Enclosed trailer tie downs
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Enclosed trailer tie downs
Have any of you developed a tie down system for a Model T for an enclosed trailer that works without getting in the front of the trailer. A friend has a 14 ft enclosed with a remote controlled winch. He would like to secure the car from the back without having to climb in the front of the trailer to install tie downs. Any ideas out there?
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Re: Enclosed trailer tie downs
A suitable “spreader” attachment so the winch is connected to the front axle by BOTH shackles would probably do it.
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Re: Enclosed trailer tie downs
I suggest a slight trailer modification. My enclosed trailer has a door in the front making it very easy to stand between the tow hitch frame rails and secure the front of the car from outside the trailer. Barn doors in the back, right side door for easy in-out, and front door for access and tie down. It's old and ugly, but very functional.
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Re: Enclosed trailer tie downs
I put motorcycle chocks in the front of the trailer and use a winch to pull the front wheels into them then cross tie the rear axle.
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Re: Enclosed trailer tie downs
Winch from the rear by threading the cable thru a pulley that slips over the front axle {in the middle of the axle} and bring the cable to a tie down at the rear of trailer. Then winch the car to position you want it, fasten rear tie downs with some slack and then winch tight. You will end up withe cable taut forward and two tie downs securing rear motion.
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Re: Enclosed trailer tie downs
The weakest part of a winch cable is the crimp to make the eye on the end of the cable, when you transport a vehicle with the cable tight it is constantly jerking on the cable at it weakest point and you are relaying on the winch brake to hold it. With a enclosed trailer if the brake doesn't hold or the crimp fails learning about it will be rather unpleasant. Also the winch cable is not legally considered a tie down.
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Trailer Design
Hi Jerry
As mentioned above - if there is not a
door in the front - cut a door in the front
of the trailer - or two doors - depending
on if it is a v nose or coffin front.
They make framed flush doors you can buy:
@ https://www.google.com/shopping/product ... 49072,cs:1
The best way that I have found to secure a
Model T or a Model A is using axle straps
thru the wheels combined with ratcheting
straps to pull the front & rear to the center.
I have always designed my own trailers
and I have designed several other trailers
free of charge for other folks utilizing
what I have learned over the years.
Above is a 1934 Ford Roadster secured with
a three point strap arrangement to minimize
side shift and keep the car from moving forward.
Side door are a necessity at the front of
an enclosed trailer - on the passenger
and driver side to allow access to the
center of the vehicle.
If an enclosed trailer doesn’t have that
you can fasten axle straps to the front axle
and attach ratcheting straps with snap hooks
that trail as you load - but they have to be
long enough to reach the rear of the trailer.
That will pull the front towards the rear.
But the rear needs to be secured to the front.
You need a standard 8.5 wide car hauler
to walk around inside the trailer to do that.
I have safely transported at least 300
Model T and Model TT vehicles over
the years.
Trailer design is the key to safe
loading - transport - unloading
FJ
As mentioned above - if there is not a
door in the front - cut a door in the front
of the trailer - or two doors - depending
on if it is a v nose or coffin front.
They make framed flush doors you can buy:
@ https://www.google.com/shopping/product ... 49072,cs:1
The best way that I have found to secure a
Model T or a Model A is using axle straps
thru the wheels combined with ratcheting
straps to pull the front & rear to the center.
I have always designed my own trailers
and I have designed several other trailers
free of charge for other folks utilizing
what I have learned over the years.
Above is a 1934 Ford Roadster secured with
a three point strap arrangement to minimize
side shift and keep the car from moving forward.
Side door are a necessity at the front of
an enclosed trailer - on the passenger
and driver side to allow access to the
center of the vehicle.
If an enclosed trailer doesn’t have that
you can fasten axle straps to the front axle
and attach ratcheting straps with snap hooks
that trail as you load - but they have to be
long enough to reach the rear of the trailer.
That will pull the front towards the rear.
But the rear needs to be secured to the front.
You need a standard 8.5 wide car hauler
to walk around inside the trailer to do that.
I have safely transported at least 300
Model T and Model TT vehicles over
the years.
Trailer design is the key to safe
loading - transport - unloading
FJ
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Re: Enclosed trailer tie downs
Looking at the first photo you posted of that Model A, I'd venture to guess that after several miles & bounces, that spoke you're pulling that strap against didn't stay straight long ! I surely wouldn't appreciate you "pulling" the straps tight right up against my spokes like that !
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The preferred location would have been
where the valve stem is - but there was
a valve stem there.
No spokes were bent or damaged.
Model A’s are heavier than Model T’s.
The wire rim wheels are more stout.
Model A’s have a conventional transmission.
The strap prevents movement.
FJ
where the valve stem is - but there was
a valve stem there.
No spokes were bent or damaged.
Model A’s are heavier than Model T’s.
The wire rim wheels are more stout.
Model A’s have a conventional transmission.
The strap prevents movement.
FJ
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Re: Enclosed trailer tie downs
Rotate the wheel !
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Video Link For Access Door Installation
Here is a YouTube video link for installation
of an access door:
@ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yNlxgcnia ... stallation
FJ
of an access door:
@ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yNlxgcnia ... stallation
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Re: Enclosed trailer tie downs
On Jim's setup it seems IF the tire slips on the floor of the trailer, the strap would then be loose. If the strap was thru the wheel and lined up with the center of the wheel and the tie down point, tire rotation would not let the strap loosen. Just an observation.
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Re: Enclosed trailer tie downs
We have no problem securing the rear of the T to the rear of the trailer. We are looking for an easy way to secure the front without having to squeeze pass the right front fender into about 1ft of floor space. I don’t think an additional front door is in his future, although it would solve the problem, and I don’t want to rely on the winch to hold the car from moving backwards. A couple of saddles for the front wheels would work but would make it hard to unload. He plans on screwing 2X4s to the floor as guides for the wheels.
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Angle Of Attachment
Dan
The higher the axle strap is on the rim
the steeper the angle is to the point of
e-trac fastening.
The steeper the angle is - the more likelihood
there is that the running boards will be damaged.
If the wheels are in good condition
and If the spokes are tight and if
the wheels are secured to the spindle
and if the wheels are in line and the straps
are oriented in line then the Model T
stays in place for the trip.
This is what works for my transport purposes.
FJ
The higher the axle strap is on the rim
the steeper the angle is to the point of
e-trac fastening.
The steeper the angle is - the more likelihood
there is that the running boards will be damaged.
If the wheels are in good condition
and If the spokes are tight and if
the wheels are secured to the spindle
and if the wheels are in line and the straps
are oriented in line then the Model T
stays in place for the trip.
This is what works for my transport purposes.
FJ
Google “ Model T Transport “
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Loading & Unloading
Jerry
I started a thread about an inexpensive
system I developed to guide vehicles
in and out of trailers while loading
and unloading with an electric winch:
@ https://mtfca.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=15880
FJ
I started a thread about an inexpensive
system I developed to guide vehicles
in and out of trailers while loading
and unloading with an electric winch:
@ https://mtfca.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=15880
FJ
Google “ Model T Transport “
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Re: Enclosed trailer tie downs
Lots of IFs in that bloviation