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Hay wagon to Speedster Project.

Post by ivaldes1 » Sun May 24, 2020 2:14 am

The hay wagon made out of a late Model T chassis found in a Farmer's field has been purchased. It will make its way from Ennis, Tx to Houston to be turned into a Model T Speedster. The fenders, splash aprons, and running boards are in Johnston, PA purchased but not picked up: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12817&p=96062#p96062 Other than that it basically needs everything.
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Post by Dallas Landers » Sun May 24, 2020 6:27 am

Should be easy to get home, it already has a tow bar and the rear tire is only flat on the top. :D

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Post by Henry K. Lee » Sun May 24, 2020 6:55 am

Really Dallas! Everyone knows one or the other, square wheels or round ones, never mix them as they never track correctly.

The cool thing is most start this way. My 1925 Boat-Tail started from my Dads rust pile of parts in Montana.

Good Therapy!

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Post by Rich Eagle » Sun May 24, 2020 9:24 am

Hey, that's great. Perhaps we will see some photos of the progress. It reminds me of a couple others but I didn't take photos along the way.
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Post by tdump » Sun May 24, 2020 11:43 am

As you know,I love projects like this! You got a good deal on those fenders.You can't ship new 1's for that price,much less buy them!
Post progress pics!
And do check the front axle for bends and holes.The wagon conversion I picked up years back had holes in the axle.
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Post by HPetrino » Sun May 24, 2020 12:48 pm

Very cool project. A little gas, oil, starting fluid -you'll have it running in no time. :lol:

Good luck with it!! We'll expect to see progress photos.

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Post by ModelTSpeedster » Sun May 24, 2020 1:20 pm

That is how my T speedster began its rebirth in 1968 central Texas. Many of the cotton farmers of the early years stripped their worn out T's down to the chassis, added a towing tongue and used them to haul cotton from the fields. At the time, I figured if they could make a trailer from a Model T then I could make a Model T from a trailer. Here I was negotiating with the farmer and in the background is the trailer I ended up using. We were sitting on a TT my brother and I were fixing at the time.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Sun May 24, 2020 3:12 pm

Thanks for your support. The original pictures and comments are in this thread: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/82 ... 1546080974 'Pre-1917 leaf springs'. Love it.

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Post by Henry K. Lee » Sun May 24, 2020 4:29 pm

Looks like Don Meadows one from Nashville.

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Post by ivaldes1 » Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:31 pm

Frank, the former owner who says that the hay wagon came with the farm when he bought it 57 years ago so its origin is unknown.
Possible captions for the other are: 1) How much is this going to cost. 2) Needs work, and 3) my personal favorite: ran when parked.
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Post by tdump » Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:54 pm

A 2020 version of "The Thinker". :D
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Post by Duey_C » Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:42 pm

Oh no.
I know how this is going to turn out...
A Dr's Speedster... Ignacio, this'll just dig up controversy. :lol:
Eh hem.
I can't wait to see any progress here!
I'm up to my neck in OT things so you're gonna get me again on a speedster project! Like the axle project...
Hehehe!

I'm gonna be very happy for you and I'll threaten to fly down there so I can have a ride. :)
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Post by Henry K. Lee » Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:00 pm

Hey Waggin’ we call that here in dim dar hills.., “a happy dog”!


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Post by Chad_Marcheese » Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:32 pm

Good start and you have more to start with than I did. Hopefully that 4 dip pan is good enough to use and not rusted out.

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Post by ivaldes1 » Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:56 pm

Transformation has begun.
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Tires for sale only 57 years on them.
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Home at the garage.
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Hay wagon u-brackets are off.
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Rear is looking like a T again.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:27 pm

More pictures and questions.

It is not a hay wagon anymore. All of the trailer type hardware is off. I did not have to cut anything off which was great. Pretty sure the front axle is bent. Yes those are $7 Harbor freight small furniture movers under the rims they work great. The oil pan looks ok in the pictures but it is toast, swiss cheese.
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I do not know what to do about the front frame corners. That shape does not look original but I am not sure what shape to make it or how. Both front frame corner sides have the same bent-looking shape. Also the front spring clamps seem to be missing. I don't see that Lang's sells them for earlier than 1916 what am I missing?
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Post by StanHowe » Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:34 pm

That's the fun way to do it.

I also like your Corvair in the background. 63?? 64?? I'm trying to round up the money to buy a 61 Lakewood wagon that I've been drooling over. She wants too much money for it but on the other hand, how many of those do you see?? Not many!!

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Post by ivaldes1 » Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:38 pm

1964 Corvair Monza Coupe "Lisa" is her name. I learned how to weld on her. Lots of Model T'ers have the Corvair affliction and vise versa.

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You can do it !!!! Great to see a model t will not hurt in the process.
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Post by Duey_C » Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:36 pm

Look at that. Ya drag a T indoors, even without an engine block, and it starts leakin' oil! ;)
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Post by Chad_Marcheese » Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:47 pm

ivaldes1 wrote:
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I do not know what to do about the front frame corners. That shape does not look original but I am not sure what shape to make it or how. Both front frame corner sides have the same bent-looking shape. Also the front spring clamps seem to be missing. I don't see that Lang's sells them for earlier than 1916 what am I missing?
That is a late 26-27 frame. Those corners and the extended rear crossmember (with the flange on the bottom edges) are the dead giveaways. You might possibly find the frame number too, it would be on the passenger rail, on top, in the vicinity across from where the parking brake quadrant would be. I'd be surprised if it didn't have a number on it...although I had a frame that was numberless, but it was the early style 26 also.

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Post by ivaldes1 » Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:32 am

Have dismantled it a lot and found surprises.

One of the hub bearings was shot. It had been basically turning on grease only for who knows how long:
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Spindles are worn, one looks ok the other not.
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Enough thread left for this to work?
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10 spring leaves probably to level it as a hay wagon. The top one is intact and I can use it for the bottom set which has a broken tapered top leaf:
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Perches are out of the axle. The perch nut was so corroded it had to be cut off. There was no nut on the other side of the wishbone, just a cotter pin.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:40 am

Corroded nut on wishbone. Nut and bolt were so corroded that it had to be cut off to be removed.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:39 pm

We've decided to keep the chassis more or less 26-27 and from there up be more or less 1916 style.

Today we continued taking things apart. Opened the differential. Disintegrated Babbit, missing aircraft wire, pulverized detached bolt, good Hyatt bearings, sludge. A great time by all. My children helped me remove rust from the chassis.

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Post by Duey_C » Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:42 am

WTH? How'd you get those perches out? That's neat!
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Post by Allan » Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:59 am

That spindle thread is past being usable. It looks like it has had model A type front outer bearings rather than the threaded, more expensive T model items.

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Post by StanHowe » Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:04 pm

You're a long ways from Montana but if you need some stuff come on by. I have half a dozen chassis better than that I would give you, piles of front and rear axles, wheels, stuff and miscellaneous.
We are going this week to pick up some frames and T stuff to keep them from the scrapper and there is still a lot of stuff in Montana just laying around in scrap yards and piles.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:02 pm

Twenty tons of persuasion :-) I cut the corroded nut off with a angle grinder without damaging the wishbone. That freed up the wishbone, then put the axle on a 20 ton press and 'tong, tong' sounds and out they came. I had to do the bad one twice though because the threaded side mushroomed so I pushed it back in cut the mushroomed head off and re-pressed it.
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WTH? How'd you get those perches out? That's neat!

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Post by ivaldes1 » Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:04 pm

Much obliged on your offer, maybe I will take you up on that one day but this chassis has sentimental value to the farmers family which is why I am fixated on it.
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You're a long ways from Montana but if you need some stuff come on by. I have half a dozen chassis better than that I would give you, piles of front and rear axles, wheels, stuff and miscellaneous.
We are going this week to pick up some frames and T stuff to keep them from the scrapper and there is still a lot of stuff in Montana just laying around in scrap yards and piles.
Most of it isn't worth much and nobody wants it bad enough to come get it.

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Post by ivaldes1 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:03 am

I inspected the differential thrust pins today: 5 are sheared off. Going to be fun drilling them out...

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Post by ivaldes1 » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:29 am

Chassis including the differential is mostly dismantled. I save everything including things that are probably useless. Box of parts:
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Post by RustyFords » Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:54 am

Neato Ignacio!

I may have some bits and pieces that you can use, from my parts chassis.
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Post by Wayne Sheldon » Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:04 pm

"I inspected the differential thrust pins today: 5 are sheared off. Going to be fun drilling them out..."

Probably just pressed in and not hardened steel. Sometimes once the drill bit begins to bite in, the remains of the pin just spins out. At least in the housings, the pin is stepped, with the base much larger than the what secures the thrust washers.
If they are stuck, many recommend drilling about a quarter inch in. Then tapping the pin base for a number ten machine screw and using the screw to pull the pin base out. I find they usually come out fairly easy.
The differential carriers, I don't know. I don't think I ever needed to repair those. Always had good ones.

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Post by ivaldes1 » Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:21 pm

Springs are taken apart. On my first model T it took me days to figure things out and hours to push worn bushings out. I also couldn't afford the bushing tool. This time it took me about 40 minutes to push out bushings on 3 sets of springs. These will get cleaned up and painted hopefully soon.
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Post by Allan » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:56 am

Ignatio, you will not need that many leaves in the rear spring of a speedster. Because there are three bends in all but the top two leaves, they have to nest together properly to be effective. You should decide which leaves are required and bolt them together first. If there are gaps anywhere, ideally the leaves should be reset so they nest together.Sorting out which ones you need first will save you some work.

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"I inspected the differential thrust pins today: 5 are sheared off. Going to be fun drilling them out..."
If they are stuck, many recommend drilling about a quarter inch in. Then tapping the pin base for a number ten machine screw and using the screw to pull the pin base out. I find they usually come out fairly easy.
The suppliers have a kit , a centering tool, drill, tap, screws and instructions,(Guide is no longer included) you likely have t he items in your work site. https://www.modeltford.com/item/2531BT.aspx Caution is not to drill to deep
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Post by ivaldes1 » Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:27 am

Yes it looks like 2 sets have been doubled up and I am missing the one with the rolled end that holds the clamps. Sigh.
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Ignatio, you will not need that many leaves in the rear spring of a speedster. Because there are three bends in all but the top two leaves, they have to nest together properly to be effective. You should decide which leaves are required and bolt them together first. If there are gaps anywhere, ideally the leaves should be reset so they nest together.Sorting out which ones you need first will save you some work.

Hope this helps.
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Post by Allan » Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:38 am

Only the early round and tapered end springs had a leaf with the turned up ends. The chopped end types had a clamp with a separate bolt which passed under the spring pack.

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Post by ivaldes1 » Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:12 pm

Big box o parts and tools came from Lang's today. This is my second time to rebuild a differential, the first time January 2017 you can read all about the adventure here: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/70 ... 1490798775

Let's just say it was not easy the first time. This time the sleeve removal and thrust pin removal took me about an hour. It took me much longer the first time. I also lost some of my manliness when I botched the thrust pin stump removal and had to punt to a machine shop. This time I ordered the removal kit and It went very smoothly. All 4 pins came out, no trip to the machine shop this time.

Hyatt bearing sleeve coming out with the removal tool. Putting it into a vise helps a lot to stabilize and allows you to pull as you twist.
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Thrust pins out with the removal kit, well worth getting. I wonder what kind of drill bit is in the kit because it goes through steel much faster than my bits do.
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I cleaned the holes out with a Q-tip and the new pins went right in.
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Post by Henry K. Lee » Tue Jun 23, 2020 10:30 pm

Please take the time to reinspect those pin settings.

If those pin steps are not level with the internal machined housing surfaces, a big problem will occur. I have never seen any replacements that fit perfect without some grinding/sanding of the back side. Just Sayin'!

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Post by Allan » Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:00 am

Ignatio, I think the concerns about the fit of your pins centres around that shoulder in the pin. That shoulder must be level, or even a bit below, the surface into which they are fitted. Otherwise the steel washers will not sit on that surface and your bronze thrust washers will not be able to perform as they should. The same applies to the pins in the diff centre halves.
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We don’t want you to be where others have been, premature failure!

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Post by ivaldes1 » Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:26 pm

Ground the rivets off to remove the brake backing plate to reveal nice insect larvae and webs. Having difficulty removing the brake cam bushings see other thread discussion 'Thin Bushing Removal'.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:10 pm

First sandblast bid is in, way too high right now, need to get some more.

Getting cleaner on the differentials. The process: Kerosene scrub twice. Broke up the grease lumps inside the tube with a piece of steel pipe. Ran through a round toilet brush with a string attached multiple times. Taped a side off with blue tape, put some kerosene in, tennis ball on the other side, shook it around. Drain. Finished off with Castrol Clean Up and water hose using a screwdriver and steel brush to get the remaining crud out of the crevices and the last of the gasket material off. Where the Hyatt bearing sleeves were is rough textured, I wonder if that is normal?
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Beautiful right spindle arrived, looks like new. The old one was a repurposed wrong side that was beat up.
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Post by Duey_C » Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:46 pm

Some of my axles look like that with rough cuts taken, boring those sleeve-surface inside diameters.
Certainly no expert at all but I'd say quite normal. Guys?
When my best axle tubes came back from getting cooked out, there was a bunch of dry crud left in the tubes, I grabbed a piece of 1/4 or 5/16 rod, bent a U in the end and used the drill to clean. EDIT with the brush.
If it works, that's the right way to do it (Dave Gingery).
The pic turned out good! One of my worst looking, bent axle tubes.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:48 am

I have an appointment with the sand blaster tomorrow so I sped up the pace a bit. Dismantled completely the chassis which had been re-put together at some point with bolts not rivets and to get the blaster to clean out the crannies. Straightened things a bunch too that had been bent. Some pieces like a leaf spring and the rear cross members had small cracks, others deliberate cuts so I welded the cracks/cuts and ground them smooth. Partially put the differential halves back together. Straightened a bent radius rod and did the final straightening on the front axle. Looks straight to me. Loaded it all in the soccer-Mom van and off we go to the sand blaster. I am going to spray everything immediately on the sand blast site with phosphoric acid metal prep to keep it from flash rusting.
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Blasted! Their compressor was huge, looked like a V8 engine on a trailer.
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Just after blasting.
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Found out they will epoxy prime too for a good price so they are getting ready:
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Post by ivaldes1 » Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:23 pm

Parts are back from the blaster epoxy primed with Sherwin Wiliams Macropoxy 645 B58 W 610. Chassis is back together again, rear spring pack is back together again, all the springs and new perches are re-bushed. See other discussions on worn out rear axle key way viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14093 and probably not Ford front spring: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14108
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Post by ivaldes1 » Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:34 pm

Heading home to Houston now in the last RV that was available in Houston. We went all over but visited High Plains Model T in Longmont, CO with Dave Huson. Dave has a remarkable collection and we were able to get most of the missing chassis parts and much more. Then we visited Model T Haven in Iola, KS and picked up among many things a speedster gas tank and a brass windshield. So we are headed home now with a cargo bay area full of rusty gold!


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Post by Dallas Landers » Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:52 pm

Sounds like a great trip ! We will expect more progress reports. :D


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Post by John kuehn » Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:46 pm

Wow!
Your farm trailer, hay wagon has the same tounge set up on it like the one that was a T chassis(wagon) I bought at a local farm auction 40 plus years ago! That must have been some type of kit or the same guy was making them and selling them. I’m in Central Texas close to Waco, so not all that far away.
I was buying T parts where I could find them and farm auctions was a good place because not many people wanted them.
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Keep the tongue, you may need a tow bar someday.

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Post by Duey_C » Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:27 am

Woohoo! Fun stuff Ignacio! Like that the blaster would prime too. :)
That happy face with your fresh primed parts from the 4th is a priceless photo.
And a trip up to Dave's and the Haven. Safe travels!
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Post by RustyFords » Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:33 pm

Looking good Ignacio!

You seem to be slightly ahead of me on the Model T infection. If so, it won't be long until I start in on my second one. :geek:
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Post by ivaldes1 » Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:38 pm

Thanks for the comments, we arrived back to Houston late last night and had to unload the RV. Here is a picture of most of the purchased hoard, a lot of it in the blue plastic tub. Not shown is a speedster gas tank acquired at Model T Haven and the differential half Dave Huson generously gave to me so that I could harvest the single rivet brake lever off of it. Treasure! Being in Dave Huson's amazing shop made me want to clean mine up when I returned home...
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Post by ivaldes1 » Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:22 am

Speedster gas tank topic: https://mtfca.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14377

Why is one drive shaft longer than the other? https://mtfca.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14379

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Bending a twisted running board bracket: https://mtfca.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14814

I have new rear axles with transplanted rear axle gears since the old rear axles key ways were very worn out. I have begun rebuilding the differential with a higher gear ratio of 3:1 courtesy of Terry W which is supposed to give 7 miles per hour faster at a given engine speed.
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Nice work so far Ignacio. You working really well. Thank you posting updates. Appreciated.
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Nice chatting with you on the phone the other day.

You're turning into quite the T guru! ;)
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Likewise Don, I have great teachers.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:09 pm

The awful, no-good, nasty, bad, dreaded fiber disc washer sanding and installation is done. Sanding the fiber disks down is so much fun because it is almost like catching a wave with a surfboard on the belt sander and the disc can go flying across the shop multiple times if you lose control of it which is often. Full stop until you recover the fiber disk. Also the belt sander results in irregular thickness.
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Next up is page 27 of The Model T Ford: Front and Rear Axle book by Glen Chaffin which shows the micrometer width of the disks which is supposed to be between 0.095 and 0.085 per the book. The belt sander also sands them irregularly. See the micrometer value of 0.094. They eventually were sanded down to 0.088.
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Back together again at last, ready for aircraft safety wire on the crown gear side. Some do aircraft wire on the case bolts as well instead of cotters.
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Post by Ken Buhler » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:41 pm

Please, no adjustable spanners! those are for the farm when we don't have wrenches. They are the cause of rounded nut and bolt edges.
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Post by 2nighthawks » Wed Aug 05, 2020 11:06 pm

Ken B. - This is probably a bit "OT", but since you brought up "adjustable spanners" (or adjustable wrenches), I agree with you, and what you said is one of the first things my DAD taught me when I was old enough to start working on bicycles! He said,..."never use a Crescent Wrench when you can find the proper size box wrench or end wrench, because they will round off the nut or bolt head". And he was right!

However, have you seen the new "locking" adjustable wrenches? I can't help but wonder why it took all these years to perfect the adjustable wrench! It's a new tool that combines the advantages of vice-grips and the adjustable wrench,....and they're GREAT! The only "down side" is that they are just a bit more "bulky", but what a handy tool! One of those tools that you might not use too often, but once in awhile, it'll really help you out of a tight spot! Not only does this new locking adjustable wrench lock onto the nut or bolt head (to eliminate the rounded off hex points) but you no longer have to call your wife or grandkid or somebody, when you're wrenching on the nut underneath the car, and somebody has to hold the bolt head of the bolt on the inside of the car,....or, other side of that wall, or whatever!

If you haven't seen one of these yet, Google,...."locking adjustable wrench". Or better yet, try one next time you're in the hardware store or wherever. Not sure why Harbor Freight Tools doesn't offer one yet,...must be a patent problem or something, but several tool companies make them now. Got mine from STANLEY tools, because it was far cheaper than all the others and seemed just as good quality, for $9.95 (U.S.)

Anyway,...sorry for the "OT" but it seemed to fit in here,.....FWIW,.....harold

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Post by Duey_C » Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:25 am

You're right Harold. ..."when you can find the proper size box wrench"... :)
Some of these OldTractors's here were seriously shoved back in to service, out in the field after a very quick fix.
Pliers are even harder on bolts/nuts.
By gum, I have one those long-lever clamping, adjustable spanners here! A bit clumsy but I think it works OK.
Tried it a few times when I couldn't find the proper size wrench.
Ignacio, I spent a FEW evenings sanding those fiber washers to get things back together...
Next come the brass/bronze thrust washers. Oh wait, you know that already... ;)
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I V, you know full well if we have thru bolts, the cotters are just fine. If we have studs thru the differential, then we wire it.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:00 am

Crescent wrench? Adjustable spanner? Oh that one. Officer I swear to you I have never seen or used it in my life!


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Post by kmatt2 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:27 am

Igcanio, Regarding the differental caier, the early style from the teens into the early 1920s used studs with nuts and gets safety wired the later 1920s style used bolts with nuts and uses split pins. The studs could back out of caier with split pins so must be safety wired.

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Post by ivaldes1 » Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:41 pm

Further along. Have acquired a low head. The pawl for the hand brake has been changed with much pounding to get the old pivot out. Moving on to the steering gear.
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Post by ivaldes1 » Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:29 pm

Hand brake lever issues: https://mtfca.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14476
Three steering columns and one wood wheel? https://mtfca.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=14886

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Post by RustyFords » Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:44 pm

Incremental progress...it all adds up.
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Post by SurveyKing » Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:28 pm

Ignacio, It was a real pleasure meeting you yesterday and I will be one to be watching your project progress. Good luck with every aspect of this. All the best, Daniel


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The low head is a big buck head, early, no Made In USA on it.

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Post by ivaldes1 » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:39 am

Drive shaft follies are mostly over with Fun Projects spool and 13 gear pinion now on. Drive shaft bushing and further differential re-assembly next.
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Post by John Warren » Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:58 am

Great project to follow, Thanks Ignacio for sharing. jw
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Further progress:
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Re: Hay wagon to Speedster Project.

Post by ivaldes1 » Thu Aug 27, 2020 1:09 am

The drive shaft bushing is in and I am about to put the differential all back together. New sleeves are on the inner aspect, unlike what the picture shows the Hyatt bearings were all thoroughly cleaned and the inner one was installed a bit later. I discovered that at this time I may not have sufficient spool bolts or studs to complete the job immediately.
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Re: Hay wagon to Speedster Project.

Post by ivaldes1 » Thu Aug 27, 2020 1:11 am

One more gear and axle picture. Cleaned up, bronze thrust washers on. Will be functional as a differential again for the first time in over 57 years.
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Re: Hay wagon to Speedster Project.

Post by Rich Eagle » Thu Aug 27, 2020 10:12 am

Thanks for taking time to share the progress and pictures.
I recall the fun Norm and I had building this from a Hay-wagon that had been shortened.
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It had hauled something pretty heavy as the rear axles bearings were destroyed. With a Warford the drive shaft is less than two feet long. Even being lowered the short wheelbase let it get through some hairy terrain. It was a peppy little car and ran for a dozen seasons.
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Re: Hay wagon to Speedster Project.

Post by ivaldes1 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:02 am

Rear brake cam bushings are in. The first one went in ok with a hammer, the second didn't so I switched to threaded rod. The first rod wasn't big enough and eventually stripped, the second 3/4 inch bolt was plenty big enough and did the job. Then I reamed it a bunch with the hand reamer shown and it is all good to go now.
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Re: Hay wagon to Speedster Project.

Post by ivaldes1 » Fri Sep 04, 2020 3:42 pm

Update: Spindles are on. I ended up using a 1/2 inch drill bit and a drill press because my cheap adjustable reamer broke a tooth. The 1/2 inch drill bit seemed to work fine on both the spindles and the Steven's tool insert. Little to no movement on the spindle bolt. The mostly small rusty chassis replacement parts have all been repaired, extraneous stuff removed, cracks welded and at the sand blast/prime place. I discovered one front fender/front light mount is bent at the base. I think that I need to mount it to a stud and try to bend it back but it is already at the blasters so I will have to try to fix it afterwards.

Waiting for the rear roller bearing cover (spool) bolts to come in the mail.
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Re: Hay wagon to Speedster Project.

Post by ivaldes1 » Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:15 pm

And it is a working differential again:
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Re: Hay wagon to Speedster Project.

Post by RustyFords » Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:08 am

Nicely done. Thanks for the updates.
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Re: Hay wagon to Speedster Project.

Post by ivaldes1 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:40 pm

More small parts, many that the frame was missing are back from the sandblaster/painter. I plan on 1926-27 chassis down, 1916 up above so I am probably going to use a late model engine mount. If you wonder why I have 12 solar power inverters in my garage by the frame on saw horses the answer is 'seemed like a good idea at the time'. I have everything ready to start riveting probably this weekend unless I go fishing with this fellow.
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Re: Hay wagon to Speedster Project.

Post by ivaldes1 » Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:05 am

Front running gear is coming back together.
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Re: Hay wagon to Speedster Project.

Post by ivaldes1 » Thu Dec 10, 2020 1:39 am

The 'horns' of the late chassis corner brackets have been amputated getting ready for early model fender hangers. The frame is upside down because it is easier to re-rivet the frame with it upside down.
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Re: Hay wagon to Speedster Project.

Post by RustyFords » Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:20 am

Call me crazy (not literally Ignacio ;) ) but I think very old items like this have a living element of some sort in them.

And...watching them get saved and revived like this is, I believe, a very honorable thing.

You're making great progress...keep it up!
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Re: Hay wagon to Speedster Project.

Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Thu Dec 10, 2020 3:32 pm

Ignacio,

You're doing some great work there! You mentioned a few times how long things took you when you first started playing with T's. Having read some of your early threads, I can truly say that you've learned a huge amount since then and are doing some very nice work! I have also admired your tenacity. So many people find out that this stuff can be a lot of work, then get discouraged and quit. Not you! Happy to have you with us. Keep up the good work! :)


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Re: Hay wagon to Speedster Project.

Post by Sean B » Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:46 pm

Enjoy watching this come together.

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Re: Hay wagon to Speedster Project.

Post by ivaldes1 » Sat Dec 26, 2020 8:46 pm

Okay we are done with riveting and have moved on to painting the chassis.
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Re: Hay wagon to Speedster Project.

Post by ivaldes1 » Sat Dec 26, 2020 11:09 pm

Related to this project:

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Re: Hay wagon to Speedster Project.

Post by Dollisdad » Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:46 am

It appears you have in mind using a 26-27 frame and putting earlier fenders on it. The spacing for the running boards and body mounts are different. Just something to keep in mind. The first speedster I built was on a 27 chassis, using earlier sheetmetal and I had to relocate all the brackets. Great post. It’s fun to go along with you on your build.
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Re: Hay wagon to Speedster Project.

Post by ivaldes1 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:42 am

Thanks for the diagrams Tom. The differential and more parts are painted. Starting on stripping the black paint off the wheels.
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Re: Hay wagon to Speedster Project.

Post by ivaldes1 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 7:07 pm

More paint stripping. I treated the rust pits under the paint on the brake hubs with phosphoric acid after wire brushing to bare metal. The spokes are a pain to get the paint off of. Citrus strip starting on my 3rd round.
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Re: Hay wagon to Speedster Project.

Post by Allan » Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:47 am

The quickest/safest/easiest/best way I found was to hand scrape the spokes, along the grain, using 1"wide strips of window pane glass. Paint strippers soften the paint, but you still have to get it off the wheel. That usually means scraping and washing and, as you have found, more than one application.
The glass gets the hard paint off first go. It comes off in dry chips, leaving the wood ready for sanding. No drying needed and no chemical residue left to possibly affect the finish coats. When the edge gets dull on the glass, toss it and grab another piece. It still takes time, but it does make for a well done job. Try it with a couple of pieces from a broken bottle.

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Re: Hay wagon to Speedster Project.

Post by ivaldes1 » Fri Jan 01, 2021 2:36 pm

Differential is nearly ready to install. It was heavy getting out of the painting cave.
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Re: Hay wagon to Speedster Project.

Post by ivaldes1 » Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:42 pm

Front running gear is painted. More little parts including rear brake hubs.
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Re: Hay wagon to Speedster Project.

Post by ivaldes1 » Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:44 pm

Wheel paint has been stripped with 3 treatments of Citrus-Strip and lots of wire brushing. The wheels are hung up ready to paint. Treated the residual rust that was resistant to wire brush with phosphoric acid metal prep. Painting will commence soon.
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Re: Hay wagon to Speedster Project.

Post by ivaldes1 » Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:55 pm

Allan I used the curved edge of the paint tool in the picture to good effect on the round spokes. It fits the curve of the spoke well enough.
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The quickest/safest/easiest/best way I found was to hand scrape the spokes, along the grain, using 1"wide strips of window pane glass. Paint strippers soften the paint, but you still have to get it off the wheel. That usually means scraping and washing and, as you have found, more than one application.
The glass gets the hard paint off first go. It comes off in dry chips, leaving the wood ready for sanding. No drying needed and no chemical residue left to possibly affect the finish coats. When the edge gets dull on the glass, toss it and grab another piece. It still takes time, but it does make for a well done job. Try it with a couple of pieces from a broken bottle.

Hope this helps.
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