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A '14 touring car followed me home. I have a question concerning the headlights. Were any of these made without the model number ? Was the 666 number removed from these ? Or are these reproduction ? Yes, I know the lenses are incorrect. They had been converted to electric lights. Thankfully, I only need plain lenses and burner forks to return them to gas lights. And while I am asking, is there anything special about the lenses ? Are they just plate glass ? Thank you for your input, Darryl

Darryl: Those look like E&J lights for a 13/14. Me thinks 666 are all brass. 13/15 were a different light, iron and brass like what you have.
Get Bruce’s book and you will many answers to T questions.

Please show the lens, you may have some accy lens. Dan

Dan, I have the book. The lights look like model #666 and or #66, just wondering why there is no number on the light. There is no mention of unmarked lights in the article. They are gas lights that had been converted to electric. Lucky for me is who ever did it, made it possible to return them back to gas lights. Just wondering if anyone can shed some light on what I have here, or if anyone has seen unmarked lights.

I think I read somewhere that the 13/14 E&J lights they just left the 666 off the chimney.

Also body is same as 666 just made out of steel instead of brass.
Dan

There is little info in Bruce's book, Ray Miller's book has a chapter on lights, but the photos are not clear, and no mention of lights not having model number.

The E&J lights for 13&14most had the number 66, or656 and som had no number. I have examples of all three

Dale, that is helpful information. I just saw a pair on E-Bay with no model number. My fear is that they were reproduction, or had been messed with. I will carry on. Darryl

My '13 has E & J with no number. And from
what I've heard, there were no reproduction headlamps made past 1912. Maybe someone else knows better.

Re repros not being made past 1912, I failed to mention I meant in the brass era. Pretty sure the black lamps have repros.

My 1914 touring E&J headlamps also have no number and the car is all original. Research shows that is not unusual.

My understanding is the all brass lamps were numbered with model 666. When the black and brass lamps were introduced, one of the sixes was deleted and the model number 66 was off centre, due to the third six being deleted.
That doesn't helps with no model number lights, but I do not believe yours are reproductions. The repops I have seen have the details on the brass chimney engraved/etched into the metal. Genuine articles are stamped with a die, and this results in narrower lines and depressions around the details, as your lamps show.

Allan from down under.

Thanks to everyone that replied. I am calling them good. Everything else on this car seems to be original & correct except for the carburetor. I would have found it hard to believe that the lights were not originals. Darryl