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Question from one used to the metric system: nuts UNF / UNC

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:40 am
by joe.wal
I would like to order some spare nuts and bolts here in Germany .
The vendors (e.g. at the 'bay') offer hardware with UNC and UNF.
Do I understand it right that for the Ford I need the UNC type (number of threads = 20 per inch) ?

Thanks in advance for any hint !

Re: Question from one used to the metric system: nuts UNF / UNC

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:47 am
by ABoer
Joerg ; Most of the bolts and nuts are : UNF .
And special 3/8 x 24 threads .

Guten Tag
Toon

Re: Question from one used to the metric system: nuts UNF / UNC

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:01 am
by George Mills
Where the Imperial system differs is that the pitch is NOT a constant in both the Fine and the Coarse series (which is opposite of metric where the thread pitches stay a constant pitch for each of the series)

Most auto is Fine series ((UNF) which is also referred to as SAE. There are a few exceptions on a T, such as head bolts which are Coarse series, and magneto brass bolts-these are 14-24 ASME. (Unless there is a repro ring which for some reason they make 1/4-28 UNF)

Re: Question from one used to the metric system: nuts UNF / UNC

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:26 am
by Jerry VanOoteghem
Haven't I seen a chart of all the thread sizes, used throughout the Model T? If someone can post that it may help Joe out.

Re: Question from one used to the metric system: nuts UNF / UNC

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:48 am
by joe.wal
Thanks a lot to all !
So you helped me to order the correct sizes in UNF.

I do have this chart which shows all dimensions of nuts used on a T
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Re: Question from one used to the metric system: nuts UNF / UNC

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:58 am
by George Mills
Bitte. Das metrische system ist so viel einfacher. :D :lol:


The above chart showing the chassis is the SOCKET size used...the thread itself will be different.

Re: Question from one used to the metric system: nuts UNF / UNC

Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:05 am
by George Mills
This came out of one of the local Clubs (author unknown) and has been modified over the years as more becomes known.

Re: Question from one used to the metric system: nuts UNF / UNC

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:47 am
by joe.wal
Very helpful list - thank you !

BUT (sorry, I am beginning to feel very slow on the uptake): the part below shall be 7/16 but I could not bring a 1/2 inch (8/16) wrench on it (too tight) and had to use a metric wrench with 13 mm opening (which should be someting like 8.2/16).
The nut size in inch should name the opening of the wrench, shouldn't it ???
5/16 nut = 5/16 wrench, 1/2 nut = 1/2 wrench etc. --- and this is meant to be the socket ???

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Re: Question from one used to the metric system: nuts UNF / UNC

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:03 am
by AndreFordT
Joe,
You can find most of the bolts and nuts at Granit or Metaalreus.nl, you will pay a fraction of the price and don't need to pay import and other taxes.

Good luck
Andre
Belgium

Re: Question from one used to the metric system: nuts UNF / UNC

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:16 am
by Stephen_heatherly
That chart shows what wrench size you need for each nut and bolt, not the thread sizes.

Stephen

Re: Question from one used to the metric system: nuts UNF / UNC

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:37 am
by joe.wal
Great tip André - that is even better than ordering in the U.K. !
Now also found the 'zollshop' here in Germany.

Thanks Stephen - that does confirm to myself that I am not totally 'NUTS'

Re: Question from one used to the metric system: nuts UNF / UNC

Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:11 pm
by Allan
Jeorg, the part you show is not a typical example of nut/bolt sizes. 7/16" is the thread size but the brass hex on the grease fitting is smaller than the usual nut used on a 7/16" bolt. It is a thin walled pressing. As such, it should not be used as a locknut on your fan shaft.

Allan from down under.