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I'm No Stan Howe

Post by Burger in Spokane » Thu Aug 05, 2021 3:22 pm

In the absence of Stan, do we have anyone in the house that
really knows their Stromberg OF carbs ? I have been running
mine now all summer and love it in many ways, but would like
to better understand how to fine tune it. Any help appreciated.

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Re: I'm No Stan Howe

Post by CudaMan » Thu Aug 05, 2021 4:07 pm

Years ago, Stan sent me a booklet that included a reprint of the original period Stromberg literature. The booklet also contained four pages of original material from Stan based on his extensive experience with this carb. Here is a copy of the original Stromberg literature from Jay Klehfoth, along with scans of the four additional pages added by Stan. Hope these help. :)
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Re: I'm No Stan Howe

Post by RajoRacer » Thu Aug 05, 2021 4:46 pm

Appreciate this posting of information as I have 2 OF's on the bench that a friend of mine owns and I was attempting to get them operational - one was done by Stan - not sure of the other but both need attention !

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Re: I'm No Stan Howe

Post by Michael Peternell » Thu Aug 05, 2021 7:14 pm

CudaMan wrote:
Thu Aug 05, 2021 4:07 pm
Years ago, Stan sent me a booklet that included a reprint of the original period Stromberg literature. The booklet also contained four pages of original material from Stan based on his extensive experience with this carb. Here is a copy of the original Stromberg literature from Jay Klehfoth, along with scans of the four additional pages added by Stan. Hope these help. :)
Well played sir! Thanks for posting all in 0ne place to reference!

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Re: I'm No Stan Howe

Post by Henry K. Lee » Thu Aug 05, 2021 8:02 pm

I believe Uncle Stan left his mark on not only on the T but all old cars! In his memory..., it is all of our responsibility to keep his legacy alive by helping each other with knowledge gained by him and others who showed us! Travel On!

Hank

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Re: I'm No Stan Howe

Post by Steve Jelf » Thu Aug 05, 2021 11:34 pm

Here are the four pages rotated and enlarged. You sacrifice a little sharpness when you blow them up, but they're still readable.

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Re: I'm No Stan Howe

Post by Bruce Compton » Fri Aug 06, 2021 10:20 am

Brent: I've only done maybe 50 of these (nowhere near what Stan did) but over the years have acquired some knowledge about the usual weak spots and procedures in setting them up. I'd be glad to help with yours so send me a PM or email (or call at 613-258-0336) if you feel I could be of any assistance. They are amazing carbs and once you try one will probably never go back to any stock Ford offering. BTW, the Stromberg RF and Wheeler-Schebler FAX8 are every bit as good and in some ways better than the OF but never reached the popularity of the OF. The biggest problem now is that since Stan's passing (RIP) there is no one I know of making specialized parts for them.


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Re: I'm No Stan Howe

Post by Burger in Spokane » Fri Aug 06, 2021 10:26 am

Thanks Mark, Steve .....

While the OF made a big difference in "Oomph !" ... it was always
part of the engine build design, combined with the C-race cam, SCAT
crank, and Z-head, at high speed it stumbles. Feels like a miss. But
4 months of chasing around the ignition side has left me fairly certain
that the OF is my culprit, and I'd like to have a strong sense of how the
thing works exactly, to then field fiddle with it, to find its sweet spot.
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Re: I'm No Stan Howe

Post by Scott_Conger » Fri Aug 06, 2021 10:31 am

No one making specialized parts for them?

Do you mean specialized parts like these?:
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new vs old Stromberg OF idle jet picture.png
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Re: I'm No Stan Howe

Post by Scott_Conger » Fri Aug 06, 2021 10:34 am

or these?:
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Re: I'm No Stan Howe

Post by Harry Lillo » Fri Aug 06, 2021 12:10 pm

Scott,
Are these parts available for purchase from you?
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Re: I'm No Stan Howe

Post by SurfCityGene » Fri Aug 06, 2021 1:03 pm

Scott, Thanks for showing some of your fabulous work!! You do amazing stuff with these little parts and I hope you continue to make these available!
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Re: I'm No Stan Howe

Post by RajoRacer » Fri Aug 06, 2021 1:05 pm

And - do you intend to "carry-on" for Uncle Stan ???


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Re: I'm No Stan Howe

Post by ModelT46 » Fri Aug 06, 2021 1:59 pm

I have an original booklet. I will check it to see if it is better than what has been posted.


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Re: I'm No Stan Howe

Post by nigel_hugo » Fri Aug 06, 2021 3:14 pm

The 'stumble' could be caused by the float level being very slightly out of adjustment. I us a Stan Howe rebuilt OF and all the settings given by Stan for slow speed and high speed adjustments when it was first installed only required minor changes to get it running as I wanted. Subsequently on 2 occasions the float level has required very minor adjustments to eliminate a 'stumble'. Try raising the needle 1/8 turn, if no improvement go a further 1/8. It fixed it for me. I had looked at all the other adjustment with no success until I had a light bulb moment and looked at the float level.
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Re: I'm No Stan Howe

Post by ModelT46 » Fri Aug 06, 2021 6:57 pm

I have an original from 1923 thaillustratesthe “HOT Spot for Fords” I will scan it.


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Re: I'm No Stan Howe

Post by Bruce Compton » Fri Aug 06, 2021 9:33 pm

Looking good Scott. I didn't know you were fabricating the OF parts as I've been out of touch lately. Do you do the throttle arm/cam and the economizer arm pieces too?


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Re: I'm No Stan Howe

Post by Scott_Conger » Fri Aug 06, 2021 9:48 pm

Bruce

I don't make those though I'm constantly designing tooling in my head to fold them up efficiently...not there yet, though!
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Re: I'm No Stan Howe

Post by Burger in Spokane » Sat Aug 07, 2021 12:58 am

Now, Scott .... don't be such a tease !
More people are doing it today than ever before !


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Re: I'm No Stan Howe

Post by ModelT46 » Sat Aug 07, 2021 2:57 pm

From an original 1923 booklet.
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Re: I'm No Stan Howe

Post by ModelT46 » Sat Aug 07, 2021 3:00 pm

another page
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Re: I'm No Stan Howe

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Re: I'm No Stan Howe

Post by BHarper » Sun Aug 08, 2021 8:39 am

A few pages from an OF pamphlet which, as I understand it, was supplied with a new carburetor.






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Golly, it is a real inconvenience to be limited to only five images when, in this instance, there are more pages of the pamphlet to be shared. Bill
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Re: I'm No Stan Howe

Post by BHarper » Sun Aug 08, 2021 8:47 am

Here are the next pages:

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Another batch to be posted. "Watch this space." ;)


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Re: I'm No Stan Howe

Post by BHarper » Sun Aug 08, 2021 9:01 am

And here is the last of it.
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Two advertisements from the period:


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