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Engine stuck, old man steamed
This is both mystifying and infuriating. I thought I would turn the engine to line up with the U-joint and found it absolutely stuck solid. Even putting all my weight on the hand crank won't budge it. When it was on the stand, before I nstalled the pan and the hogshead, I could grab the flywheel and turn it, but nothing will move now. I suppose I will have to put the thing back on the stand, pull the hogshead, and try to find what's stuck. But first I'll go and do some other things while I calm down.
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Re: Engine stuck, old man steamed
Is one the bands to tight or is a pedal depressed for some reason, with the clutch out everything is a brake!
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That's frustrated for sure. I would suggest to take a beer or a cup of tea that will help to calm down... I know what that mean, I removed my 1911 engine 4 times and also remove transmission twice...
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Re: Engine stuck, old man steamed
Pull the bottom inspection cover first to see if there's anything obvious going on down there.
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Re: Engine stuck, old man steamed
Steve - After your "cool-down period", unless something else comes to mind, I would just loosen the hogshead bolts and see if that frees things up. You mentioned that the engine turned BEFORE you installed the pan and the hogshead. Hope this helps,.....harold
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.....I should have mentioned what brought this to mind,......I know of two cases (one of which I was involved in at a club "work party" to replace all three band linings) and we had the "locked engine" problem on that job, AFTER the hogshead was tightened down. Hard to remember the exact details, but it had to do with the fact that certain hogshead covers and certain "non-factory" removable ear bands are not compatible. If I remember correctly from the forum, I believe Tony Bowker had a similar problem. (???) Okay,...I'll "shut-up" now,.....harold
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Re: Engine stuck, old man steamed
Did you install the engine in the car? if so check the u-joint pin, I have seen them break and fall enough to lock up the car, Bob
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Re: Engine stuck, old man steamed
Is that pliers you have resting in the oil filler hole jamming the timing gear?
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Easy does it! The engine still has the clutch engaged, as the clutch lever isn't on the handbrake cam.
When you turned the engine over by the flywheel, same too, but the flywheel is many times the diameter of the circle the hand crank can turn, plus you used both hand and arms on that large flywheel to turn the engine over when on the stand. Bet that was a bit of a hard turn then, even with the most leverage.
With crank handle only, difficult to turn, perhaps due to pistons tight if this is a new build.
Try dribbling some thin oil down into the cylinders, so the rings are moistened, that may help free up the the beast. Had an fresh assembled engine on the wheel around stand, and same thing, sat for about year or more. Try to hand crank. Stuck. Added oil to the cylinders, let it sit. Then put a large pipe wrench on crank handle, padded at the bend of the handle, and pushed with one foot, got that thing free again......just needed coaxing with a bit more leverage.
More leverage , two hands with pipe on the crank handle
Easy does it! The engine still has the clutch engaged, as the clutch lever isn't on the handbrake cam.
When you turned the engine over by the flywheel, same too, but the flywheel is many times the diameter of the circle the hand crank can turn, plus you used both hand and arms on that large flywheel to turn the engine over when on the stand. Bet that was a bit of a hard turn then, even with the most leverage.
With crank handle only, difficult to turn, perhaps due to pistons tight if this is a new build.
Try dribbling some thin oil down into the cylinders, so the rings are moistened, that may help free up the the beast. Had an fresh assembled engine on the wheel around stand, and same thing, sat for about year or more. Try to hand crank. Stuck. Added oil to the cylinders, let it sit. Then put a large pipe wrench on crank handle, padded at the bend of the handle, and pushed with one foot, got that thing free again......just needed coaxing with a bit more leverage.
More leverage , two hands with pipe on the crank handle
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Ooh...Adam good eyes....missed that!
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I like the “loosen all the pan bolts and nuts” idea. When on the engine stand did you turn the flywheel a full 360* ? What clearance did you set the field coil to magnets?
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Re: Engine stuck, old man steamed
There is little chance of the pan/hogs head binding on anything UNLESS:
the pan shifted slightly OR the pan was not perfect and installing the hog's head "tweaked" the end of the pan and the 4th main is now very slightly off. This will jam up an engine like you absolutely cannot believe.
I'd pop the 4th main off and see if that engine will now turn.
And, I'd remove pliers and install the oil cap!
the pan shifted slightly OR the pan was not perfect and installing the hog's head "tweaked" the end of the pan and the 4th main is now very slightly off. This will jam up an engine like you absolutely cannot believe.
I'd pop the 4th main off and see if that engine will now turn.
And, I'd remove pliers and install the oil cap!
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Bands too tight? Nope. Loosened the reverse and brake as far as I could without the nuts falling off. Loosened the low band all the way. Still stuck.
Pliers jammed in timing gear? Nope. Pliers are out, cap is on.
Mismatch of hogshead and bands? Nope.They're all the same ones that were there before.
I'll try the ball cap idea, but I doubt it's binding. It went on easy.
Magnet gap is set wide. .035" to .040".
Too stuck from sitting to turn with the hand crank? Maybe. It's been sitting with new rings and valves since July. I'll dribble some 3 in 1 into the cylinders and let it sit overnight. Or should I use MMO?
Pliers jammed in timing gear? Nope. Pliers are out, cap is on.
Mismatch of hogshead and bands? Nope.They're all the same ones that were there before.
I'll try the ball cap idea, but I doubt it's binding. It went on easy.
Magnet gap is set wide. .035" to .040".
Too stuck from sitting to turn with the hand crank? Maybe. It's been sitting with new rings and valves since July. I'll dribble some 3 in 1 into the cylinders and let it sit overnight. Or should I use MMO?
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Re: Engine stuck, old man steamed
Helped a buddy with a fresh babbit motor. It sat several months. babbiter fits them up too tight. When i am working with a new babbit job, i usually add 1 shim & timesaver for proper bearing contact. fresh babbit grows.
Anyway, we dragged the t around the block. never brook loose.
We put a jack under the crank handle in start position & lifted the front end. (plugs out). Figured which piston was on the combustion down stroke & adapted the plug hole for compressed air. 80lbs it finally started to move. Got to where we could barely turn the motor over & dragged around the block. To wear in the bearings.
I consider all this abusive to the driveline, but it got the job done.
Anyway, we dragged the t around the block. never brook loose.
We put a jack under the crank handle in start position & lifted the front end. (plugs out). Figured which piston was on the combustion down stroke & adapted the plug hole for compressed air. 80lbs it finally started to move. Got to where we could barely turn the motor over & dragged around the block. To wear in the bearings.
I consider all this abusive to the driveline, but it got the job done.
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I have also seen fresh babbit get (sticky) from sitting.
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Ball cap binding? Nope. It's off. Still stuck.
I'll try the MMO soak.
I'll try the MMO soak.
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Re: Engine stuck, old man steamed
Steve, pull up on the crank. Dont push down!
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Re: Engine stuck, old man steamed
You have been getting some excellent advice here.
Have you tried to turn the engine backwards?
You would have to do so with the u-joint in the back of the transmission.
That may tell you if something has dropped down and is jamming some thing in the engine or transmission.
If the driveshaft is not hooked up it only takes a minute with a Crescent wrench.
I have done this on a couple of non- Model T engines with success.
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Have you tried to turn the engine backwards?
You would have to do so with the u-joint in the back of the transmission.
That may tell you if something has dropped down and is jamming some thing in the engine or transmission.
If the driveshaft is not hooked up it only takes a minute with a Crescent wrench.
I have done this on a couple of non- Model T engines with success.
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What did you put the engine together with as far as lubrication. If it’s been sitting since July the cylinders and the rest of the moving parts surfaces may have simply dried up in it since July. I’d pour a little mmo or somthing for lubrication and squirt some light grade oil or maybe more mmo on the rod journals.
I’d try to turn the engine one way or the other from the unjoint and try to turn it with a good sized wrench and see what happens.
Don’t be shy with the mmo or thin oil and pour it in the engine. It sure won’t hurt anything.
I’d try to turn the engine one way or the other from the unjoint and try to turn it with a good sized wrench and see what happens.
Don’t be shy with the mmo or thin oil and pour it in the engine. It sure won’t hurt anything.
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As an aside, how do others feel about hoisting the engine /trans assembly on two head bolt holes, especially with the chains attached to the end of the bolts? Is that asking a bit much of 100 year old cast iron? My three legged chain fall goes down to the pan rail at the back.
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Jack the front axle, position the crank at 7:00, put a block under the crank and gently lower the jack until the crank handle is sitting on the block and let the weight of the car release whatever is binding the engine. Jim Patrick
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If the engine was free until you tightened down the crankcase bolts, there is a strong possibility that the slanting front of the flywheel pocket, where the wishbone socket is, has been sprung inwards enough so that when it gets drawn down by the bolts it springs the bottom half of the field coil into the magnets, locking everything up. I've seen that happen before. Unfortunately that is one area that the KRW pan jig can't check for.
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AllanAllan wrote: ↑Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:21 pmAs an aside, how do others feel about hoisting the engine /trans assembly on two head bolt holes, especially with the chains attached to the end of the bolts? Is that asking a bit much of 100 year old cast iron? My three legged chain fall goes down to the pan rail at the back.
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To me ....if the block threads are good condition, and clean; then using bolts there is OK.
But those tall and spindly bolt shanks could twist and bend, as the engine is tilted. Use of a block plate, solid to the block, and two or more bolts, flush and secure, spreading the load on those 7/16" bolt holes is OK to pull with little risk.
Or, for me the special plug lifts, when the cylinder head is installed is plenty safe. The pull out force of 1/2" pipe thread of steel in iron is well over 1,000 lbs.
And....on topic. Steve has stated the engine has been stored for 8 months without turning over the crank handle, that motor is just plain stuck/stiff that so persuading with leverage is needed, after a little soak in some slippery stuff
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Re: Engine stuck, old man steamed
Here is my guess, based on personal experience. Loosen your fourth main and pull is back about halfway or slide it out. You may then be able to turn the engine over as before. If you can then you likely have a slightly bent pan. It takes very little to bind up the crank with a misaligned pan/fourth man combination. I bought a car with a similar issue. It ran great till I tried to replace a weak tranny spring and found a very worn out fourth main. I replaced the spring and got a rebabitted fourth main sized to my tail shaft. Installed it and reconnected rear axle. She was locked up right. Took it apart and turned over freely. Took the engine out and tore it down. Found that all of the Babbitt in the center main had been redistributed due to a crank that was being deflected severely by the previous fourth main. These were the consequences of installing a pan that had not been checked/straightened on a
pan jig. Lesson I learned: always check the pan on a jig when rebuilding a Model T. Hope you find the problem. Mike
pan jig. Lesson I learned: always check the pan on a jig when rebuilding a Model T. Hope you find the problem. Mike
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I concur with R.V. regarding the area behind the front radius rod although 3 dip pans are quite tough in that area compared to a 4 dip but a good front end collision can surely impact that area.
As far as lifting a complete engine for removal or replacement - I've got a "2 plug" gizmo that's adjustable to tipping or this is the best tool !
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I never have the patience to wait till it’s in the car to fire it up. Set it in a stand, add oil, plug the lower water jacket and fill it with water, put some chainsaw gas in the can and let her rip.
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Have you tried to turn it over since July? Maybe it has something to do with the temperature. If it is cold inside your garage, the parts might have contracted. I would suggest you jack up the rear axle and try to align the universal joint by rotating the rear end. When you get it in place, then lower the car and see if you can turn the engine by pushing the car in high gear. Other things I can think of would be a severe mis alignment of the crankcase. However if you are using the same parts as they were when they came off, and it turned OK before you took it apart, and if you aligned the universal 4th main ball joint it should turn. I suspect the problem could be the thicker band lining could also be a cause of the problem.
When I rebuild an engine, This includes new pistons and re-bore or sleeve the block with new rings and new or adjusted rod bearings, it does seen to be hard to crank over with either the hand crank or starter, but when I pull it with another vehicle to start the engine and let it run for a few minutes, it loosens up enough so it can be cranked without pulling the car. So maybe it is ok or maybe too tight. I wish I were near enough to help you, but can only guess what could be wrong. I just hope you didn't drop anything in the crankcase which could be locking things up.
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When I rebuild an engine, This includes new pistons and re-bore or sleeve the block with new rings and new or adjusted rod bearings, it does seen to be hard to crank over with either the hand crank or starter, but when I pull it with another vehicle to start the engine and let it run for a few minutes, it loosens up enough so it can be cranked without pulling the car. So maybe it is ok or maybe too tight. I wish I were near enough to help you, but can only guess what could be wrong. I just hope you didn't drop anything in the crankcase which could be locking things up.
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Have you tried to turn it over since July?
Yes. I had to turn it when I bolted on the flywheel recently. Naturally, I had to turn it a few times when I set the mag ring gap, and a few more times when I put in the bolts and wired them. I have MMO soaking in the cylinders. We'll see what happens tomorrow.
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Did you reline the bands? Try stamping and holding the pedals down to compress the linings a little so the drums can turn inside them. Back off the band adjustment nuts and see if it will crank over.
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Did you reline the bands?
No. I reinstalled them as they were, perfectly OK. They are as loose as I can get them without the nuts falling off, as I posted at 3:41 PM.
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I don't know why your engine is stuck, but I would personally be leery of trying to force it to turn. Something is clearly wrong and excessive force can cause damage.
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Have you checked the pressure in the tires ?
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Re: Engine stuck, old man steamed
Dams Steve it sure sounds like the atmosphere got to it. You stated it turned when you set the magnets. Was that the last time? No 4th. Installed, bands loose. Can’t see the pan or hogs head being the problem especially if both are original to the engine. Letting it soak is a good thing but how to get it moving is the question. I’m thinking two large screw drivers in the starter hole. Jerking it back & forth might do it. Keep your head on your shoulders and the wrenches out of your hands for a bit. This is a two pipe problem.
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Re: Engine stuck, old man steamed
Do you have a counterbalanced crank with a welded in dam behind the 4th rod. I've seen that one be a problem before.
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Does it have a Scat crank? If so, the rear counterweight can hit the horseshoe that the lower cover bolts thread into. I had that happen once. I failed to check for clearance there, and when I bolted the cover up, the engine would not turn over. After a few minutes of panic, I realized what I had done. Every Scat crank I have installed has required the horseshoe to be relieved for clearance in the center rear so the counterweight does not make contact. Also, I make sure to use the correct bolt length there so that the bolts do not extend past the horseshoe plate.
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Re: Engine stuck, old man steamed
Steve, don't get worked up and go slow you will fin it! Was either the head or block decked? Is your valve train loose?? Bud.
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Re: Engine stuck, old man steamed
Steve, this car has a curse !!
I have to agree with something is wedged and you need to try to turn it backwards.
Poss. something hitting the pan or something got on the magnets or timing gears when assembling.
Before disassembling major components, remove the inspection covers and look.
If a backwards rotation does any good, you still need to find the cause...I recently bought a
borescope from Amazon for less than $20, USB port, plugs right into my laptop and has a nice picture on the screen.
Might be able to see something, since it's all clean inside still.
Best of luck...Dave
I have to agree with something is wedged and you need to try to turn it backwards.
Poss. something hitting the pan or something got on the magnets or timing gears when assembling.
Before disassembling major components, remove the inspection covers and look.
If a backwards rotation does any good, you still need to find the cause...I recently bought a
borescope from Amazon for less than $20, USB port, plugs right into my laptop and has a nice picture on the screen.
Might be able to see something, since it's all clean inside still.
Best of luck...Dave
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Re: Engine stuck, old man steamed
Steve, I hesitate to recommend this but it has worked for me on several tractor engines that were seized. After removing the head I poured a quantity of denatured alcohol onto the tops of the pistons, lit it and allowed it to burn for a while. When it was consumed I administered some solvent (MMO) and proceeded to the next bore. A few treatments and the engines were able to be bumped free. My theory, for what it is worth, is that the flame heats the bores in the block while the evaporating alcohol cools the piston which creates a stress that opens a small crack for the solvent to penetrate. Of course the whole process is dangerous since alcohol burns with an almost invisible flame and there are a lot of things that can catch fire and go wrong. Murphy's law has plenty of room to operate!
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Re: Engine stuck, old man steamed
My only suggestion would be to loosen up the rods. Ether the pistons are tight in the holes or one or more rods are too tight on the crank. I have a 1916 Dodge engine that is stuck. Dodge only used 2 notches and of course it is stuck at TDC so the hand crank is straight up or down! I know that last bit does not help you, but I feel your frustration.
The oil fill hole is in front of the cam gear not over it.
The oil fill hole is in front of the cam gear not over it.
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Re: Engine stuck, old man steamed
The two rear inspection plate bolts can hit the crank if they are too long- more so with a Scatt crank- try removing those two bolts or backing them out .
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One thing you can try be sure the ignition switch is off! Try hooking the crank to the engine hoist and see if you can raise it. Change the position of the crank and try to make a full rotation. If you can, the engine is tight, but if you can't, something is interfering with the crankshaft or transmission.
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If what I am seeing is correct, the crank looks to be horizontal to the engine, the pistons tops can not bee seen and if you look close you can see the hole for the pin in the pulley on top. So even if a SCAT crank were installed, does not look like it would be in position to be hitting as suggested.
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My experience with old inline engines is that those tend to be the hardest to get to move if they have been sitting for a good while. Don’t know about anybody else’s expierence but that’s been mine.
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Re: Engine stuck, old man steamed
The pin in the location seen indicates that the piston is halfway down the bore. That’s where it would be if the counterweight is hitting the horseshoe.Mark Gregush wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 1:25 pmIf what I am seeing is correct, the crank looks to be horizontal to the engine, the pistons tops can not bee seen and if you look close you can see the hole for the pin in the pulley on top. So even if a SCAT crank were installed, does not look like it would be in position to be hitting as suggested.
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I thought I posted this afternoon, but apparently I didn't click Submit.
No, but they don't look flat.
1915.
SCAT crank, no dam. But did I get the horseshoe in upside down? Nope. Took off the inspection cover and inspected. Horseshoe was AOK.
So at that point I figured it had to be something under the hogshead. When I pulled it I found that was right, but the problem wasn't anything I or anybody else would have guessed.
When I assembled the mag ring I didn't have the proper rivet, so I used a machine screw to hold the base for the solder blob. I didn't make the countersink deep enough, so the screw head was out far enough for a magnet plate to get stuck on it. When I turned the engine backwards it moved about an inch until the other magnet plate hit the screw. This will be a fairly simple fix.
But before I put that hogshead back on I'm going to take the time to make a pedal spring compressor and perhaps make pedal installation a little less annoying.
Have you checked the pressure in the tires ?
No, but they don't look flat.
I’m thinking two large screw drivers in the starter hole.
1915.
Do you have a counterbalanced crank with a welded in dam behind the 4th rod.
SCAT crank, no dam. But did I get the horseshoe in upside down? Nope. Took off the inspection cover and inspected. Horseshoe was AOK.
So at that point I figured it had to be something under the hogshead. When I pulled it I found that was right, but the problem wasn't anything I or anybody else would have guessed.
When I assembled the mag ring I didn't have the proper rivet, so I used a machine screw to hold the base for the solder blob. I didn't make the countersink deep enough, so the screw head was out far enough for a magnet plate to get stuck on it. When I turned the engine backwards it moved about an inch until the other magnet plate hit the screw. This will be a fairly simple fix.
But before I put that hogshead back on I'm going to take the time to make a pedal spring compressor and perhaps make pedal installation a little less annoying.
The inevitable often happens.
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Re: Engine stuck, old man steamed
Glad you found it Steve! Things can drive you a little crazy when working by yourself as you and I do. Really glad its an easy fix for you. I just had to bust your chops a bit.
Hope to see you next week in OK.
Hope to see you next week in OK.
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Glad to hear you found the problem. We have all been down those frustrating roads.
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It's good you found it. If it had started, the mag would not have lasted very long. Good for you!
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Great!!! Bud.
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It’s the little things that can drive you nuts. Glad you found it too!
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Good job finding the problem before serious additional damage occured. The inevetable does sometimes happen, but the consequences aren't always catastrophic. And every photograph in this thread so far, has been right side up! Good luck, man. jb
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Steve,
From your other post "Installing the hogshead: Is there a better way?" it looks like something more, happened since installation.
From your other post "Installing the hogshead: Is there a better way?" it looks like something more, happened since installation.
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Yes, it looks like you need to do more checking. After the steam clears out. Keep in mind this is all fun! Cheers, Bill
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Good look back to earlier photos.
I too wondered how that mag contact on the ring got snagged, and pushed down.
Since it was nice before hogshead on....believe now the hogshead dragged on install, too close to the ring, since it’s a ‘15, would be alum hogshead, easy to wrestle around by trying to set pedal shafts too and force to wrong spot?
Good look back to earlier photos.
I too wondered how that mag contact on the ring got snagged, and pushed down.
Since it was nice before hogshead on....believe now the hogshead dragged on install, too close to the ring, since it’s a ‘15, would be alum hogshead, easy to wrestle around by trying to set pedal shafts too and force to wrong spot?
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I keep thinking somehow something is binding either the timing gears or the transmission gears... maybe a dropped bolt / washer / cotter key? Once it's wedged in there you're locked up... sad part is you have to get into it to find it, but once it's out it should turn normally, Good luck, Steve!
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Hmmm, looks like the screwdriver slot on the newly rebuilt mag ring is vertical.... on the "stuck" one it's horizonal.
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I can't quite tell from the picture, but is that triangular block pulled out from the mag ring? If it is flush against it, then it is too thick and sticks out too far toward the magnets. Notice the picture posted by Varmint That block should not protrude farther than the coil rings and yours looks like it does.
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Gee, we do have some observant folks here.
This view may show better what's going on. The triangle as originally installed had the solder blob too far forward, so it was not centered in the mag post hole. When I moved it toward the rear to center it in the hole, the screw wasn't countersunk in the triangle enough. Here you can see the magnet plate hitting the head of the screw. I will be making a better triangle that will position the blob correctly without a screw head sticking out.
With the triangle and blob removed, the engine now turns freely all the way around.
This view may show better what's going on. The triangle as originally installed had the solder blob too far forward, so it was not centered in the mag post hole. When I moved it toward the rear to center it in the hole, the screw wasn't countersunk in the triangle enough. Here you can see the magnet plate hitting the head of the screw. I will be making a better triangle that will position the blob correctly without a screw head sticking out.
With the triangle and blob removed, the engine now turns freely all the way around.
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Re: Engine stuck, old man steamed
Steve,
Small yet just as frustrating, but at least problem found.
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Small yet just as frustrating, but at least problem found.
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Why are you not utilizing a rivet as designed ?
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The right sized rivet seems to be made of unobtainium.
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Re: Engine stuck, old man steamed
The comment about air in the tires was actually to suggest looking farther afield
for a problem. Looks like that wasn't too far off. Good work !
Just curious, why did you take on that flywheel rebuild and not just buy a new one ?
That was a LOT of work !
for a problem. Looks like that wasn't too far off. Good work !
Just curious, why did you take on that flywheel rebuild and not just buy a new one ?
That was a LOT of work !
More people are doing it today than ever before !
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Since you could grab the flywheel and spin it before the hogshead installation, did you move the triangle in the intervening time or did something drag it aft?
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It may be an illusion, but on my screen it looks like a cold solder job on the ribbon and blob, solder appears to be sitting on top of the metal with little on the edge or underside.
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Just curious, why did you take on that flywheel rebuild and not just buy a new one ?
$265.
Since you could grab the flywheel and spin it before the hogshead installation, did you move the triangle in the intervening time or did something drag it aft?
See my post at 11:29 AM today.
It may be an illusion, but on my screen it looks like a cold solder job on the ribbon and blob...
Nope. It was hot, hot, hot.
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