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1913 model T

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:02 am
by Vinny b
Here is my 1913 touring. Modifications are demountable rims, 12 V system, electric start and a ruckstell. I bought the car the way it sits, I would appreciate any comments as far as originality goes

Re: 1913 model T

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:05 am
by Vinny b
More photos

Re: 1913 model T

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:09 am
by Vinny b
And a few more

Re: 1913 model T

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:35 am
by REHelgeson
Beautiful 13 touring Vincent. I am sure you will get many miles of enjoyment.

Re: 1913 model T

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:22 am
by JBS
NICE FORD. HERE IS A PICTURE OF MY 1913 FORD.

Re: 1913 model T

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:15 am
by Steve Jelf
I haven't studied 1913 details, so I can't comment on most of the car itself, except to say that it's a beauty. I do see two things, if original means as it came from the factory. In 1913 the car would have come from the factory with tires that were all white, and a radiator cap like this.
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Of course, that's nit-picking. While the cap is factory correct, the motometer is a period accessory.

Re: 1913 model T

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:46 am
by Original Smith
The most obvious thing is the horn is upside down, as so many '13-14's are. The radiator cap that Steve posted above is incorrect, so forget that. It doesn't appear to have any of the gas light system in the car. There are a lot of other details too, like the natural steering wheel, wrong wheels, and no speedometer.

Re: 1913 model T

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:47 am
by Rich Bingham
Vincent, you catalogued the "non-original" modifications to your car, as Steve said, not much else to say except that it's a beauty and likely ready to be driven long and often ! I suppose there's yet debate on whether the '13s were painted blue, and when, exactly "all black" became the rule. Mine is blue and I love the look of it.

Joe, thanks for posting the pictures of your Ts, what can you tell us about its unique wheels ? I've never seen the like except on farm implements.

Re: 1913 model T

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:30 am
by Bob McDaniel
For what its worth my 13 Touring still has some of its original blue paint on the body and black on the fenders. As far as I can tell the only thing on mine that is not correct are the wheels and the rear end and an aftermarket clock mount on the dash, and a switch for a later mag light conversion and a master vibrator. Someone said my spark plugs are not original either. Here is a picture that I have posted before and a link to a lot of pictures from a couple of years ago posted on this forum.

http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/599638/641256.html
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Re: 1913 model T

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:02 pm
by RustyFords
Bob...I just went back and re-read your 2016 thread. What a neat car.

Have you done anything to it since then? If so, you should start a thread about it.

Re: 1913 model T

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:08 pm
by Scott_Conger
Vincent

that is a VERY nice looking car! Nice purchase, and welcome to the affliction! It appears to be ready for some serious touring. Enjoy and be safe.

Re: 1913 model T

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:11 pm
by MHSprecher
Very nice car.

Re: 1913 model T

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:18 pm
by R.V.Anderson
As others have said, it's a beautiful car, and certainly nicer than it would have come from Ford. The only thing I would add is, while I love that shade of blue, it's not quite correct for '13; the original would have been just about black, with the blue tint only apparent in sunlight. But unless your goal is some show hardware or a Stynoski, just enjoy it as it is.

Re: 1913 model T

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:45 pm
by Vinny b
I do not plan on showing it, I just like driving it. It is my third model T. I sold the other two to buy this one. I was just curious as to how Correct it is. I realize original was the wrong term. So is it true that all 1913's came with a speedometer? The gas headlights will be operational soon. I had to repair a leak in the water tank on the generator and I just have to run new tubing, and then I have to make a new gasket for the separation between the water tank and the chamber. Can't wait to fire that up, I already bought calcium carbide

Re: 1913 model T

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:20 pm
by Wayne Sheldon
There is, and certainly should be, room in this hobby for all stripes and colors of correctness, so long as the car is still essentially a Ford model T. There are purists, and also self stylists all the way down to those that paint their car purple, with hydraulic disc brakes, brass or chrome in lots of places it never belonged, and "improvements" to everything that usually serve to make the car less reliable than it ever was.
So your car has the later demountable wheels on it. You are in good company. A LOT of brass era Ts are driven on tours with wheels that were not available until the 1920s! (And that includes nearly all the brass era Ts with wire wheels on them!) A Ruckstell? So what? Nearly half the brass era Ts driven most often on tours has a Ruckstell. So the Ruckstell is a '26/'27 version. What difference does that make? The first Ruckstells were offered for sale seven years after your car was built, whats another five years difference over a century ago? Besides, the late version has the better parking/emergency brake that is a safety issue. I mean, that is why so many people put after-market outside brakes on their brass era Ts, and they weren't widely available until the '20s either.
The point of this, is that you are aware that your car is not fully correct in its restoration and current presentation. You are asking questions, and showing an interest in what is correct.
Whether I or anyone else does or does not like it the way it is? Should not be the most important thing. Drive the car! Enjoy it! And, in conversations with the curious, you maybe should consider pointing out some of the inconsistencies for educational reasons. And also point out how the car was manufactured for seventeen years with significant parts and systems being interchangeable, which is part of why the model T Ford more than any other car in history put the people of the world on wheels!

Its a beautiful car! Enjoy it.

Re: 1913 model T

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:04 pm
by Rich Eagle
I'm sure there are cars that have been changed to be correct only to find later that something else was more correct. And how sure are we that the blue mixed in May was the same as the batch mixed in July? All we can do is go by what we think we see on an original car or take the word of someone who has studied it. A lot of time has been spent researching these things but I wouldn't hide my "Wrong" car in the barn.

Re: 1913 model T

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:19 pm
by ericmac
I too have a 13 Touring. My car is a mix of original parts and very old repairs. My view is so long as you like the car, that's what counts.
As for color, my car was painted with a brush over what appears to have been green. I've had people tell me thats impossible but I argue how did the green get there. Point is, if you have a car you like in the color it it, leave it as it is.
I like your car a great deal and welcome you to the fraternity of '13 T owners. Overall we are a good lot!

Re: 1913 model T

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 8:01 pm
by Model T Mark
I have a 13 touring also. Dark green in color probably assembled in a branch assembly plant. I restored it in 2004 for a friend who passed and I ended up with it. It’s my car I like it green. In my friends honor I probably would never change it. 13-14 in my opinion are the most fun to drive. Enjoy!

Re: 1913 model T

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:49 pm
by Original Smith
The question was, what is incorrect for this car? So I told him! That has nothing to do with driving the car or painting it purple or anything else!

Re: 1913 model T

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:52 am
by Steve Jelf
I've been looking for a picture of a correct 1913 radiator cap to post and not having any luck. Anybody have a photo? The guidelines say it's stamped (unlike my cast repo) with low fins.

Re: 1913 model T

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:29 am
by DickC
I was told that a unique feature of the 13 was the mounting flange of the steering column. One screw/bolt is offset. I don't know if this is accurate but this is what I was told.

Re: 1913 model T

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:07 am
by Vinny b
I have no plans to change anything on the car. I love it just the way it is. For educational purposes I tell people it is pretty much the way a model T was in 1913. I was just curious as to how correct it was, but none of it matters as long as the differences aren't striking. I would like to get a set of all white tires. That's what came on the car originally?

Re: 1913 model T

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:13 am
by Johnnybuick
So many T lovers out there assuming they have a 1913
All bcos they have a 13 chassis or diff or windscreen wiper !
From what ive seen ..7 out of 10 are not genuine ! ..lets get real ! your engine # & running gear is key to exactly what year type is getting you from A to B !
We can all have a 1 off muscle car too if we change the cigarette lighter or the hubaps !
What a wonderful diverse world we live in :roll:

Re: 1913 model T

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:42 am
by TWrenn
Johnnybuick wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:13 am
So many T lovers out there assuming they have a 1913
All bcos they have a 13 chassis or diff or windscreen wiper !
From what ive seen ..7 out of 10 are not genuine ! ..lets get real ! your engine # & running gear is key to exactly what year type is getting you from A to B !
We can all have a 1 off muscle car too if we change the cigarette lighter or the hubaps !
What a wonderful diverse world we live in :roll:
Well, here's a pic of my pretty "correct/original" '13, as determined by judging a couple of years ago at the MTFCI annual tour in New York. Took a "Gold", so pretty darned correct. I drive the hell out of her and work just as hard keeping her pristine. You CAN have it both ways! Just takes work!

Re: 1913 model T

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:44 am
by TWrenn
BTW Vinny....you got a nice car there. Enjoy it!

Re: 1913 model T

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:53 am
by Original Smith
Here is a 1913 radiator cap with low fins.

Re: 1913 model T

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:56 am
by Oldav8tor
So..... would this be a 1913 cap?
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Re: 1913 model T

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:56 pm
by Rich Bingham
Hard to see the fin height from that angle, but if it's stamped, not cast, probably so.

Re: 1913 model T

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:16 pm
by Vinny b
I noticed some have pinstriping and some do not. Was the pinstriping offered from the factory?

Re: 1913 model T

Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:28 pm
by Bob McDaniel
Does this look like a 13 cap?
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