Model T Ford Club of America
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Sandow wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:26 pm17 and looking for my first car and I’d like it to be a brass era Auto, ext. I wanted a brass Ford Model T, but since there a bit tight I’d also be interested in other early cars as well. Just looking for a nice affordable car that I can take care of and enjoy.
Any leads or Info is much appreciated...Thank you
Just be careful.
Can you message me what classic car museums and car lots you went to if possible...Thank you
YEA, LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE ANY EXPERIENCED MODEL T GENTLEMAN WHO WENT WITH ME TO LOOK AT A 16 TOURING, BUT SALE DIDN'T GO THROUGH...THANK YOU FOR THE ADVICESteve Jelf wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:10 pmJust be careful.
Yes. Sellers who misrepresent a car are not all crooked. Sometimes they sincerely believe baloney they've been told. Either way you get screwed. That's why it's best to have an experienced Model T person with you when you go shopping.
an* typoSandow wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:48 pmYEA, LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE ANY EXPERIENCED MODEL T GENTLEMAN WHO WENT WITH ME TO LOOK AT A 16 TOURING, BUT SALE DIDN'T GO THROUGH...THANK YOU FOR THE ADVICESteve Jelf wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:10 pmJust be careful.
Yes. Sellers who misrepresent a car are not all crooked. Sometimes they sincerely believe baloney they've been told. Either way you get screwed. That's why it's best to have an experienced Model T person with you when you go shopping.
What will you be asking? Thank you
Looking for the right car and even though i might not have a ton of financial compensation for the automobile, i think that hard work and the love of history as well as antique automobiles means more at the end of the day because a car can sit in a barn or garage after a bunch of money was spent, but if its not well taken care of and appreciated by somEone who honestly cares Or is just trying to resell the car (which i see pretty often), you almost would have rather it gone to the true preserver and car enthusiast. looking for something that someone wants to go to be appreciated and enjoyed. I am saving up and working hard to earn more money, but i'd still want a good car for a good price as i'd want more left over to take care of the car and make any repairs it may need instead of having it sit while i gather the resources (provide an good environment, atmosphere, and condition for the car/auto). I'd also like to start while i'm still young to learn as much knowledge as possible while a lot of the good teachers are still around and to help bring the joy of knowledgeably preserving these pieces of history into the next generation and the future.Burger in Spokane wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:11 amWhen I was 17, an early car like that might have been been attainable on
a lawn mowing and paper route budget. Not sure about that today. What
is your budget ?
I HOPE THAT HELPS, THANK YOUSandow wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:09 pmLooking for the right car and even though i might not have a ton of financial compensation for the automobile, i think that hard work and the love of history as well as antique automobiles means more at the end of the day because a car can sit in a barn or garage after a bunch of money was spent, but if its not well taken care of and appreciated by somEone who honestly cares Or is just trying to resell the car (which i see pretty often), you almost would have rather it gone to the true preserver and car enthusiast. looking for something that someone wants to go to be appreciated and enjoyed. I am saving up and working hard to earn more money, but i'd still want a good car for a good price as i'd want more left over to take care of the car and make any repairs it may need instead of having it sit while i gather the resources (provide an good environment, atmosphere, and condition for the car/auto). I'd also like to start while i'm still young to learn as much knowledge as possible while a lot of the good teachers are still around and to help bring the joy of knowledgeably preserving these pieces of history into the next generation and the future.Burger in Spokane wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:11 amWhen I was 17, an early car like that might have been been attainable on
a lawn mowing and paper route budget. Not sure about that today. What
is your budget ?
GETTING IN CONTACT WITH ALL THE LOCAL ONES/groups AND GETTING ON THERE MAILING LISTS RIGHT NOW, JUST MET WITH THE GUYS UP IN THE VILLAGES THE OTHER DAY AND LOOKED AT A "LOCAL" MODEL T FOR SALE WHILE MY MOM AND I WERE UP THERE AND I INTRODUCED MYSELF TO A lot OF THE LOCAL PRESERVES AND ENTHUsIETS IN THE AREA WHO RUN AND KEEPT tHESE CARS ALREADY...HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF GREAT ADVICE FROM THEM AND THE LOCAL GUYS, GOOD ADVICE. THANK YOU, SHOULD MABYE CHECK OUT HEMMINGS AGAIN
ThanksSteve Jelf wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:45 pmYou'll pay a lot more for an earlier T than you will for a later brass car (14-16). And when you get into Models A through S you're talking real money. These may help you decide what you're looking for:
http://dauntlessgeezer.com/DG98.html
http://dauntlessgeezer.com/DG99.html
This page is about selling, but of course the places where you sell are also the places where you look when you're shopping: http://dauntlessgeezer.com/DG100.html
THANK YOUivaldes1 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 12:08 amWelcome to the brother and sisterhood Mason!
Sandow wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:26 pm17 and looking for my first car and I’d like it to be a brass era Auto, ext. I wanted a brass Ford Model T, but since there a bit tight I’d also be interested in other early cars as well. Just looking for a nice affordable car that I can take care of and enjoy.
Any leads or Info is much appreciated...Thank you
Looking for more of an all original type car personally or something thats been fixed up or kept running, ext over time. Preferably unrestored, but if restored an older restoration or a newer one thats nicely done, but kept original. Although i was looking at this green Model T the other day and was pretty interested in it, so open to anything.1912touring wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:22 pmIf I decide to sell the tourabout, I would be asking around $20,000.
It is a completely new "1910" Model T built up from new and used parts, including a Ray Wells body, Ross Lilliker professionally rebuilt 1916 engine and Classtique button-tufted interior. The car gives you the brass era look without the headaches and worries of attending to an early car. Been there, done that.
She'll be 100 next September, going to take her to my local Ford dealer for an oil change for laughs. It's certainly possible to own a fine Ford motor car at a young age, Model Ts are easily the most accessible classic cars, and I don't think it gets much better than putting around in a Flivver if I may say so. They're quite robust and capable little vehicles that are easy to work on, though they require a different sort of mechanical inclination from modern vehicles. Eventually you'll find the right one, and when you do, you'll know. Thank you for that and for sharing your story. Will appreciate that sentiment in mind and keep moving forward to fulfill my dream. What are you thinking about going to college for or what are you going there to study?Its_Always_T_Time wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:07 pmFor some inspiration Mason, I bought my first car a few months ago when I was 23, a 1922 Touring Ca!
A "newer" car such as a Steel Era or Improved Era car might make more sense as a first Model T as they have more easily available parts, most came standard with a starter (all did after 1919 I believe), and are significantly less expensive than early Brass Era cars. An early Brass Era car can easily be two-to-three times as much as a Steel Era Black car depending on condition. Model TT trucks are extremely inexpensive, less so even than Steel Era or Improved Era cars due to their larger size, limiting what garages they can be stowed in, and they are extremely slow (17mph flat out without auxiliary transmissions or high speed rear ends). Brass cars are certainly very beautiful, I myself certainly want a "few" one day but I'll wait until after college and I get settled in my career. I don't want to discourage your dreams, if you have your heart set on an early Brass Era car then follow your heart.
Be prepared to get A LOT of attention! Believe me, speaking from experience!
And oh boy, Model Ts have a way of multiplying like Gremlins after getting wet! My boss just bought one himself after seeing me in Lizzie all the time. Going to help him get her running this weekend.
I’m currently in college and studying to be a licensed 3rd mate on an oceangoing ship.
Very cool, was thinking about going to school and getting my license to do something similar...be a captain, ext.Its_Always_T_Time wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:38 amI’m currently in college and studying to be a licensed 3rd mate on an oceangoing ship.
Very cool, was thinking about going to school and getting my license to do something similar...be a captain, ext.Its_Always_T_Time wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:38 amI’m currently in college and studying to be a licensed 3rd mate on an oceangoing ship.
It would take a lot of sea time to become a captain, usually out of an academy you would start out as an AB and then promote into the wheelhouse or start out right away as a Third Mate.Sandow wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:05 pmVery cool, was thinking about going to school and getting my license to do something similar...be a captain, ext.Its_Always_T_Time wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:38 amI’m currently in college and studying to be a licensed 3rd mate on an oceangoing ship.
What types of boats are you trying to work on?Its_Always_T_Time wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:41 pmIt would take a lot of sea time to become a captain, usually out of an academy you would start out as an AB and then promote into the wheelhouse or start out right away as a Third Mate.Sandow wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:05 pmVery cool, was thinking about going to school and getting my license to do something similar...be a captain, ext.Its_Always_T_Time wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 9:38 am
I’m currently in college and studying to be a licensed 3rd mate on an oceangoing ship.
Sandow wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:14 pmWhat types of boats are you trying to work on?Its_Always_T_Time wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:41 pmIt would take a lot of sea time to become a captain, usually out of an academy you would start out as an AB and then promote into the wheelhouse or start out right away as a Third Mate.
There might be a few here for sale. My car was posted here and the same day I saw the post I went to see Lizzie and gave her a good home. Hemmings, Autotrader classics, and even Facebook marketplace have some good listings for Model Ts usually, but there are some listings where the seller is smoking some good stuff and asking 2-4 times a realistic price. Maybe they’re just preying on the uninformed. Sometimes I see cars I saw posted on one site for a realistic asking price getting sold and then posted on another site shortly after in a different area asking 2-3 times the price. Don’t really know how flipping would work for Model Ts, there doesn’t seem to be much of a demand for them. Model Ts don’t really appeal to most young people, and I would imagine most owners of Flivvers are getting older and probably already have the Model Ts they want.
Yea, that’s some of the problems I’m facing...is that some of the Model Ts I see are either flippers trying to make a good profit or sellers trying to put a down payment on a house. Some of the best reasonably priced ones are found locally or by people in the community and it seems most of those unfortunately are snatched up by hotrodders or flippers. Sometimes I see them go to a good home, usually a friend of the family, but when there priced cheap they go pretty fast.Its_Always_T_Time wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 1:14 pmThere might be a few here for sale. My car was posted here and the same day I saw the post I went to see Lizzie and gave her a good home. Hemmings, Autotrader classics, and even Facebook marketplace have some good listings for Model Ts usually, but there are some listings where the seller is smoking some good stuff and asking 2-4 times a realistic price. Maybe they’re just preying on the uninformed. Sometimes I see cars I saw posted on one site for a realistic asking price getting sold and then posted on another site shortly after in a different area asking 2-3 times the price. Don’t really know how flipping would work for Model Ts, there doesn’t seem to be much of a demand for them. Model Ts don’t really appeal to most young people, and I would imagine most owners of Flivvers are getting older and probably already have the Model Ts they want.
Hm, oh....CoolIts_Always_T_Time wrote: ↑Sun Apr 04, 2021 1:05 pmSandow wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:14 pmWhat types of boats are you trying to work on?Its_Always_T_Time wrote: ↑Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:41 pm
It would take a lot of sea time to become a captain, usually out of an academy you would start out as an AB and then promote into the wheelhouse or start out right away as a Third Mate.
Sorry for the late response Mason, probably Cruise Ships or tugboats. Freight ships maybe, I might also try to earn a commission in the Coast Guard or Navy.
Thank you for the advice and advocation...Norman Kling wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:27 amSince this is to be your first car, not knowing where you live, whether urban or rural, I would suggest a 26-27 open car. They have all steel bodies. only wood is floorboards and tack strips, so if the metal is in good condition, you have very little maintenance for the body. The drive train is almost the same for all the Model T's. Some parts are not interchangeable from year to year, but the basics of the suspension, transmission, differential and engine are very similar. These cars cost less and are easier to find and obtain parts than the earlier.
The reason I say this is because you will get the "Model T Experience" when driving the car, and if it is to be a daily driver, would be more practical than the brass car which would require constant polishing.
Then if you really like Model T's, you can later look for a brass one. The earlier cars before the Model were mostly slower and most also had right hand driving, with gas lights. They are good on tours with other earlier cars or in car shows, but not as good for daily drivers.
Your best car for the money would be to find a car which is in good running and good body condition. You can get one which needs work for a lower price, but the amount of work and parts required to get it up and running can cost you more than buying one in good condition.
There are many good cars for sale by older owners who cannot drive anymore or from estates, so you should find something in good condition for sale.
Wood body construction can be a problem with dry rot and termites, so if you plan to get a car with wood body or sheet metal attached to wood, make a good examination. Doors which do not fit or body which moves back and forth easily or termite droppings, which look a bit like salt and pepper around the splash aprons and running boards are a telltale sign of trouble.
If your plan is restoration, rather than driving, then this is not as much a problem as rusty sheet metal and torn fenders etc. Be sure you get all or almost all the parts to make it complete, or you might be looking for many years for just one small part.
Good luck. We need more like you to keep these old cars alive.
Norm
People’s definition of a good price may vary and I’m not rich, nor do I have outstandingly wealthy parents or something. 5k-10k is a lot of money right now and finances have changed slightly since I started looking. I’ve been sent a lot of nice cars of varying conditions and prices that have come and gone, but nothing has been worked out so far. Right now I’m focusing more on the money aspect as any help is definitely appreciated, but at the end of the day money is what matters in our society and a lot of the cheap stuff Is being bought by resellers and a lot of the other stuff is expensive, so when something does eventually come along I want to make sure I have the money to make a reasonable bid. In terms of a black radiator model t I’ve considered it, but would still like to stick to my original dream as long as possible. ThanksKiwiFordGuy wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 12:33 amJust a suggestion, as I know you have been looking for quite some time, and a good selection of cars has come and gone - maybe you need to be a bit more specific so people know what you are really looking for? What’s not working with the other cars that have been offered etc? I’m on the same sort of search but for a different car and I’ve got to say some members of this forum have been outstandingly helpful.
I haven’t studied it in great detail but the Lang blue 09 looks like a pretty good candidate at a pretty good price and I’d of been a very happy young man if that was my first T. I was pretty proud of myself when I finally got a Black era T in my mid-later 20s after many years of hard saving. At the end of the day that’s probably my other pointer..... any half decent model T is going to be more fun than ‘no’ model T.... you can always upgrade later. And in the mean time you learn new skills, make new friends and hone your particular tastes.
Thank youScott_Conger wrote: ↑Thu May 20, 2021 2:36 pmMason
I grew up in a beautiful, large, old home in a terrific upper-middle class neighborhood. My dad was a regular, honest, middle-class guy, working 6 days a week and he and mom ended up in their dream home...the home I grew up in. In retrospect, I'll bet it was a huge deal to buy it and a bigger deal to take care of it...
When I left home, I looked for the same kind of place that I grew up in...nothing less would do. I quickly found that this was out of my price range so ended up in a 600 square foot home in a dicey neighborhood. WHAT A LETDOWN!!!!!!!! It turned out that the $198 a month mortgage was almost more than I could manage each month and that little place was certainly at the limit of what I could take care of at the time.
Years passed and I built a small business, and eventually moved into an industrial job. I busted my butt, bought properties, invested, and at about the same age my dad was, bought a gorgeous old home on the same block that I grew up on. It only took 20 years of toil, sweat, some gains (and some losses along the way) and experience to get there (just like my dad). Funny how that works.
I applaud your conviction, sympathize with your finances, and encourage you to initially buy a humble home as a starter, make sure you can afford it in the long run and learn to take care of it along the way. After that first purchase, work hard, save, invest, gain experience, and when the time, opportunity and dollars all coincide, buy the house of your dreams...oh, and be sure to substitute "Brass T" for "house" in your case.