1941 Model T motor
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1941 Model T motor
1941 Model T motor- maybe! Lets see what the experts think!
"41" the only cast date on the motor
Not a 15,000,000 serial number
No casting date on the head- only a "Y"
Hog head is a 26/27 configuration for the wide brake drum; BUT, no ears to attach to the motor- never had any- not a modified casting
Stock bore- cast iron pistons
Thin copper head gasket
Ok- what have I got here?
"41" the only cast date on the motor
Not a 15,000,000 serial number
No casting date on the head- only a "Y"
Hog head is a 26/27 configuration for the wide brake drum; BUT, no ears to attach to the motor- never had any- not a modified casting
Stock bore- cast iron pistons
Thin copper head gasket
Ok- what have I got here?
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Re: 1941 Model T motor
They made only six, so if it is it's a mighty rare bird. The March 1915 serial number suggests this was a replacement block stamped with the number of the one it replaced. I don't recall ever seeing pictures of those 1941 engines, but I expect they would be Improved Car engines with the two rear bolt holes. This one looks to be from the twenties, but before the Improved Cars of 26-27.
The inevitable often happens.
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Re: 1941 Model T motor
I have one that is simply stamped 1125. It is a single valve cover engine. I have always wondered about it. I couldn't get a photo.
Rich
Rich
When did I do that?
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Re: 1941 Model T motor
This motor was in a 1925 TT truck. It was in a hot fire that burned all the wood, melted the aluminum fan hub, coils, warped the frame and depressed the front spring. It came out of a Taft, California oil field. It had a very serious bed on it- the "U" bolts are huge.
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Re: 1941 Model T motor
It's not a 1941 T motor. The scalloped shape of the area between the number boss and the water inlet and the one piece valve cover were last used in 1923. It's a 7 million SN engine from 1923 with the last few numbers removed. As for the 26 hogshead it looks like it has had some welding on it, I think the ears have been skillfully removed. It is possible Ford made a replacement hogshead for pre 26 engines using a 26 transmission but I doubt it. Those oil field mechanics were resourceful in how they kept things running.
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Re: 1941 Model T motor
I just love how these mysteries keep turning up every once in a while, wonder what this great forum is going to dig up about this one !,
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Re: 1941 Model T motor
I moved stuff around and pulled the block into the light to take a picture. After 18 tries this is the best I could do. You can make out the 1125. There is no indication of any other digits. I also doesn't look as if any metal has been ground off of it. It looks like my 1925 and earlier blocks with no bosses for the hogs head.
Rich
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Re: 1941 Model T motor
I would say it is a 22 late or 23 from the small hole on the valve door and the smaller area at the serial number plate.
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Re: 1941 Model T motor
Thanks Joe. I guess I should show more of the block. I'm not sure what the J and X indicate.
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Re: 1941 Model T motor
The 41 cast on side is most likely a mold number and not a date.
I would bet all engines sold after 27 were not cast just before they shipped, but were left over engines. I do not think Ford would tool up just to make one engine for some Ford dealer in who knows where. Most likely engines were just stored somewhere and when a dealer needed one they got one out and shipped it. Why do you think there were no more after 41, something happened in Dec that changed all that.
The engines were worth more as scrap iron than model T engines. Dan
I would bet all engines sold after 27 were not cast just before they shipped, but were left over engines. I do not think Ford would tool up just to make one engine for some Ford dealer in who knows where. Most likely engines were just stored somewhere and when a dealer needed one they got one out and shipped it. Why do you think there were no more after 41, something happened in Dec that changed all that.
The engines were worth more as scrap iron than model T engines. Dan
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Re: 1941 Model T motor
They needed the space on the line at Rouge for, um, "other stuff" for the next model year... Totally new, um, yeah, "models" in collaboration with Overland...