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1909 firewall trim

Post by Philip Lawrence » Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:55 am

Can anyone tell me what the correct spacing is for the screws on the brass trim on a 1909 firewall/dashboard is? Also what size screws were used?

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Re: 1909 firewall trim

Post by Rich Eagle » Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:59 am

John F. Regan said on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 10:31 pm:
'09 screws were in fact #5 oval head screws. The #7 began later and was carried through 1914.
This thread may be of interest but doesn't mention the spacing:
http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/11 ... 1283309039
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Re: 1909 firewall trim

Post by Rich Eagle » Mon Oct 05, 2020 12:09 pm

This photo Dan showed in the discussion does show some spacing. I think it may be original.
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Re: 1909 firewall trim

Post by Rich Eagle » Mon Oct 05, 2020 12:21 pm

This is another of Dan Treace's photos.
http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/118802/149412.jpg
I don't know the history but the spacing may well be correct.
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Re: 1909 firewall trim

Post by Jem » Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:15 pm

Here's my unrestored Aug 09 (not totally unmolested, it had an incorrect repaint circa 1950)

The bottom screw is 1.5" from the bottom edge, subsequent screws are 5.25" apart. The screw is a raised countersunk 1" long with 0.25" wide head.
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Re: 1909 firewall trim

Post by Mark Nunn » Tue Oct 06, 2020 1:42 pm

This photo of a wrecked '09-'10 was taken in 1913. Timing suggests that nothing was changed from original. This correlates with Jem's photo. It also shows a screw behind the lamp. See the arrow.

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Re: 1909 firewall trim

Post by Jem » Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:10 pm

Yes there is a screw behind my lamp


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Re: 1909 firewall trim

Post by Philip Lawrence » Thu Oct 08, 2020 10:45 am

Thanks for all the replies, I think I've got what I need. This is for a friends restoration. It is one of the last things to do. He will I'm sure be very appreciative for the help.


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Re: 1909 firewall trim

Post by KimDobbins » Thu Oct 08, 2020 12:21 pm

Phil, my 1909 dash is also 5.25 spacing.
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Re: 1909 firewall trim

Post by KWTownsend » Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:25 am

After you drill the holes, and before you put in the brass screws, run a steel or stainless steel screw into the side of the dash to pre-thread the holes in the wood. Brass oval head screws will sometimes twist in two while biting into the wood. Don't ask how I know this...


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Re: 1909 firewall trim

Post by Philip Lawrence » Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:04 pm

Keith, thanks for the tip, I'll pass that on to my friend. Running the screw threads over a cake of bees wax is also helpful when installing screws.

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