Gas tank repair thoughts/ideas

Discuss all things Model T related.
Forum rules
If you need help logging in, or have question about how something works, use the Support forum located here Support Forum
Complete set of Forum Rules Forum Rules

Topic author
Model T Mark
Posts: 239
Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:00 pm
First Name: Mark
Last Name: Eyre
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1913 Touring 1914 Touring and Roadster 1915 Touring 1926 Roadster
Location: Battle Creek Michigan

Gas tank repair thoughts/ideas

Post by Model T Mark » Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:05 pm

Trying to finish up this 11 torpedo roadster I have a new gas tank bought 25 years ago. Right in the center of the the end it has a pin hole or maybe a little bit bigger than a pin hole leak. It is about 1/16 in diameter. I found it when I have removed the paint. The gas has been out of the tank now for 48 hours. Looking for suggestions on the best safe repair. My initial thought is to dimple it and solder it and then do the body work on it and paint it and be done. I would use a soldering iron. I have tried JB weld steel and it didn’t hold. Anyone want to share their experiences in repairing something lake this safely?

User avatar

Squirrel
Posts: 140
Joined: Sat May 30, 2020 9:54 pm
First Name: Jim
Last Name: Forbes
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1927 Coupe
Location: Sierra Vista AZ
Board Member Since: 2020

Re: Gas tank repair thoughts/ideas

Post by Squirrel » Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:21 pm

Using JB weld to attach a sheet metal patch should work. Proper surface prep is important.

Using heat on any tank that has had fuel in it is scary.

User avatar

Walter Higgins
Posts: 273
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:18 pm
First Name: Walter
Last Name: Higgins
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1911 Open Runabout
Location: Realville, PA
MTFCA Number: 396
MTFCA Life Member: YES
MTFCI Number: 153

Re: Gas tank repair thoughts/ideas

Post by Walter Higgins » Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:26 pm

Thoroughly clean it with saturated steam and you can do whatever you want, though I would think in this case you could fill it with water, drain off just a tiny bit, turn it on end, and flow it shut real quick with your TIG using silicon bronze. Purging with inert gas is an option too, but I've never felt comfortable with knowing when enough is enough.


Norman Kling
Posts: 4095
Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:39 pm
First Name: Norman
Last Name: Kling
Location: Alpine California

Re: Gas tank repair thoughts/ideas

Post by Norman Kling » Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:28 pm

A large soldering iron would work, but under no circumstances a torch! The question would be: Why would it have a pinhole leak? Is it rusted out on the inside? If it is, you might have more problems coming up. I once tried filling with water and using a torch. I couldn't get it hot enough to solder. Then I drained the water, and there was still enough gas to cause the tank to jump about a foot when I heated with the torch. it is almost impossible to get all the gas or fumes out even with water.
Norm


Topic author
Model T Mark
Posts: 239
Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:00 pm
First Name: Mark
Last Name: Eyre
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1913 Touring 1914 Touring and Roadster 1915 Touring 1926 Roadster
Location: Battle Creek Michigan

Re: Gas tank repair thoughts/ideas

Post by Model T Mark » Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:35 pm

It was new like 25-30 years ago and then they shrunk it to do the bodywork on it they ground through it. I’m assuming that they beat the curve it on a lead shot bag. Then they leaded it and missed it. They come primed so I painted it and it started leaking right away. I won’t put a torch on it. That scares me to much. I wish I could find another new one but haven’t had any luck.


OilyBill
Posts: 552
Joined: Sat Apr 25, 2020 3:51 pm
First Name: William
Last Name: May
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1914 Runabout
Location: Tucson, Arizona

Re: Gas tank repair thoughts/ideas

Post by OilyBill » Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:04 am

Clean it out as best you can, (wash out with some kind of detergent, or Simple Green, or equivalent. then rinse, then use some rubbing alcohol to get rid of the moisture, and THEN let it dry in the sun for a couple days.) When you are ready to apply the soldering iron (One of the old, big FAT ones, not a new, tiny, girly-man, electric wire soldering iron) (I have a 100 watt, big fat iron that I use on soldering sheet metal) go get some dry-ice from your local grocery store, and let that melt/evaporate/sublimate in the tank. Before the dry-ice is completely gone, do the soldering job. No torch, and the tank is filled with carbon dioxide to keep the explosions away. Plus, with the washing, you should be well below any flammability level, and alcohol will have evaporated and departed the tank in the sun.

User avatar

ivaldes1
Posts: 914
Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:32 am
First Name: Ignacio
Last Name: Valdes
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1924 Touring
Location: Houston, Tx
MTFCA Number: 50406
Board Member Since: 2016

Re: Gas tank repair thoughts/ideas

Post by ivaldes1 » Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:43 am

Take it to a radiator shop. They are super good at this kind of thing and should be able to repair it easily and well.

User avatar

VowellArt
Posts: 542
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:44 am
First Name: Martynn
Last Name: Vowell
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1922 Touring, th "Lady"
Location: Sylmar, Commiefornia
MTFCA Number: 9908
Board Member Since: 2012
Contact:

Re: Gas tank repair thoughts/ideas

Post by VowellArt » Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:55 am

I'm sure it's been mentioned here already, but just buy a new one! You'll have a lot less problems with it than you're likely to have repairing that old one. :?
Fun never quits!


Altair
Posts: 365
Joined: Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:52 am
First Name: David
Last Name: Menzies
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1926 Touring and 1915 Touring both Canadian models
Location: British Columbia
MTFCA Number: 27825
Board Member Since: 2012

Re: Gas tank repair thoughts/ideas

Post by Altair » Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:34 am

I watched a guy prep a tank for welding and he just put his torch right in the open spout and there was one good blue flame puff out the spout and that was it, then he went about welding it with no further issues. The prep took about 5 seconds or less and he welded right on the tank. He said he has been doing this for years and this is all the prep he has ever done.


bobt
Posts: 229
Joined: Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:43 am
First Name: Robert
Last Name: Thompson
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1915 touring 1926 roadster
Location: virginia

Re: Gas tank repair thoughts/ideas

Post by bobt » Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:37 am

I worked at a radiator shop in my youth and we repaired gas tanks. fill and dump with water three times. stick the torches open flame into the filler opening. You MIGHT get a small huff but probably not. Clean to bare metal and solder a oversize copper patch over the problem area with acid core solder (if you can find acid core solder) I know I will catch hell by posting this method but the radiator shop I use to work at is still fixing gas tanks this way. bobt


Gene
Posts: 10
Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:45 am
First Name: Condon
Last Name: Story
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1911 torpedo 1916 tractor conversion 1922 roadster 1923 hack 1926 4 door 1926 1 ton truck
Location: Nevada, MO

welding a gas tank

Post by Gene » Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:41 am

I seen a guy put a hose on his tail pipe of his pickup and the other end in the tank, and started welding


mtntee20
Posts: 535
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:51 pm
First Name: Terry & Sharon
Last Name: Miller
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1920 Center Door, 1920 TTWood cab Farm Truck with cable dump grain bed, 1920 TT C-Cab with express bed, 1927 Wood body Dairy Delivery truck
Location: Westminster, CO
MTFCA Number: 32583
Board Member Since: 2017

Re: Gas tank repair thoughts/ideas

Post by mtntee20 » Wed Aug 12, 2020 6:50 am

If, and I say IF, the hole is a rust through, it won't the only one. You will have more soon IF it is a rust through. I suggest a quality fuel tank treatment. There are several out there, some better than others. I have read reviews on several touted to the "the best". Seems like all of them have the same great and not worth a crap reviewers. I believe the reason to be the reviewer themselves. The PREP work is essential for a product to work properly. IF you have one rust hole, then your whole tank has a rusty inside bottom and the whole thing needs to be treated with a good sealant or it will be just a matter of time before the next hole happens.

Good Luck,
Terry


halftracknut
Posts: 138
Joined: Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:32 pm
First Name: randy
Last Name: lee
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1926 pickup

Re: Gas tank repair thoughts/ideas

Post by halftracknut » Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:28 am

I shined mine up with 80 grit paper and JB weld it then put the white gas tank sealer from snyders and it has been great for over a year now...


Topic author
Model T Mark
Posts: 239
Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:00 pm
First Name: Mark
Last Name: Eyre
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1913 Touring 1914 Touring and Roadster 1915 Touring 1926 Roadster
Location: Battle Creek Michigan

Re: Gas tank repair thoughts/ideas

Post by Model T Mark » Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:01 am

Fixed. Like I said it was a new tank that they ground through. Filled the tank with co2 and one tinny shot with my mig welder. I tried to buy a new one and I was told that they are being discontinued which if that is the case we will be fixing a lot of original torpedo tanks. Thanks for everyone that gave me advice!


Commander_Chaos
Posts: 15
Joined: Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:00 am
First Name: Allen
Last Name: Hanford
Location: Philadelphia PA

Re: Gas tank repair thoughts/ideas

Post by Commander_Chaos » Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:12 pm

I've brazed motorcycle gas tanks without incident more than once. If you wash it out with soap and water AND LEAVE THE CAP OFF I don't see what the big deal is.

While there's still gasoline in the pores of the metal that will be released and burn when heated, it's the CONTAINMENT of the combustion that poses the danger.

You'll have to make the judgement on safety for yourself. The only difference between a car and a bike tank that would seem to matter here is the ratio of cubic inches of vapor vs. the size of the opening.


FordFool
Posts: 168
Joined: Mon Jan 28, 2019 4:49 pm
First Name: Don
Last Name: Kirtley
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 13 and 16 touring, 18 and 20 coup, 20 tudor
Location: Devore, CA
MTFCA Number: 23703
MTFCI Number: 23153
Board Member Since: 2009

Re: Gas tank repair thoughts/ideas

Post by FordFool » Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:31 pm

Martynn I heard they are not making the tanks any more. The guy that made them retired????

User avatar

George Mills
Posts: 550
Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:32 pm
First Name: George
Last Name: Mills
* REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1915 Roadster, 1919 Hack, 1925 Fordor
Location: Cherry Hill NJ/Anona Largo FL
MTFCA Number: 29497
MTFCI Number: 10032
Board Member Since: 1999

Re: Gas tank repair thoughts/ideas

Post by George Mills » Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:51 pm

One time I had a tank with a punch hole in it and a guy cross town said he could fix it. Just pull it off and take it to him, he'd need maybe 5 minutes..

I was intrigued.

He sets it up, takes a swat at it with his air sander...

Grabs something that looks like a gray Tootsie Roll and tears off a chunk...

Mushes it in the hole and then took his rubber hammer to 'the wart'...

Came out as a use as is finish...

I was a bit of a disbeliever in a putty solution and he told me no worries, he did it all the time and never had a redo...

I ran that tank for years and it never even weeped. Probably still holding fuel somewhere...

I just looked online to see if I could find it. Nope...that was a long time ago when lots of good stuff could be had if you knew where....but do see that JB Weld has what looks to be the same thing called 'tank seal' and at 11 bucks a tube probably worth a try.

Post Reply Previous topicNext topic