Unusual starter switch mount info wanted

[Jack Putnam, in Ohio]

This is a factory switch mount on a 23-24 frame. What type of switch was mounted on it? I have not seen this bracket before. Thanks for any help

[Model T Mark]

I think Gail Rodda pointed that kind of switch as used early in starter production in 1919 back when I was a kid. I wish I had written everything down those older guys said back in my teens.

[DanTreace]

Likely the 1919-1920 early switch mount. Photo from Bruce’s book.

[Jack Putnam, in Ohio]

I used the frame hole count and hole placement to date this frame. I thought it was 22 1/2 to 24 model year by the chart, but now I will have to recalculate my thinking. Thanks for your help.

[DanTreace]

Jack

Another photo off prior forum post of a 1919 -20 frame with this riveted mount for foot switch. Yours seems bit different .

[Stephen_heatherly]

Jack

Another photo off prior forum post of a 1919 -20 frame with this riveted mount for foot switch. Yours seems bit different .


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I went and took a look at a 1919 non starter touring a couple weeks ago that had that same bracket riveted to the frame.

Stephen

[John kuehn]

Here is a photo of the switch in my late 24 Coupe. As you can see there is no extra bracket on this car and the switch bolts directly on the frame. I also have another switch that was used I placed next to the one in my car. They are almost identical. The switch was in the car when I got it it in 1958 and seems to be original for the car. Ford must have used several different styles. This on eliminates the use of an ‘extra’ bracket so maybe this was a cost and time saving style that was used. It would save the extra step of riveting the bracket to the frame. Another detail is the frame has the four hole ratchet bracket riveted to it. So it’s a 24.

[Original Smith]

This is the kind of information we need to have available for our members. I have seen those frames before, and they are important for the owners of those cars to know about. I'm not sure, but I believe I've seen examples of switches that are still available to fit those brackets.

[John kuehn]

Lang’s sell a well made replacement starter switch that has the offset bracket attached to it. This is only a guess but by looking at and enlarging the picture of it you could remove the switch portion and mount it on the earlier style frame mounted bracket. You might need to drill two holes to mount it but it looks like it might work. But it’s just a guess of course.

[DanTreace]

Here are the various foot switch used on the T. Maybe more styles, but one shows riveted bracket type.

Photo taken from old forum post.



Once used a Tractor Supply Co. switch sold for universal use. Drilled holes in the std.later bracket that bolts under the running board bracket brace. Of course the early frames didn't have that type of running board brackets or holes, so the early foot switch bracket is riveted to the frame.

One could adapt a modern switch like the TSC to save the original bracket.

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TSC switch on old later std. bolt on bracket.

[Mark Gregush]

My later 1921 has the open style. I do not recall changing it out when I did the chassis. This one is bolted on. In the photo I moved it to the topside of the frame, even with the extension it was too low for my application, normally would be mounted to underside.

[John kuehn]

Hey Dan your picture of the universal tractor switch reminded me of the ones that is sold at T
SC and other farm parts houses. Knew there was one somewhere I had seen. Thanks for the reminder.

[BrianE63]

I would use a Cole-Hersee #9060 or equivalent. C-H are the best quality I have seen. They look like the previously mentioned switch from Tractor Supply and might be the exact same one they are selling.

[John kuehn]

Go to Yesterday’s Tractors and go to 9N Ford tractors. They sell what they call a 9N restoration quality starter switch that has 2 3/4” hole mounting spacing that’s really close to the T frame bracket holes. Almost a direct mount.

[Original Smith]

I think this information s/b entered into the MTFCI judging guidelines. I checked yesterday, and it is not mentioned, and I think it is important.

[Allan]

I have never seen a riveted on bracket on any Canadian sourced cars. As most Canadian sourced cars came with electrical equipment as soon as it was available, I presume the bolt on switch was fitted right from the start
If it is important that this info is incorporated in the judging guidelines, just what info is to be recorded? There are different switches, different brackets, different ways they are mounted, different combinations on different period frames. Until this can be distilled down to known time frames, there can be no definitive guidelines to be made.
Allan from down under.