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Early top fasteners

Post by Dropacent » Sun Jul 25, 2021 3:18 pm

Thanks to keith, I’ve corrected my post. Here are some samples, I’m sure there are others. The very early T and pre-T used similar fasteners to the Murphy, but different. I think appropriate for very early T, and certainly pre-T autos. I don’t have an example of a Murphy brand to show, but are the same and interchangeable with the Common Sense brand. Then, Lift-the-Dot , which is a brand and encompasses other fasteners, also called lift-the-dot, and finally post snaps. These also likely have a name, don’t know what it is, but generally these last two are common in the model A Ford and that era.
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Re: Early top fasteners

Post by KWTownsend » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:06 pm

Those on the left are Burco Fasteners.
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Re: Early top fasteners

Post by Dropacent » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:08 pm

Thanks Keith!

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Re: Early top fasteners

Post by KWTownsend » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:30 pm

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Top left early hour glass Murphy Fastener. Up to '11
Top right oval base Murphy fastener. '12 - ?
Middle left original Murphy Fastener
Middle right reproduction double height Murphy fastener.
Bottom left original Murphy fastener.
Bottom right reproduction Murphy fasteners have screw head on the underside.

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Re: Early top fasteners

Post by TWrenn » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:38 pm

My '11 Torpedo has fasteners similar to the Murphys pictured above, except they say "dot" on them. Not to be confused with "lift-a-dot".

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Re: Early top fasteners

Post by KWTownsend » Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:42 pm

Tim,
Like this?
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Re: Early top fasteners

Post by Dropacent » Sun Jul 25, 2021 5:58 pm

I’ll post some great stuff I stole off the interweb. Keep in mind, different folks have different names for some of this stuff, so be careful. There were regional differences, nicknames, etc, it’s a good resource to identify a lot of neat hardware used on our old cars.


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Re: Early top fasteners

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Re: Early top fasteners

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Re: Early top fasteners

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Re: Early top fasteners

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Re: Early top fasteners

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Re: Early top fasteners

Post by RajoRacer » Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:07 pm

Well, that's "educational" as all hell !!! Thanks Tim !

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Re: Early top fasteners

Post by TWrenn » Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:12 pm

KWTownsend wrote:
Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:42 pm
Tim,
Like this?
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Now that Steve and the other Tim bounced my first response Keith I'll try again! :lol:
The answer to your question is "yup".

And also, I have no idea if they are "original T" or not. Maybe the "other Tim", my good friend i also call Tim I, will have an idea!

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Re: Early top fasteners

Post by Rich Eagle » Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:25 pm

What a nice collection of information. Here are a couple variations on the Murphy as well as one with an anchor symbol on it. I'm sure there were a lot of companies making their own version.
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Re: Early top fasteners

Post by KWTownsend » Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:43 pm

All of these fasteners were on one unrestored original 1911 touring:
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Re: Early top fasteners

Post by KWTownsend » Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:46 pm

These too.
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I'm sure these was a bin of single height, and a bin on double height with all brands mixed in together...
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Re: Early top fasteners

Post by KWTownsend » Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:50 pm

Here is a nifty little set of replacement Anchor fasteners I picked up a while back:
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Re: Early top fasteners

Post by KWTownsend » Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:08 am

Early Anchor fasteners had an A. I'm not sure if the Anchor picture came later.
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At some point Murphy and Bruco joined:
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The Murphy Fastener was patented May 7, 1907:
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The Bourque Fastener was patented Jan 1919:
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If you so a google search you can read all about the 1914 lawsuit between Murphy and the Metal Stamping Company...

: ^ )

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Re: Early top fasteners

Post by KWTownsend » Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:39 am

Oh and the "glove fasteners" are Anzo fasteners. They are the predecessor to what we call today a "snap".
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The stud of the Anzo passes through a hole in the side curtain and the top flap "snaps" onto the stud, sandwiching the side curtain in place.
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Re: Early top fasteners

Post by Upholstery Mike » Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:32 am

Thank you for posting. I've been collecting so many of those fasteners and now I know the REAL names for the ones I didn't already know.


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Re: Early top fasteners

Post by Original Smith » Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:58 am

I believe that fastener with the DOT on it is a newly made variety. I've never seen an old stock common sense fastener with a flat top. I have hundreds of original common sense fasteners to prove it.


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Re: Early top fasteners

Post by Upholstery Mike » Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:33 pm

I believe you're correct Larry. I have at least 5 different original styles I've collected and they don't say dot.

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