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Emeraude
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Need help with touring top

Post by Emeraude » Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:22 pm

I have started to install my claastique top on my 21 touring. I have wrapped the bows installed them and am confused on what to install first. The instalation video shows installing the windshield flap first and the instructions after the straps and pads. In reviewing both I am totally confused as neither is very clear. Can anyone help me on the windshield flap or have photos of the instalation?
Another question I have is the centerline on the rear. When I wrapped the bows I put a center mark on the bows. After I had the bows I dropped a plumbob the the center on the bow to the center on the body and it is off about 2 inches. Can this be corrected or is it ok?
Will appreciate any help.

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Re: Need help with touring top

Post by CudaMan » Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:19 pm

I suggest calling Elizabeth at Class-it-up, she's the expert:

http://www.class-it-up.com/
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Art Ebeling
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Re: Need help with touring top

Post by Art Ebeling » Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:36 pm

The windshield flap is confusing but I have some pictures of it and the rest of my top installation. The flap goes on after the bows are wrapped, then the straps and then the padding. I can email some pictures tomorrow. Art

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Re: Need help with touring top

Post by Oldav8tor » Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:01 pm

Before you attempt to fit the top you need to have the frame and bows securely braced in their proper positions. You then need to run the webbing from front to back, followed by the two pads. Note the wire cross bracing and the wood pieces holding the vertical bows straight and supporting the bow over the windshield. Next is the rear piece then the top. The material needs to be warm and it may take a couple of days to get the top stretched into shape before you finally tack it down. Me, I chickened out and hired a guy who's done a bunch of tops to do mine. I believe it was money well spent. Tops are expensive, especially if you screw up the installation.

I have not found a good installation video and the directions from Classtique aren't too helpful. At the very least try to find someone who has done one before to advise or help you.
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Re: Need help with touring top

Post by Norman Kling » Mon Mar 01, 2021 9:20 pm

On that year of touring, you have two leather straps running from the top bow to the top support (that is the rod which holds the saddle) You can adjust those straps to pull the bow in one direction or the other. Same holds true for the straps on the windshield support to the front bow. You can also get some pull to straighten things out as you install the straps inside the pads and those other two straps between the front and back bows. The main thing you need to do is get the proper distance from the top of the body to the rear bow and also the proper distance of the front bow in front of the windshield. You might not be able to get it exact, but when you install the top, the distance from the back bow should be the same on both sides. Some people measure the distance from the ground to the rear bow, but if the car leans, and you measure from the ground instead of the back of the body, it will always look crooked. After you get the front and back bows, you need to get both center bows straight up and down and then tack them to the straps.
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Re: Need help with touring top

Post by Allan » Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:05 am

The bows are the foundation of the top. They need to be right. I use thin laths of timber to set them. Two hold the back bow in place. Tack them to the inside at the top and to the back of the seat at the bottom. They set the bow at the correct angle to the rear body panel and to the same height each side. Two long laths go front to back. With the back end already fixed, they should be the same length to the front. With the ends held, then adjust the second and third bows to the same positions on each lath and tack them in position. Now you are ready to fix the webbing and pads. With these installed, the laths can be removed and all should stay in the right place.

The wind breaker and back panel are fitted before the top. That way the top overlaps both, and any water is shed away from the bows and down the outside of the the two panels.

Some have difficulty fitting the wind breaker. It goes under the front bow. Draw it tight on the under side, pull the end up on the outside of the bow and tack/staple it each end. Then draw the front up the outside of the bow and staple it. That will leave the corners to be gathered as you staple them to the outside of the bow. The result is a windbreaker which lays flat along the underside of the bow. When you put the top up, the windscreen pushes against the flap and holds it down over the screen.

This much I do myself. Because our colonial tops are custom made to fit, I have the rest done by the trimmer who sews the panels. His expertise results in a beautiful, crease free fit.

Hope this helps.
Allan from down under.

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