Photos of 1927 Coupe Rear Bumper Brackets?

[OilyBill]

Anyone have a good set of pics of exactly how the rear bumper brackets mount on the frame for a 1927 Coupe? These are the Ford brackets, but for the coupes that have a split rear bumper, for space for the spare tire. They are NOT the brackets that hold the bumper that covers the entire rear of the car. I neglected to take any pics when I pulled them off, which was a big mistake. Now I cannot figure out how to remount them to the frame. They have to go on BEFORE the body is mounted, so I am at standstill until I can figure it out.
Thanks, everyone!

[bron-hertford-nc]

Suspect may be the same as the Runabout/Roadster, Can send you pics.as mine have never been off the car
Call me on cell 7033467510

[Humblej]

Bumper brackets will install on the car with the body on. Ford Service Bulletins cover installation. Coupe and roadster are the same bumpers.

[Roffe]

Hi. This is how my brackets are attached on my 1926 roadster.

[bron-hertford-nc]

Different rear bumpers with different brackets. The photos are from a 26 that was in storage for 41 years and never dissasembled

[OilyBill]

Thank you VERY MUCH!!
The last set are the ones on this car!
I really appreciate the help!
Bill

[OilyBill]

Dear Bron:
I wonder if that last set are some kind of aftermarket set.
But they are a direct match to what is on this car, which is an absolutely original 1927 that was never touched until I started the restoration. It only has about 20,000 miles on it, and it is immaculate in every way.
This particular car was not driven after the 20K miles ran up on it, due to an ignition problem. The flywheel magnets were coming apart. I assume the owner parked it when he was told it might cost as much as $15 to get it repaired. It was in storage with the first owner, then was sold to someone else, who also stored the car without touching it, until it was purchased by my dentist in the mid 80's. He had it in storage until he decided he wanted to restore it, and I wound up with the task. The dentist's real specialty is Porsches, and he knew nothing about Model Ts, so did not want to mess with it himself. The car is now in the advanced stages of reassembly, and we had to lift the body to remove the bumper brackets (one bracket was broken from a collision, but no damage to the body or the bumpers themselves.) when we originally took it apart. I was told by a local authority here in Tucson (Ken Petrick) that these must be aftermarket brackets, since Ford brackets fit the car with no body removal or lift required, and could be installed by the dealer or owner with no problems.
Thanks again, Bron! I really appreciate the help!
And a big thanks to everyone who contributed an answer! I hope I can pay you all back eventually.

[bron-hertford-nc]

So two with the same brackets .
They do not require any lift of the body - look very closely

at the front of the L angle bracket where it comes in contact with the frame crossover - the bracket is notched at that point so it sits on the underside of the frame crossover - the screwdriver blade is in the notch - you take the nut off the frame /wood block bolt and assemble at the front and work backwards with rear bolts dropping in from the top

[OilyBill]

Thanks! That answers a lot of questions!
Apparently it IS a stock ford bumper bracket. It's just that few people have ever seen them before.

[Allan]

I was under the impression that Ford bumpers did not have the loops on the ends and the bolts through them. This did not happen until the A model. T and A brackets are different, but the way they are constructed is similar, reflecting their common source. These brackets are differently made.

Allan from down under.

[DanTreace]

Would tend to agree with Allan.

There were lots of aftermarket bumpers (guards) for the rear that are two piece. Ford Model T accessory offering however had one piece rear bumper bars, without tie bolts on the ends of the bars.
Ford Parts and Price list shows 4 different #'s for the rear only assembly, indicating various brackets to fit the frame of the Coupe, Runabout, Tudor/Touring and Fordor, while the front bar assembly was one part # and fit all body styles of course.

Here is literature showing one piece bars on the various body styles.

And some of the aftermarket with split rear bars.

[bron-hertford-nc]

To add to the discussion here is a pic of my front bumper
and links below to Forum 2010:Bumper and a 27 coupe sold at Barrett Jackson event in 2014 . On the Forum 2010 note the Marquette ad in the Ford Service and Field paper.

http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/11 ... 1283355195
https://barrettjacksoncdn.azureedge.net ... 62394.html

[DanTreace]

Bron

Thanks for posting those links. Pretty clear that the rear split bumpers on the Barrett-Jackson runabout are aftermarket bars, and sure are identical to the Marquette brand.

[bron-hertford-nc]

Right on - so both my and OilyBills are Marquettes , but Marquette was smart enough to design so you didn't have to lift the body, re the angle bracket
notch. Small little thing but made for easy owner or service center installation. And only less than $9. No small change back then, but did the ladies like T's more with bumpers or not? I can only venture that the large skirts of the day were of concern not to get dirty or caught on fenders or spare tires.

[DanTreace]

Seems both ladies and gentlemen like bumpers on their Fords.

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[OilyBill]

Hey, Bron!
From the forum threads you included, I have identified them as a "Marquette" brand bumper set. I have both the fronts and the backs, so the set is complete. Thank you again!
I have been making the dentist a 3 ring binder of everything special that I have done to the car (i.e. "Fourth Main", roller bearings for differential, Kevlar transmission bands, distributor installation, new brake lining instructions, etc, etc. and when I can find a Marquette ad, I will buy it and place it in there as well. I have told him to keep the book with the car if he sells it, so the future owner will have a reference for maintenance and repair, along with all the books and manuals he has for the car.
I don't know if he will pass the book along, but I have done my part.
Each of the cars that I own has it's own file, with instructions to pass all the info along to the next owner. (Even though I plan on living forever, you never know what's going to happen)
The Horseless Carriage Club has started a tracking system, to keep track of car brand, serial number, and provenance of ownership. I think this is an excellent idea. It would be hard to do for Fords, as there are so many of them out there. I think this has been mentioned in other posts. It's not so hard when there are only 22 "Belchfires" and 6 "Belchfire Juniors" known to exist. It's always nice to add a newly-found surviving "Belchfire" to the list.
Doing a Ford T Registry would be possible, but a enormous amount of work.

[OilyBill]

In Dan Treace's post, those must have been the COOL CHICKS. They have both natty looking bumpers, and also the gypsy curtains.
Twenty-Three, Skidoo!!!

[bron-hertford-nc]

Nice to have the pictures - this has been a fun dialogue - add in your binder the parts orders and invoices - that way in early December you can add up what you've spent and can tell your spouse that they don't have to worry about giving you a Christmas present.