***1909-1910 Drive Shaft Assembly***
Forum rules
If you need help logging in, or have question about how something works, use the Support forum located here Support Forum
Complete set of Forum Rules Forum Rules
If you need help logging in, or have question about how something works, use the Support forum located here Support Forum
Complete set of Forum Rules Forum Rules
-
Topic author - Posts: 542
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:44 am
- First Name: Martynn
- Last Name: Vowell
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1922 Touring, th "Lady"
- Location: Sylmar, Commiefornia
- MTFCA Number: 9908
- Board Member Since: 2012
- Contact:
***1909-1910 Drive Shaft Assembly***
Don't know if I've got this right or not, but I thought I'd post it here and see. Maybe you folks could tell me what I've got wrong better with a picture than with my writing, I can get a might verbose (as Steve Jelf can tell you), and pictures cut 1000 words down to maybe these few.
Last edited by VowellArt on Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:35 am, edited 1 time in total.
Fun never quits!
-
- Posts: 2477
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:30 pm
- First Name: Dave
- Last Name: Hjortnaes
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 24 Speedster, 20 touring
- Location: Men Falls, WI
- MTFCA Number: 28762
- MTFCI Number: 22402
Re: ***1909-1910 Drive Shaft Assembly***
Correct me if I am wrong, but I understand there is no gasket between the 4th main and #2576. Maybe in earlier cars it is used.
-
Topic author - Posts: 542
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:44 am
- First Name: Martynn
- Last Name: Vowell
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1922 Touring, th "Lady"
- Location: Sylmar, Commiefornia
- MTFCA Number: 9908
- Board Member Since: 2012
- Contact:
Re: ***1909-1910 Drive Shaft Assembly***
You mean the one I carelessly didn't put a part number on? That holds the ball to the 4th main cup? You could be right, been so long since I've been down and under, but I think on my 22 there is one there, as I recall there are two of them, one inside between the 4th and the engine and one outside between the ball mounting and the outside of the engine. I'll have to check though.
Fun never quits!
-
- Posts: 5256
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:21 pm
- First Name: Allan
- Last Name: Bennett
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1912 van, 1917 shooting brake, 1929 roadster buckboard, 1924 tourer, 1925 barn find buckboard, 1925 D &F wide body roadster, 1927LHD Tudor sedan.
- Location: Gawler, Australia
Re: ***1909-1910 Drive Shaft Assembly***
Dave, even if one was used initially, I find it better to delete it in favour of silicone type sealant. Those thick gaskets will allow a worn ball to rattle around in the socket. Leaving it out closes the cap around the ball, perhaps enough that the separate shim shown would not be necessary.
Allan from down under.
Allan from down under.
-
- Posts: 2477
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:30 pm
- First Name: Dave
- Last Name: Hjortnaes
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 24 Speedster, 20 touring
- Location: Men Falls, WI
- MTFCA Number: 28762
- MTFCI Number: 22402
Re: ***1909-1910 Drive Shaft Assembly***
Yes Martynn, #2580. I do not have them on my cars. I have read others do not use them. Perhaps they did use them on earlier cars and now most people are leaving them out. Maybe so excess grease can squeeze out. i do not know. Perhaps the experts will chime in later today.
p.s. I love and appreciate all the drawings you have done for the group. Thank you.
p.s. I love and appreciate all the drawings you have done for the group. Thank you.
Last edited by DHort on Thu Aug 13, 2020 3:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.
-
- Posts: 4353
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:18 pm
- First Name: Steve
- Last Name: Tomaso
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1914 Touring, 1919 Centerdoor, 1924 TT C-Cab Express, 1925 Racer
- Location: Longbranch, WA
- MTFCA Number: 14972
- MTFCI Number: 15411
- Board Member Since: 2001
Re: ***1909-1910 Drive Shaft Assembly***
Only one gasket - #2580 goes between the ball cap & trans. cover.
-
- Posts: 3325
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:56 am
- First Name: Dan
- Last Name: Treace
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: '23 cutoff, '25 touring, '27 touring
- Location: North Central FL
- MTFCA Number: 4838
- MTFCI Number: 115
- Board Member Since: 2000
- Contact:
Re: ***1909-1910 Drive Shaft Assembly***
Martynn
The 1909 driveshaft had a fixed pinion gear. The p/n 2541 was one piece, shaft and gear. There is a key for this #2543 pinion gear, just no nut.
1909 Parts and Price List photo.
Later '09-'10 got the changed design, first a straight drive shaft, with 7/8" bore pinion gear #2597, and then a taper-end shaft with taper pinion #2597B.
The 1909 driveshaft had a fixed pinion gear. The p/n 2541 was one piece, shaft and gear. There is a key for this #2543 pinion gear, just no nut.
1909 Parts and Price List photo.
Later '09-'10 got the changed design, first a straight drive shaft, with 7/8" bore pinion gear #2597, and then a taper-end shaft with taper pinion #2597B.
The best way is always the simplest. The attics of the world are cluttered up with complicated failures. Henry Ford
Don’t find fault, find a remedy; anybody can complain. Henry Ford
Don’t find fault, find a remedy; anybody can complain. Henry Ford
-
Topic author - Posts: 542
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:44 am
- First Name: Martynn
- Last Name: Vowell
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1922 Touring, th "Lady"
- Location: Sylmar, Commiefornia
- MTFCA Number: 9908
- Board Member Since: 2012
- Contact:
Re: ***1909-1910 Drive Shaft Assembly***
Ok Dan, so this is the Early 1909 Drive Shaft Assembly....
Last edited by VowellArt on Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:00 am, edited 1 time in total.
Fun never quits!
-
- Posts: 1012
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:36 pm
- First Name: Adrian
- Last Name: Whiteman
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1926 TT, 1924 Colonial Roadster, 1924 'Bullnose' Morris, 1925 'Bullnose' Morris, 1936 JD AR
- Location: South Island, New Zealand
Re: ***1909-1910 Drive Shaft Assembly***
Welcome back 'on line'
-
Topic author - Posts: 542
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 8:44 am
- First Name: Martynn
- Last Name: Vowell
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1922 Touring, th "Lady"
- Location: Sylmar, Commiefornia
- MTFCA Number: 9908
- Board Member Since: 2012
- Contact:
Re: ***1909-1910 Drive Shaft Assembly***
And this would be 1910-1911, this is where the change from the babbit bushings to the bearing spool was made (probably really showed up in late 1909, but as we all know that is really 1910's starting date).
Fun never quits!