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FJ - What Lies In A Model T Owners Garage ? <> You Won't Believe This Discovery !

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 5:40 am
by FreighTer Jim
My friend Joe told me he bought a car from some Model T folks in Cave Creek, AZ.

I offered to haul it the next time I was in the area.

As it turns out - if I am telling the story correctly ...

Many years ago - a doctor had an early brass car around Cave Creek, AZ.

He was out for a ride one day - spooked a lady on a horse who fell and broke her arm.

The doctor fixed it - then put the car in storage.

Some years late - Doris & Jim ( active Model T owners and tour participants ) - bought the car.

They also live in the Cave Creek area.

They drove the car on local tours.


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If you know the Desert Heat of the area - you can imagine what happens to a vehicle
left exposed to the sun even for one Summer.

This 1911 Maxwell Touring Car is - in my humble opinion - completely original .

The tires - seat cushions - rear carriage light - cooling hoses - spark plugs have been replaced.

It has an original tool box with original tools.

The original side curtains were in the tool box.


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FJ

Re: FJ - What Lies In A Model T Owners Garage ? <> You Won't Believe This Discovery !

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:19 am
by RustyFords
Sooo very cool

Re: FJ - What Lies In A Model T Owners Garage ? <> You Won't Believe This Discovery !

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:30 am
by John Warren
WOW As an 11AB owner Sweet. Thanks Jim.

Re: FJ - What Lies In A Model T Owners Garage ? <> You Won't Believe This Discovery !

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 8:54 am
by FreighTer Jim
Thanks Guys

John - I ran across your thread from a couple years ago ....

http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/70 ... 1489833319


FJ

Re: FJ - What Lies In A Model T Owners Garage ? <> You Won't Believe This Discovery !

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:32 am
by Burger in Spokane
Whatever polish they are using on the brass, it is working PERFECTLY !

Love an old car that looks old ! 👍

Re: FJ - What Lies In A Model T Owners Garage ? <> You Won't Believe This Discovery !

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:45 am
by James_Lyons-WV
That is an incredible car!

Re: FJ - What Lies In A Model T Owners Garage ? <> You Won't Believe This Discovery !

Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 7:46 pm
by Rich Eagle
It's always nice to see a Maxwell!
Thanks
Rich

Preservation Award Candidate

Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:05 am
by FreighTer Jim
You can see the replacement light below the original tool box.

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Open the toolbox.

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The Little Details

Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:15 am
by FreighTer Jim
There is research to do.

The Dots need to be Connected.

Not sure how Maxwell is regarded in Concours Circles ....

The Little Details on this Survivor are just remarkable.

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Advice Is Welcome

Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:53 am
by FreighTer Jim
Doris & Jim took this to a National Maxwell Meet years ago.

It was regarded as the most original unrestored example present at the Event.


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Re: FJ - What Lies In A Model T Owners Garage ? <> You Won't Believe This Discovery !

Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:36 am
by RustyFords
That is extraordinary....so mnay details for the eye to dwell on.

I could sit in a shop with an adult beverage and stare at the details on a car like this for hours.

Re: FJ - What Lies In A Model T Owners Garage ? <> You Won't Believe This Discovery !

Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:41 am
by James_Lyons-WV
FJ.. Is that car blue, or black? Did it have any cream pin-striping on the body or chassis? Are the wheels natural in finish? Post more pics if you have them. Of an interesting note, that car is only about 80 units off from mine.

Original wheels

Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 11:05 am
by FreighTer Jim
Looks like original wood wheels ( painted red )
Black original paint
No pinstripes

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Re: FJ - What Lies In A Model T Owners Garage ? <> You Won't Believe This Discovery !

Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 12:42 pm
by Rich Eagle
Fantastic photos.
Rich

Re: FJ - What Lies In A Model T Owners Garage ? <> You Won't Believe This Discovery !

Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:30 am
by John Warren
Jim, Thank you for the detailed photos. Hope to see you in Bakersfield

Re: FJ - What Lies In A Model T Owners Garage ? <> You Won't Believe This Discovery !

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:47 am
by FreighTer Jim
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Re: FJ - What Lies In A Model T Owners Garage ? <> You Won't Believe This Discovery !

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:41 pm
by Angmar
Great photos Jim, wonder what the value of something like that is.

Historical Value

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:52 pm
by FreighTer Jim
The only thing that really interests me is historical value.

Monetary value should reflect true historical value - but that is not always the case.

I have always found vehicles like this far more fascinating than restored examples.

If you allow it - a car like this will tell you quite a story ..... ;)


FJ

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Re: FJ - What Lies In A Model T Owners Garage ? <> You Won't Believe This Discovery !

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 5:07 am
by Kaiser
Absolutely stunning, what a beauty !

Original side curtains

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 7:13 am
by FreighTer Jim
The original side curtains for the original top were found
neatly folded in the bottom of the original tool box.

They look brand new .... :shock:

FJ


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Re: Historical Value

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:38 pm
by Angmar
FreighTer Jim wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:52 pm
The only thing that really interests me is historical value.

Monetary value should reflect true historical value - but that is not always the case.

I have always found vehicles like this far more fascinating than restored examples.

If you allow it - a car like this will tell you quite a story ..... ;)


FJ


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Thank you Jim, wish that were in my garage.

Re: FJ - What Lies In A Model T Owners Garage ? <> You Won't Believe This Discovery !

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:51 pm
by Rich Eagle
Your beautiful pictures are reminding of this 1906 Maxwell. I'm sorry my 40 year old photos aren't near as good.
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It was offered for sale for $6,000 about 1979. I could not buy it but sure thought about what a great car it was. I watched it be restored and change hands several times. A friend observed that everyone who owned it had died. Then he was killed in an accident. The widow who owns it now claims it is very rare and certainly worth a million dollars.
Still can't afford it.
Rich

Re: FJ - What Lies In A Model T Owners Garage ? <> You Won't Believe This Discovery !

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:05 pm
by FreighTer Jim
I think some cars should not be “ restored “.

If a car “ lives “ to be 108 years old ( like this one ) ....

It should be - recognized - respected - rewarded.


FJ

Re: FJ - What Lies In A Model T Owners Garage ? <> You Won't Believe This Discovery !

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:29 pm
by Barth_Tool_Co
Rich Eagle wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:51 pm
Your beautiful pictures are reminding of this 1906 Maxwell. I'm sorry my 40 year old photos aren't near as good.
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It was offered for sale for $6,000 about 1979. I could not buy it but sure thought about what a great car it was. I watched it be restored and change hands several times. A friend observed that everyone who owned it had died. Then he was killed in an accident. The widow who owns it now claims it is very rare and certainly worth a million dollars.
Still can't afford it.
Rich
There's one in an antique shop the next town over from me... looks to be about the same vintage as your pics of the green one by the radiator silhouette. It was for sale on ebay a while back but it got no bids. Neat cars!

Re: FJ - What Lies In A Model T Owners Garage ? <> You Won't Believe This Discovery !

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 7:42 am
by Hal
That's really cool. Like Burger, I really like a car in that condition.

Re: FJ - What Lies In A Model T Owners Garage ? <> You Won't Believe This Discovery !

Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:44 pm
by Duey_C
"I think some cars should not be “ restored “.
If a car “ lives “ to be 108 years old ( like this one ) ....
It should be - recognized - respected - rewarded."

And revered.

Yet it will happen again. We've all seen pictures of cars or whatever it was that were very, very nice but the new owner felt it should be restored.
30 years ago, I did that to a very nice but rusty 91 year old tractor now and I wish I hadn't. Ya cannot replace original fender decals.
Even 20 years ago, the notion was out about an old gas engine "Put that paint brush down and show it in its working clothes." and still exists even stronger now out in some of the old tractor world to actually highlight fixes, cobble jobs and updates to keep them running.
I happened upon a special, very small part of history that cannot be painted until the chassis is brought back to correct.
Don't know IF I want to do that.
I missed out on an unrestored Ford model N (basket case) a couple of years ago... Lesson learned. Prob'ly not be to again. The elusive unrestored N but I live and learn. :)

Fantastic story and pics FJ! Thank you! Beautiful Maxwell.

Re: FJ - What Lies In A Model T Owners Garage ? <> You Won't Believe This Discovery !

Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:29 pm
by Rich Eagle
I whole heatedly agree. The beauty of original paint, aged brass and even a little dust and dirt is truly a treasure. Keeping them that way is always a challenge. Making them mechanically sound is hard to do without disturbing some of that. Putting them in a hermetically sealed bag could be the answer but then how well could we see them. I saw a fantastic 2-cyl REO in a private museum last month that had nearly perfect original paint and upholstery. They keep it dusted but will not touch it in any way. Pictures were not allowed but being able to stand there and look at it was unbelievable. Spending an hour with it was something I will always treasure.
There are some great photos of cars like that around and I hope folks will keep taking pictures of them and sharing them like like FJ and others do.
Thanks again.
Rich