08 pm

Good heavens Doc! Starting to look like something I guess!
Gorgeous!
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Post by ivaldes1 » Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:52 am

After cutting the odd non-original gadget off, the spare tire carrier went on which really makes the car. Lots and lots of holes drilled today to get the body, fenders and floor boards fitted and bolted on. These are must get right the first time holes too which made me anxious. The rear fender hangers took a lot of thinking and drilling to get on. One looks bent and is making the fender tilt. I destroyed 2 $14 Milwaukee and Dewalt cobalt bits fabricating the two steel body supports that hold the rear fender hangers on good. I could get about 6 holes bored in the steel before they quit. They over-heated in the drill press despite keeping oil on them and trying to go slow. Only 2 mistakes drilling I think/hope which I will be filling and painting over. Oops! Otherwise it is really coming along. The gas tank mounts do not fit. I will probably need to make my own mounts. I will be taking the whole thing to Ross Lilleker on Friday to get an engine put on.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Fri Sep 17, 2021 1:34 am

Rear deck lid is on. I used a brass piano hinge pretty much perfect size as purchased. I will put in a floor later for storage. Spring loaded eye hook will hold the front down.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:51 pm

Horn is back from the music shop after polish and repair. I used a brass Hillman bushing as a connector, the music shop put a cork seal on to make it detachable and it worked well.
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Exhaust and muffler are in place. Fuel line is next.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:52 pm

Muffler from the rear view.
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Really looking like something now.


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Post by kmatt2 » Fri Sep 17, 2021 11:16 pm

Ignacio, Your car is looking good. I went back to look at the frist page starting point pictures and all your, and your boy's, hard work has brought you a long way from the hay wagon start.

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Post by ivaldes1 » Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:54 am

Thanks all, could not do this without all the help. More pictures, gas tank mount. I used 2 bicycle inner tubes scissor cut on one side then wrapped it around the tank, brass strap on top. I think it looks good. I still need to paint the mounts. Fabricating the mounts has been a lot of work.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Sun Sep 19, 2021 1:33 am

Getting the lamps ready to put on.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:12 am

I built a bracket out of angle iron. I shortened a rim bolt for a good tight fit in the ear on the spare. Cut the bolt, put a washer on then welded all around the junction of the washer and the bolt. Then I cut a piece of angle iron and drilled it to match the holes on the license bracket. The prototype looked good enough so the paint is drying now. The bolt is lying on a cardboard box, the other carriage bolts in the background were poked through holes in the box to stand them up and not paint the threads. They have just been painted and are drying. The license holder is going to be at a bit of an angle towards the front of the car. I can put some washers on the back side of the tip side mount to make the license plate look straight.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Tue Sep 21, 2021 1:48 am

Headlights are fully assembled and tested working. The new reflectors from Lang's look great. LED bulbs. The left fender is straight now after I changed out a bent fender hanger. The tank is finally truly installed and tied down after much fitting, sanding, painting and bolting. The battery is in, the fuel line is in. Getting closer! Hopefully the seat will be finished upholstering by Wednesday.
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Post by kmatt2 » Tue Sep 21, 2021 4:38 pm

Ignacio, From the picture it looks like it will be ok, but just in case it is not, check to make sure that you can remove the spare tire with out bending the mounted license plate. You can use those extra holes in the top of the spare bracket to mount your stop light if you need a separate stop light.

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Post by ivaldes1 » Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:29 am

Fleur de li.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Wed Sep 22, 2021 11:23 pm

All the bolt heads are painted and on. The body, fenders, and running boards are on tight, hopefully for good. JT pointed out the rear fender tilt, they are tilted symmetrically in the same way on either side so I am just going to leave it that way for now. Upholstered seat back Thursday night. Friday I am off to College Station, Tx to visit Ross Lilleker and get the power plant installed.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Sat Sep 25, 2021 1:30 am

Quite an adventure today. I trailered the speedster to Ross Lilleker's in College Station, Tx for installation of a motor. It went well all done in 1 day. It now runs and drives well! No longer a hay wagon, back to being a Model T. So far so good. Watching Ross work was like watching a surgeon.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Sun Sep 26, 2021 1:38 am

The seat is on. The motor shelves were surprisingly difficult to put on but they are on and...the radiator leaks a lot and one side the hood former and hood fit, the drivers side is off about a half an inch. Not just the radiator hole, the radiator is not flush on the frame from the front, but also the motor shelves which is weird because the holes are factory.

Next up will be cut outs on the floor boards for pedals, brake, and starter switch, then side lamps, horn, wiring the lights and I think that's it.
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Post by Duey_C » Sun Sep 26, 2021 2:35 am

Goll, Doc that car is beautifu...wait a sec.
I'm a dumb dumb and don't recall spit. Is that genny grounding wire up to the manifold on the output of the cutout?
I'm wrong more than right yet might it be on the input to the cutout? Chastise at will. Too thicked skin to get an owee. :)
Man, what a gorgeous project.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Sun Sep 26, 2021 2:44 am

Thanks Duey she is a fair lady. That is how Ross wired it for now so I presume it must be right. The idea was for me to later ground it properly.
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Goll, Doc that car is beautifu...wait a sec.
I'm a dumb dumb and don't recall spit. Is that genny grounding wire up to the manifold on the output of the cutout?
I'm wrong more than right yet might it be on the input to the cutout? Chastise at will. Too thicked skin to get an owee. :)
Man, what a gorgeous project.

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Post by ivaldes1 » Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:16 am

Now that the engine is in, I can cut out the pedal slots. The saw kind of got away from me at one point but filler, touch up paint, and the floor mat should cover it. :(

The lights are on! The side lamps and horn are on!

Will try to get the leaking radiator fixed.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:58 am

It was a struggle to get the floor boards cut and fitted but they are on. I don't have the little metal piece to cover up the arc in the firewall above the hogshead. I need to raise up the starter switch peg some, it already has the extension on it. Horn and side lights are on.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:03 am

Except for a few details I think it is done. And it is fast for a model T.
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Post by JTT3 » Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:55 pm

And to think it started like this!
Well done my friend!
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Post by ivaldes1 » Wed Sep 29, 2021 11:36 pm

Thanks JT couldn't have done it without you and the rest. Some more details today. Lame attempt at glamor photo. Fire extinguisher is mounted. Tail light works. Wearing all its brass bling now.
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Post by Duey_C » Thu Sep 30, 2021 12:43 am

Doc, give a guy a crazy idea...
So very nice. :)
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Post by Dallas Landers » Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:40 am

Before and after. Love it. Now all that hard work can be enjoyed. What a nice look. Have fun and keep us posted on your adventures.

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