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Happy Halloween All,

Is anyone manufacturing/selling a Horlick-style mountain pan (4-dip)? I'd like to install one on my current rebuild.
Thanks.

R/ Roger.

Do you mean this;
https://www.modeltford.com/item/T4DP-2.aspx

What a stupid thing to do! I wonder how long that solder would last?

Original Smith wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 31, 2020 10:16 am

What a stupid thing to do! I wonder how long that solder would last?

"I believe he solders them in."

Is it impossible for you to be nice?

Duh! Didn't click, need more coffee!

The solder should last, however you would have to remove the inspection plate every time you change the oil unless he left a drain in each of the plates soldered on. Even with the original dips, some oil is left each time the oil is changed. To get all the would need to elevate the front of the car and pour in a quart while the plug is still out even with the original dips.
Norm

I'm trying to figure how the deeper sump will help. Follow along if you will...

The deeper sump means there's more oil in the front half of the bottom of your egine. That's fine, more oil is good. But the issue is, if a T is designed to "scavenge" the oil out of the 4 (or 3) "slots" holding oil to lube the rods (and fling that oil thereabouts into the various other surfaces that need oil), I would be worried that when your oil level drops lower in the deeper pan (because T's do go through oil), it will be below the level where the rods (even equipped with dippers) can reach it...so you have this resevoir of iol below where the rods can access it.

Now on a full pressure (or even a semi-pressure pumped) system, it doesn't mater, because you put the pickup in the bottom of said sump, where it gets squirted to all points north, and bob's your uncle. But on a naturally aapirated lubricated system, those extra quarts of oil sitting below your rods are just sitting there, teasing your rods as they get dryer and dryer, because the "splash oiling system" ins't getting "splash"...

Maybe I'm wrong, and someone can 'splain it to me, but without a way to get that oil down deep into the parts that didst whirl and gyre, it's just sitting there, and lubrucating as well as what's still in the glass bottle, er, paper can, er, plastic bottle at home... because nothing can reach it.

Actually it is just dams toward the rear of the dimples to hold oil for the rods. Ask Admin Jeff to post pictures of the one I built for him, cannot seem to find them. He said it worked out great on his hill.

Hope this Helps,

Hank

Susanne, if you are asking about the wrong item I posted; Even with a pump and drilled crankshaft you would still need to lubricate the valves, pistons and wrist pins, so I assume the inspection plate is still used and the deep sump was for holding and cooling more oil. ?

Silver solder is strong enough to hold Air Conditioning Compressor pressure on the high side for cooling, which cycles from high pressure to higher pressure for years without leaking or failing. Lead/Tin solder is strong enough to hold 99 % of the radiators in the world together under heated water conditions, many with pressure up to 22 LBs PSI like my Sport Trac does. Lead/Tin acid core solder manages to hold gas tanks full of explosive liquid that we carry under the seats in our cars, many of those tanks over 100 years old.

I wouldn't be worried about Soldering those dips in a pan but then I know how to solder. I also know how to braze. I went to school in rural America where boys took things like shop classes and had fathers who bought them 20 lbs of 6013 rod for Christmas and their birthday like my dad did when I was in high school. We had a welder and I knew how to weld with it.

Although I'm not the expert on every damn thing in the world like some people are.

Terry, I don't think Stans comment was aimed at you, but at the author of "it's stupid thing to do" who does seem to think he knows it all. Relax and enjoy!

Terry,

I can see your feathers were ruffled, but as Bill stated, "Not directed at You". That same person has a way of torquing some of us too tight. Life is too short.

Hank

I never even thought that you would think that was directed at you, Terry.
Everybody knows who the world's greatest expert is, I assumed you did too.

Sorry if you took it that way.

Stan, Terry, do your homework.

Steve Jelf wrote: ↑

Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:03 am

Stan, Terry, do your homework.

Mark Gregush wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 31, 2020 12:21 pm

Susanne, if you are asking about the wrong item I posted; Even with a pump and drilled crankshaft you would still need to lubricate the valves, pistons and wrist pins, so I assume the inspection plate is still used and the deep sump was for holding and cooling more oil. ?

You got it. I've tried to figure out how the rods can dip that deep into the pan and catch oil. Maybe you could modify an inspection cover so it (eventually) drains down into the deep sump, but still holds a significant amount of oil in the troughs to lube the rods, piston, cam, keepers, mains, etc...