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13T - Ford wrench, unknown tool, and old parts

Post by Darin Hull » Sat Oct 24, 2020 6:29 pm

I had only added things to the 13T’s toolbox... threw in what I had with grandpa’s old stuff. Today, I deep cleaned the tool box. Found a Ford wrench labeled simply with 1 and 2. What bolt were these designed specifically for?

Then found a tool which will have a simple enough explanation but I have never seen one before. I’m sure everyone can tell me what it is but, unfortunately, I have to ask.

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Re: 13T - Ford wrench and unknown took

Post by Russ T Fender » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:10 pm

Don't know about the wrench but the other tool is for grinding valves


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Re: 13T - Ford wrench and unknown took

Post by Erik Johnson » Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:21 pm

It's a a T-1917 band/transmission wrench. It is the later style, approximately 1921-27.

Here is a group I recently sold. The three on right are an earlier style, approximately 1915 - 1920. They may also be correct for 1913, however, you'd have to ask the experts.
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Re: 13T - Ford wrench, unknown tool, and old parts

Post by Darin Hull » Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:27 pm

Found an old box of bands... are these good forever or have a shelf life?

And can I use a voltmeter to see if these diodes (guessing not VRs) are good?
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Re: 13T - Ford wrench, unknown tool, and old parts

Post by Darin Hull » Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:46 pm

Found a Master Vibrator and a couple of old fire extinguishers, including a very small one (not as wide as a hammer head).
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Re: 13T - Ford wrench, unknown tool, and old parts

Post by RajoRacer » Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:06 am

As long as the Scandinavia linings don't have a "musty" aroma, I'd use them - those look excellent - just soak them in fresh motor oil prior to installing in the car.

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Re: 13T - Ford wrench, unknown tool, and old parts

Post by RajoRacer » Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:07 am

Flip the cutouts over so we can see the bottom connections.


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Re: 13T - Ford wrench, unknown tool, and old parts

Post by Original Smith » Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:11 am

That Scandanavia lining is the good old stuff. Use it!

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Re: 13T - Ford wrench, unknown tool, and old parts

Post by Steve Jelf » Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:03 pm

...just soak them in fresh motor oil prior to installing in the car.

That's after you rivet them on the bands. :)

The #1917 band adjusting wrench sometimes has the part number on it. I suppose because of having been used for other things, sometimes the end for the band nuts has gotten spread out, and you need to use a vise to squeeze the opening down to the proper 11/16".

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This Ford ratchet for adjusting bands is easier to use than the #1917. You don't have to flip it over for every little turn.
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Re: 13T - Ford wrench, unknown tool, and old parts

Post by Allan » Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:06 pm

Steve, I would caution against using a vice to close down the end of a T1917 wrench. They will break, unless heat is used. They are lightweight on that end because all they have to do is shift the spring loaded nut against the band. They get spread when misused on other nuts requiring some effort to unscrew them.
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Re: 13T - Ford wrench, unknown tool, and old parts

Post by Erik Johnson » Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:25 pm

The other end of the Ford "Z" ratchet fits the pan oil drain plug and the differential plug.


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Re: 13T - Ford wrench, unknown tool, and old parts

Post by Darin Hull » Sun Oct 25, 2020 7:34 pm

Steve,

The backs of the cutouts.

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Re: 13T - Ford wrench, unknown tool, and old parts

Post by dhosh » Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:36 pm

Is the top photo with a hand drill type handle, a valve lapping took, for different size hole spacings on the top of the valves?
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Re: 13T - Ford wrench, unknown tool, and old parts

Post by John kuehn » Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:46 pm

Typical spreading of the jaws on the band wrench. Over time these wrench’s got used over and over for other things besides working on a T. They found their way in a farmers tool box and got really used up, thus the spread jaws.
Over the years when I found one of these they were really spread. Don’t think I found many that weren’t over used. If they were used just for tightening bands not much if any spreading occurred.

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Re: 13T - Ford wrench, unknown tool, and old parts

Post by RajoRacer » Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:00 pm

Those cutouts appear to be just that - cutouts. they don't appear to have been modified to accept a diode but John Regan is the expert in that field - maybe he'll chime in ?

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Re: 13T - Ford wrench, unknown tool, and old parts

Post by Steve Jelf » Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:07 pm

I would caution against using a vice to close down the end of a T1917 wrench. They will break, unless heat is used.

I haven't had any break, but maybe that was just dumb luck. I'll apply heat.
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Re: 13T - Ford wrench, unknown tool, and old parts

Post by RajoRacer » Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:46 pm

Steve - I assumed most T folks realize one should mount the lining prior to installation in the T - appreciate the clarification !


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Re: 13T - Ford wrench, unknown tool, and old parts

Post by Chris Haynes » Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:52 pm

Those fire extinguishers are filled with carbon tetra-chloride. A powerful cancer causing carcinogen. It has been outlawed. Don't get any on you or breathe it.

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Re: 13T - Ford wrench, unknown tool, and old parts

Post by Susanne » Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:17 pm

Ahh, the good old days of living better through chemistry... :shock:

Remember when you'd get your clothes back from the dry cleaner and it had *that* smell? Yep, Carbon Tet. That's how they finally figured out it's carcienogenic - peole in dry cleaning plants were coming down with all kinds of tumors. It's still one heck of an oil remover (we use it as a separatory agent when testing soil for petrochemical contamination), but you better be wearing double nitrile gloves when dealing with this stuff.


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Re: 13T - Ford wrench, unknown tool, and old parts

Post by Darin Hull » Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:37 pm

This is the last tool I found in the old toolbox. Would this be used for mounting/demounting tires on rims?
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