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Post by SurveyKing » Sun May 23, 2021 4:45 pm

Thought I would let anyone interested in the 30 x 3 1/2 Blockley Tires from Great Britain about my purchase experience. I ordered 4 of them about 3 weeks ago and got them all in today. The cost of the four tires was $864.79, shipping was $210.39 and the import duty was $45.01 for all four. Total $1,120.19 or a bit over $280 per tire delivered. I am pleased with the appearance of them, now to mount and try out. Anyone that might be skeptical about the shipping and import duty should rest easy as DHL makes it rather simple, I did not have to do much to get the duty paid.
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Post by varmint » Sun May 23, 2021 5:03 pm

I'm not personally in the market for tires right now but have some common questions on behalf of others.
Does the actual tire have "rubber", "nylon", or polyester" anywhere on it?
Is there a "Made in xxxx" label on it?
How long did it take to ship from UK to Texas?
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Post by SurveyKing » Sun May 23, 2021 5:55 pm

Vernon, the tires are marked with "4 ply Rayon Max Load 1700 LBS at 65 PSI". Made in Vietnam like all tires seem to be now, but they were shipped from GB.
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Post by Rich Bingham » Sun May 23, 2021 6:29 pm

Daniel, a couple more questions - how did you place your order ? With Blockley in the UK directly ? What's DHL , and what's the connection with them ?

Lastly, are your 30x3-1/2" tyres "oversize" as so many (like T-Drivers) are ?
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Post by Kevin Pharis » Sun May 23, 2021 7:23 pm

Blockley states that they are the “correct size”... but lists them at 795mm diameter (31.3”)

I’ve been considering a set lately...


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Re: Blockley Tires

Post by Allan » Sun May 23, 2021 7:43 pm

I was hoping they would be a little oversized to math the old Olympics which have served me well. Not so. They are much the same as Firestones ans Wards riversides, but with a more vintage looking tread. The skinny tyre users should be pleased.

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Re: Blockley Tires

Post by Alan Long » Sun May 23, 2021 9:19 pm

I believe that they also have the Blockley name on both side walls plus a red dot marking the lightest section of the Tyre
to be matched up with the metal tube valve. I also understand these are made to Blockleys exacting standards with a very high level of Quality assurance then shipped to UK. I have just bought their 109% Butyl Tubes and they are wonderful looking and twice the weight of a “cheapie”
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Post by Alan Long » Sun May 23, 2021 9:47 pm

As a PS on the Tubes... we also looked at the Michelin Tube which was also a quality looking item and heavier than the
Blockley Tube. Our concern was the “one size fits all” and a seperate metal stem to screw into the rubber stem of the Michelin whereas the Blockley was specifically made to suit our 30 x 3 1/2 and metal stem professionally vulcanised onto the Tube
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Re: Blockley Tires

Post by SurveyKing » Sun May 23, 2021 10:09 pm

You can go directly to their website www.blockleytyre.com and select Beaded Edge tyres which is their term for Clincher. Select the size and quantity and they will send you a quote promptly including shipping. The only thing they do not tell you is the amount of the import duty, which for me was minimal $45 for four tires. You can pay with paypal and they will ship promptly and give you a waybill number to track the shipment, DHL is the carrier. I do not know what DHL stands for but it is an international express mail shipper like FedEx is here in the states.
I measured the outside diameter at 31" which is the same as my Firestones, but I cannot find the mentioned "Red Dot" indicating a narrower part of the bead anywhere.

By the way, DHL will notify you of the duty to be paid and you pay with a credit card, it is real easy. Hope this info is helpful.

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Post by Steve Jelf » Sun May 23, 2021 10:35 pm

I have been saying I would try these when it was time for new tyres. It seems that will be sooner than I expected. I noticed today that my rear tires have less tread left than the fronts. I was expecting one more Michigan trip with the Riversides, but now I'm not so sure.
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Post by Colin Mavins » Sun May 23, 2021 11:36 pm

What is the currency the sign is a bound but which country


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Post by DHort » Mon May 24, 2021 2:00 am

The tires went to Texas so US dollars.


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Post by Allan » Mon May 24, 2021 4:47 am

Steve, any idea how many/few mile you have on your Wards Riversides?

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Post by Colin Mavins » Mon May 24, 2021 9:01 am

Ok so what is the cost per tire In US funds the last set I did was T drivers 4 cost 625.00 Canadian that was in 2012 our Dollar was better then.


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Post by Colin Mavins » Mon May 24, 2021 9:09 am

Im getting old I missed the first post so its coming to be about 1600.00 for 4 tires in Canada To rich for my blood, Due to the weather here a set of tires last twenty years if I drive the wheels off the car I only put 500 miles on a year as Im still working so weekend only I just got another 5 T drivers 600.00 from a guy here so Im good till the next owner takes over.

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Post by Steve Jelf » Mon May 24, 2021 10:06 am

Google says the exchange rate today is 1.42, so £149 is $211.58 USD per tyre. More than Wards, but less than Firestone. Outside of Britain we don't pay the VAT.
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Re: Blockley Tires

Post by Original Smith » Mon May 24, 2021 10:21 am

Very ugly tread pattern!

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Post by Steve Jelf » Mon May 24, 2021 10:33 am

Very ugly tread pattern!

If they last twice as long as the other clinchers currently available I'll consider them beautiful. :D
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Post by speedytinc » Mon May 24, 2021 11:26 am

I talked to a friend yesterday on this subject. (He was offered a dealership)
The following is what I was told. Blockley started making roadworthy tires for his period race cars to run safely @ 120mph +. He chose the tread patterns from era photographs, had new, top quality molds made. Nam was the only country that would make them. These tires are made with his rubber compound. Claim to wear 4-5 times longer than the soft "display only tires" So, if you put a lot of miles on your T, they end up way cheaper. Blockley tubes are 40% thicker than "normal" The plan is to produce a top quality product, not huge profits.
Blockley is looking for an american distributer/dealer. There is a great business opportunity here. They are ready to ship a container full here.

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Post by Steve Jelf » Mon May 24, 2021 11:44 am

Claim to wear 4-5 times longer than the soft "display only tires"

That's the first claim I've seen with an actual number estimated. Two times longer would make them a better buy than the other clinchers, so the possibility of four times or more makes them really beautiful. :)
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Post by dykker5502 » Mon May 24, 2021 12:18 pm

Let me chime in. I bought 2 30x3½ Blockley last year for my '14 Touring. So far it all looks good, but I'll report as times and miles go....
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Post by Susanne » Mon May 24, 2021 1:17 pm

I'm wondering if the 30x3.5 tubes will work in my 30x3 tires (or tyres)... If they don't have the thumpa thumpa of the "t drivers" nor the 1 year sidewall cracks that my "non-skids" had , I'll be thrilled. I do wonder how they'll perform on dirt/gravel (as we have a lot of "authentic" roads up here :lol: ) as compared to the non skids (which really do well on "non-pavement" surfaces), but I guess the proof will be in the pudding!

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Post by Steve Jelf » Mon May 24, 2021 10:37 pm

"authentic" roads
I love that.
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SurveyKing wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 4:45 pm
Thought I would let anyone interested in the 30 x 3 1/2 Blockley Tires from Great Britain about my purchase experience. I ordered 4 of them about 3 weeks ago and got them all in today. The cost of the four tires was $864.79, shipping was $210.39 and the import duty was $45.01 for all four. Total $1,120.19 or a bit over $280 per tire delivered. I am pleased with the appearance of them, now to mount and try out. Anyone that might be skeptical about the shipping and import duty should rest easy as DHL makes it rather simple, I did not have to do much to get the duty paid. Blockley Tires.jpg
If not too much to ask: Can you look at the Customs Entry Summary in blocks 10, 28 and 33. The reason is that I suspect that these tires fit the classification of motorcycle tires because of their size and how tire imports descriptions are categorized. So in box 28 a number like 4011.xx.xx. The the Country of Origin, Box 10, VN and the Rate in box 33 to be 4.2%.
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Post by SurveyKing » Tue May 25, 2021 9:26 am

Frank,
I am not sure about this form you posted as it is not the same one DHL forwarded to me to fill out for customs. The country of origin is Great Britain not VN and the rim size is 23", outside tire size is 31". I just put down on the form "Automobile Tires" and nothing else and it sailed right through customs. The shipment came from GB thru Cincinnati where it went thru customs. Call me if you care to: 210-two seven nine 7864

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SurveyKing wrote:
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Frank,
I am not sure about this form you posted as it is not the same one DHL forwarded to me to fill out for customs. The country of origin is Great Britain not VN and the rim size is 23", outside tire size is 31". I just put down on the form "Automobile Tires" and nothing else and it sailed right through customs. The shipment came from GB thru Cincinnati where it went thru customs. Call me if you care to: 210-two seven nine 7864
Ohoooo! The COUNTRY OF ORIGIN is required to be where the product was manufactured (Vietnam), not where its being shipped from. DHL (you too if you signed info as true) is in violation, so consider yourself lucky (doubtful if ever you'll ever get caught) the issue would be false information. The size, 31", also helped. The reason for asking was to verify the correct amount of the tariff/duty. If you described "Motorcycle Tires", and they would fit too (end use isn't considered) the Duty may have been Free regardless of the Country of Origin
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Post by Rich Bingham » Tue May 25, 2021 1:07 pm

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Very ugly tread pattern!
Eye of the beholder and all that, Larry. I believe someone posted previously that this is a vintage pattern, but I don't recall what make tire they said it's like. ??

If it's a vintage "period correct" pattern it would be fun to know the years it was produced.

Back to the "oversize" 30x3-1/2 question, I don't like how close the oversize T-Drivers are to the running board on my '13. Ergo, I'm not wild about replacing them with another oversize tire. Are there any tires offered that aren't oversize ?
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Post by TRDxB2 » Tue May 25, 2021 2:56 pm

Did a little Google searching for period adds and other information about tire patterns on the T era
This reference - click on an image and get info https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=ht ... lvZ6lxYiyM
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Post by Rich Bingham » Tue May 25, 2021 3:19 pm

Thanks, Frank ! So, very similar to Goodyear diamond tread !
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Post by Steve Jelf » Tue May 25, 2021 4:00 pm

Most of the old ads for Goodyear Cord Tires online are hopelessly tiny, but this one from 1922 isn't bad. Not exactly the same tread as Blockley, but pretty close.

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Post by TRDxB2 » Tue May 25, 2021 4:48 pm

I purchased these , liked the pattern and MADE IN U.S.A. by Good Year
https://www.kelseytire.com/antique/military-series/
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Post by Hudson29 » Tue May 25, 2021 5:06 pm

The Goodyear Diamond Tread was always one of my favorites. My 1929 Hudson came from the factory with them so the Blockleys will be a good match for them. I think they will look great on the Ts. The old New Zealand Firestones on the '23 runabout are starting to get a little worn so that time may not be that far off.
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I purchased these , liked the pattern and MADE IN U.S.A. by Good Year
https://www.kelseytire.com/antique/military-series/
Are these available in other T sizes such as 30 x 3 1/2?
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Post by Allan » Tue May 25, 2021 7:32 pm

Paul, I have only seen that pattern on 21" tyres.

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Hudson29 wrote:
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I purchased these , liked the pattern and MADE IN U.S.A. by Good Year
https://www.kelseytire.com/antique/military-series/
Are these available in other T sizes such as 30 x 3 1/2?
This all they have for Military/Vintage Tires.
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Post by Steve Jelf » Tue May 25, 2021 11:20 pm

Are these available in other T sizes such as 30 x 3½?

I believe the only clincher tires available in Model T sizes are the Blockleys and the Wards/Firestone/Excelsior/Universal Vietnam repos from the other dealers. I don't believe any clinchers are currently made in the countries where they were formerly produced (USA, Chile, New Zealand, Australia).
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Post by Erik Johnson » Wed May 26, 2021 12:01 am

Goodyear All-Weather Balloon tires have never been available as 30 x 3 or 30 x 3.5 high pressure clinchers because, as the name implies, they are balloon tires which means they are wide profile, straight side, low pressure tires.


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Post by TXGOAT2 » Wed May 26, 2021 8:44 am

Note that rolling circumference is slightly less than calculated circumference based on nominal circumference. Revs per mile is useful info. Section Width 4.75"
Overall Diameter 30.42"
Rolling Circumference 89.05"


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Post by Rich Bingham » Wed May 26, 2021 10:48 am

TXGOAT2 wrote:
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Note that rolling circumference is slightly less than calculated circumference based on nominal circumference. Revs per mile is useful info. Section Width 4.75"
Overall Diameter 30.42"
Rolling Circumference 89.05"
Huh ??? Which of the three tires now being discussed does that apply to ?
Pretty sophisticated detail, please explain how this applies !
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Re: Blockley Tires

Post by Kevin Pharis » Wed May 26, 2021 11:48 am

Tire diameter is a nominal dimension... where as rolling circumference takes into account the radial compression of the tire under load. Arguably, the rolling circumference is just as arbitrary as the nominal diameter dimension as it is relative to load applied, air pressure, heat, tread wear, and surface speed of the tire...


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Re: Blockley Tires

Post by Kevin Pharis » Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:53 pm

Well I pushed the order button a couple of days ago. 4 30x3-1/2 tires and tubes will be on their way soon. Total after shipping was $1300ish. I am kinda waiting for the the state to want their cut tho... last time I ordered from overseas califunny sent me a sales tax bill...!


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Re: Blockley Tires Update

Post by SurveyKing » Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:46 am

I finally got around to mounting the Blockley tires yesterday. They went on real easy, probably took only about 20 minutes per tire once I got the hang of it. I also used the Blockley metal stem tubes, which was ordered after getting the tires since they were not available through the vendors. There was no import duty charged on the tubes and I got them in about 10 days. The Schrader metal stem dust covers screw right down on the stems. To say the least, I am pleased.
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Re: Blockley Tires

Post by Retro54 » Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:25 am

Kevin Pharis wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:53 pm
Well I pushed the order button a couple of days ago. 4 30x3-1/2 tires and tubes will be on their way soon. Total after shipping was $1300ish. I am kinda waiting for the the state to want their cut tho... last time I ordered from overseas califunny sent me a sales tax bill...!
Kevin, did this include the cost of tubes and flaps, or just the tires?

Those are some good looking tires!

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Re: Blockley Tires

Post by Alan Long » Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:04 am

Blockley Tyre Company have appointed an Agent / Stockist in Melbourne, Australia.
Tyres are $425 and Tubes $100. (Aussie $)
So, for just over 2,000 you have a set of quality shoes on ya T to outlast most of us.
I spoke to the UK on technical issues but buy through Melbourne.
Flaps aren’t necessary in my opinion just quality 100% Butyl Tubes on my 30 x 3 1/2 Wheels
You will have to do the maths but the US $ is stronger against ours so buying from Aus maybe an option ?
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Re: Blockley Tires

Post by SurveyKing » Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:24 am

Hi Allen, I went ahead and used flaps. Again, it was no problem and I was more comfortable knowing that I would not pinch the tube during mounting. cheers


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Re: Blockley Tires

Post by Allan » Mon Jun 14, 2021 8:30 am

Alan is correct about the flaps. They are not necessary. Not that that stops some from buying them. Me, my tyre fitter gave me two used 13" rubes last week. That let me cut two rim liners, and saved me US$80. Can't see the sense in spending that money on something unnecessary. I have enough spares now that I can give some away.

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Re: Blockley Tires

Post by Kevin Pharis » Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:48 pm

So my new tires are in intercontinental political purgatory...😢

Anyone out there have to fill out this form that seems to have no relevant connection with the importation of tires...? If so, how did you declare?
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Re: Blockley Tires

Post by Steve Jelf » Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:05 pm

Kevin, I agree that form seems irrelevant to tyres and tubes. I would take a look at the USDOT website and see if they provide some means of seeking guidance (chat, phone, email).
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Re: Blockley Tires

Post by Kevin Pharis » Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:23 pm

When I have ordered rims from New Zealand in the past... I make a point of mentioning the word “antique” as many times as possible... and the paperwork ends up being minimal. I’ve started negotiating with the DHL rep, but will have to wait till tomorrow to know more...


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Re: Blockley Tires

Post by SurveyKing » Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:21 am

Kevin, other than putting down antique car tires, I just left the form blank and it went through just fine.

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Re: Blockley Tires

Post by TRDxB2 » Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:50 am

Kevin Pharis wrote:
Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:48 pm
So my new tires are in intercontinental political purgatory...😢
Anyone out there have to fill out this form that seems to have no relevant connection with the importation of tires...? If so, how did you declare?
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If your tires are truly being held up, Daniel may have lucked out on his shipment
DHL should have filled out a Form 7501. As I had noted before the "Country of Origin" is where the merchandise was made not where it is being shipped from. On Dan's form I believe it stated UK (or GB) instead of Vietnam. It could be that this discrepancy was caught by US Customs which may affect the Duty you pay. etc and needs to be resolved.
Another possible issues related to the U.S DOT NHTSA form 2127-0002 question #2 or #7. https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/f ... _r.v.7.pdf
So who asked you to fill out the form? Are these Blockley tires DOT approved?

The word "antique"
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CLASSIFICATION OF TIRES UNDER HEADING 4011, HTSUS
We now continue with a discussion of the specific subheadings at issue in heading 4011, HTSUS. Always keep in mind the available information concerning the particular tire based on the factors previously presented in order to determine if its design and features are appropriate to a certain purpose or use. Furthermore, the headings and subheadings of Chapter 40, although they mention particular classes of machines and vehicles, are not intended to be subject to the classification of vehicles, but to the design and designation of the tire itself.
4011.10 New, pneumatic tires, of rubber, of a kind used on motor cars
This subheading includes both radial and non-radial tires which are designed for use on motor cars. “Motor cars” includes certain vehicles classified in heading 8703, HTSUS, such as passenger cars, station wagons, and racing cars. The primary indicator of a tire which fits this subheading for classification would be the prefix “P”. However, all other factors must be considered. A racing car tire will obviously not have a “P” prefix and may in fact have what is commonly known as a “slick” tread. The question sometimes arises as to the classification of tires for antique passenger cars. These tires, which are typically narrow with a considerably large rim diameter, would also be classified in this subheading. There is no special provision and the tires themselves are not antique, but new.
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Re: Blockley Tires

Post by Kevin Pharis » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:06 am

This is all excellent information Frank, but it turns out I don’t have to navigate my way thru customs paperwork any longer. I woke up this morning to an email saying that my shipment has been released and will be delivered as soon as Uncle Sam gets his cut of $78. The shipment was held up by DHL, and they somehow applied my description of “antique auto tires and tire tubes” to the paperwork and it all went away...

In the spirit of full disclosure, this brings the total right up to $1400 so far... but good ‘ol califunny hasn’t held its hand out yet. So I’m expecting another 8% tax bill in the mail soon...🙄

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Re: Blockley Tires

Post by TRDxB2 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:10 am

Kevin Pharis wrote:
Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:06 am
This is all excellent information Frank, but it turns out I don’t have to navigate my way thru customs paperwork any longer. I woke up this morning to an email saying that my shipment has been released and will be delivered as soon as Uncle Sam gets his cut of $78. The shipment was held up by DHL, and they somehow applied my description of “antique auto tires and tire tubes” to the paperwork and it all went away...

In the spirit of full disclosure, this brings the total right up to $1400 so far... but good ‘ol califunny hasn’t held its hand out yet. So I’m expecting another 8% tax bill in the mail soon...🙄
Kevin, I am on the learning curve of Importing. So in the interest of everyone, it would be worthwhile to resolve the difference in the duty you paid $78 and Daniel's $45.01 (4 tires each). Just need to see the report the values that the duty was calculated upon see example below. What this will tell us: Is DHL reporting the correct Country of Origin and how they are describing the tires (HTSUS code). Thanks
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Re: Blockley Tires

Post by Kevin Pharis » Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:53 pm

I dug thru the DHL website and could not find the actual customs documents associated with my order... but was able to find an invoice for the charges that states the country of origin was “GB”, and the description is “inner tubes”. I have to assume that they are transferring this same info onto the proper docs.

But while looking for this info... I see that after paying the duties and releasing the shipment, the shipment is now on hold again! Back into purgatory...🙄

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Re: Blockley Tires

Post by TRDxB2 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:50 pm

Kevin Pharis wrote:
Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:53 pm
I dug thru the DHL website and could not find the actual customs documents associated with my order... but was able to find an invoice for the charges that states the country of origin was “GB”, and the description is “inner tubes”. I have to assume that they are transferring this same info onto the proper docs.

But while looking for this info... I see that after paying the duties and releasing the shipment, the shipment is now on hold again! Back into purgatory...🙄
Hope its DHL or a carrier hold. But the description of inner tubes may cause a deeper inspection by customs and expose the country of origin issue. In any case, its DHL's problem to resolve with Blockley who is responsible to identify the country of origin.
Also did you order flaps? They each have a separate code & applicable duty and it varies significantly based on Country of Origin. I am wondering if the delays are caused by DHL not completing the Import form to march the items. - just a guess. Also might be the reason you can't find the form.
One last check, make sure that the values for the merchandise and shipping are in USD and not converted from GBP or any other currency to USD, if so don't pay anything until that is corrected

Also if Customs gets picky. GB is not a valid country code. UK is the Country Code for "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland". Great Britain is composed of England, Scotland and Wales.
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Re: Blockley Tires

Post by Kevin Pharis » Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:14 am

Had a partial surprise on the porch this evening... a box of tubes👍

Still waiting on the tires...


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Re: Blockley Tires

Post by Kevin Pharis » Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:25 pm

With the tires scheduled for delivery this afternoon... I thought I would break into the tubes and check em out

In comparison with a 4.50/21 tube I have laying around... these are twice as thick! The actual measured double material thickness is .250”. The 21” tube measures .125”

I dare not claim that this extra material is of additional value... but it seem nice so far

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