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BAICO Fire Engine Conversion for the FORD

Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:37 pm
by A Whiteman
Intrigued by the fire engine found in the background of one of Grandad's slides (see my post at https://mtfca.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15625 ) I had a look for Ford fire engines in Upper Hutt, New Zealand. Several Fire Brigades in New Zealand used Ford fire engines, so the design is not unusual here.

My search turned up this beast which belonged to the New Zealand Defence Force and was on duty at the Trentham Camp in 1925 (still one of New Zealand's larger military bases and that background building is probably still there). This is a BAICO according to the proud name on the radiator cover. Underneath is a very much modified Ford.

Where BAICO comes from I cannot find out, but it may have been an English company?
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I did find this news clipping from England as well:
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And this interesting commentary from Tring in England about their 'BAICO':
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"Messrs Pemsel and Wilson brought the new machine to Tring for testing on October 12th. It certainly pumped satisfactorily but it could not get up Marlin Hill and needed several attempts to reach the top of Hastoe Hill. Dispute then arose between the Council and Messrs Pemsel and Wilson as to the merits of a low speed axle and a gear box to remedy the problem. The axle would have reduced the appliance’s speed to 16 - 18 m.p.h. from its existing 35 - 40 m.p.h. Agreement was finally reached on November 7th. The firm gave a guarantee that with the gear box fitted — without further delay and at a cost of a further £17-10s-0d -- the fire engine would get up any of the hills in the district fully loaded. The offer was accepted and on December 10th 1927, just a month short of two years since Tring Fire Brigade’s failure to go to Spencers Green, the Council received confirmation from the Fire Brigade Committee that the motor fire engine had indeed carried the men and full equipment up Hastoe Hill, Marlin Hill and Oddy Hill several times. Councillors immediately agreed that a cheque for £476-2s-5d should be despatched to Messrs Pemsel and Wilson. Whereupon Cllr Bagnall referred to unfair reports which had been circulated and asked the Press to take particular note that on November 26th “under conditions none too good as regards weather and roads, and from a cold start in the fire station” the fire engine went up Marlin Hill to the Hastoe cross-roads in nine minutes with full equipment and seven men, and then went from New Ground Waterworks up Hemp Lane to Wigginton Church in six and a half minutes."
(https://tringhistory.tringlocalhistorym ... dex.htm#03)

Re: BAICO Fire Engine Conversion for the FORD

Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:41 pm
by RajoRacer
That truck is sporting Michelin disc wheels !

Re: BAICO Fire Engine Conversion for the FORD

Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:31 pm
by Allan
That truck is not a TT truck. It is a car chassis fitted with a conversion like a Smith's Form-a-truck. That way the wheels are standard car type items, presumably running 30 x 3.5" beaded edge tyres. I wonder how such skinny tyres lasted in that kind of service under that load. Presumably they were of much better quality than the rubbish available today.

Allan from down under.

Re: BAICO Fire Engine Conversion for the FORD

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:52 am
by A Whiteman
I think the rears are a larger diameter tyre, and possibly solid too. Hard to tell, but possible from the 'squarish' profile maybe visible in teh English town truck. Looking behind the Firemen's legs, the Tring one has solids, albeit with 'holes' in them as a trade off for ride.

Come to think about it, even the fronts look a little larger in diameter than standard car tyres too in the Trentham one at least.

Re: BAICO Fire Engine Conversion for the FORD

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2020 9:02 am
by Allan
My mid 20's Tarrant T tourer came standard with 4.40 x 23" balloon tyres. They certainly are fatter, but I have no idea when they were first offered.

Allan from down under.

Re: BAICO Fire Engine Conversion for the FORD

Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:42 am
by D Stroud
Allan, that is indeed some type of truck conversion, similar to a Smith Form-A-Truck for a T car chassis, but look again at those rear wheels. They are much larger than the 30x3 1/2 wheels on the front which was how all of those conversions (as far as I know), where made in order to carry the extra weight on the rear. Very cool photos. Dave