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Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Post by RustyFords » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:09 pm

Steady as she goes...removed, cleaned, re-gasketed and reinstalled the timing gear cover then installed a very nice original lower pulley that George House sent me and installed an upper coolant hose neck.
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Post by RustyFords » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:11 pm

No matter how small the job, I always seem compelled to get out nearly every tool I own.
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Post by Dallas Landers » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:02 pm

Thats the trueth!
I spent the entire weekend working in the shop. Work on project one day and clean up and put tools away the second day.

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Post by RustyFords » Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:10 am

Yesterday’s weather was stunning. Low humidity, temps in the 70’s, clear skies. Perfection.

My son and his buddy are about to take his 4Runner on a cross-country trip so we spent the day installing plugs, coil-packs, brake pads, hoses, coolant, wipers, serpentine belt, etc.

That ate the whole day. So, alas...no Model T time.

My son is joining the Coast Guard soon and will be leaving the nest, so I consider it time well spent, especially since we had such a good time together working on the Toyota.
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Post by RustyFords » Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:29 pm

The old girl is coming along.

I think a realistic goal is to have it running and driving this summer.

I could probably hastily assemble what I have right now and get it running in a couple weeks, but I'm going to resist that urge and continue to be methodical about things and do it right.

Observant viewers will notice that the driveshaft isn't hooked up. I have it hanging by some bailing wire to make pushing it around a bit easier. And also because I'll be swapping engines soon anyway.
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Post by RustyFords » Sat May 04, 2019 6:58 pm

Big step forward today.

I replaced all the magnet screws with new ones then did a trial fit of the transmission to see what my magneto gaps were. Much to my amazement, it varied between .025 on one side and .030 on the other. I called that good enough and safety wired the transmission/crankshaft bolts.

Last project for the day was installing a new clutch spring. I was debating on whether to do it, but I'm glad I did go ahead....especially after placing the new and old springs side by side. The old one was pretty tired.
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Post by Duey_C » Sun May 05, 2019 8:59 pm

Exactly what Scott said!
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Post by RustyFords » Sun May 05, 2019 11:19 pm

Thanks guys!

I kept the ball rolling today by cleaning up the oil pan and inspection cover and degreasing all the hardware for the oil pan and hogshead. I also have a new bushing for the crank handle. I wanted to get that installed today but the old bushing is really being stubborn about coming out. I think I'm going to have to collapse it in place and pull out the remains.

And...I'll say it again...I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE for the hideous paint or the copious slathering of the blue RTV on the inspection cover. This temp engine came that way in the parts chassis from the previous owner. Sometimes I think you should have to get counseling before you're allowed to buy RTV. ;)
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I stopped by an antique mall today and found this Ford scripted wrench assortment for $5 for the set. They're pretty common, but I thought that was a decent price.
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Post by Wayne Sheldon » Mon May 06, 2019 4:43 am

" Sometimes I think you should have to get counseling before you're allowed to buy RTV. ;) "

That goes right along with one of my many sayings of many years; "Some people should be banned by law from ever touching a screw driver or any other common hand tool!"

Some people simply CANNOT handle simple tools or mechanical anythings.

Truly tragic. But could have been funny if it weren't so sad. When I was in the sixth grade, a girl in my class, and neighbor just over a block from where I grew up, her dad was killed changing a light bulb in the living room. He was well known in the neighborhood for being totally unable to handle anything mechanical.

Enough said about that. Back to better things! Like working on model Ts for the mechanically inclined!

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Post by RustyFords » Mon May 06, 2019 6:40 am

wayne sheldon wrote:
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He was well known in the neighborhood for being totally unable to handle anything mechanical.
My dad has a friend who is like that. My dad has always said he could break an anvil with a rubber hammer.

When I was a kid, we pulled into his driveway one Saturday afternoon and he had his F100 rear end jacked up high, under the center section. He was laying under the truck with no jackstands, furiously yanking on one of the leaf spring shackles with a crowbar, trying to pop it loose. The whole truck was swaying dramatically as he did this.

My dad saw this as soon as we entered the driveway and ran screaming up to him yelling "STOP, STOP, STOP!!!!!" Fortunately he did.

This same guy, in an effort to fix a plumbing problem, knocked a hole in his garage drywall that was roughly the size and shape of a grizzly bear. The hole stayed that way for years...it always sort of intruiged me.

On another occasion, the three of us were headed to the Laguna Madre early one morning to go fishing in my dad's new boat. We saw a huge rattlesnake crossing the road in front of us and my dad's friend wanted to stop so he could kill it for the skin and rattle. We stopped and he ran back to the brand new boat and retrieved one of the brand new hardwood paddles to use to smack the snake on the head. On his first swing, he missed the snake by a mile and hit the road instead. The paddle broke in two and the snake slithered off, unharmed, into the brush. Without saying a word, he got back into the truck as my dad silently stared at him for a minute, just like a scene from a Laurel and Hardy movie. Then my dad, put the truck in gear and we pulled back onto the road and continued our trip. Neither one of them said a word about it.

This man was, and is, the nicest and best sort of human being though....always has a smile on his face and a song in his heart, so my dad has always looked past his mechanical shortcomings.
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RustyFords wrote:
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And...I'll say it again...I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE for the hideous paint or the copious slathering of the blue RTV on the inspection cover. This temp engine came that way in the parts chassis from the previous owner.
Same guy must have been through my T engine also... they loved the blue stuff. If a little is good more must be better!

Great progress, keep up the good work!
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Post by RustyFords » Mon May 06, 2019 2:31 pm

Barth_Tool_Co wrote:
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Great progress, keep up the good work!
Thanks Jason.

I always enjoy your updates as well.
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Post by Dallas Landers » Mon May 06, 2019 4:32 pm

Don, you have been busy! Keep that up and you will be riding in style.

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Post by RustyFords » Mon May 06, 2019 6:13 pm

Dallas Landers wrote:
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Don, you have been busy! Keep that up and you will be riding in style.
I can almost hear and smell that engine sputtering to life, then burning off paint, etc.

Once I do get it running, any driving will have to be limited to very low speed runs around the neighborhood. The front axle and steering linkage will need a lot of attention before I attempt anything over just a few mph. I am, however, going to try to divide my repair jobs into tasks that I can complete over a weekend, so the old girl is only down for a couple days at a time. First on that list will be new spring perches and bushings and a look at the front springs (maybe a quick cleanup and a coating of slip paint).
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Post by Dallas Landers » Mon May 06, 2019 10:58 pm

Good plan. Im without a ride now. Roadster will get new valves but now Im full steam on the MP TT. Upcoming neck surgery may slow me down for a few weeks.

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Post by RustyFords » Mon May 06, 2019 11:36 pm

Dallas Landers wrote:
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Good plan. Im without a ride now. Roadster will get new valves but now Im full steam on the MP TT. Upcoming neck surgery may slow me down for a few weeks.
Neck surgery...that's no fun. Best wishes for a speedy recovery.

Did the roadster lose compression?
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Dallas Landers wrote:
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Good plan. Im without a ride now. Roadster will get new valves but now Im full steam on the MP TT. Upcoming neck surgery may slow me down for a few weeks.
Neck surgery...that's no fun. Best wishes for a speedy recovery.

Did the roadster lose compression...or worse, throw a two-piece valve?
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Post by Dallas Landers » Tue May 07, 2019 6:16 am

Yup #3 was zero. Exaust valve was bent. All 2 piece valves except that one. Found 2 more bad valves so it gets new tappets and a valve job when time permits.
Keep up the good work Don.

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Post by RustyFords » Thu May 23, 2019 10:54 am

Removed all the "breathing apparatus" from the other engine to clean it up for the install on the temp engine.

I put a straight edge on the Ford script exhaust manifold and, much to my surprise, it was straight as an arrow.
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Post by Dallas Landers » Thu May 23, 2019 4:15 pm

Straight? Thats a good day in my book Don.

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Post by RustyFords » Fri May 24, 2019 7:48 pm

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Straight? Thats a good day in my book Don.
That's what I thought too. I understand that it's hard to find a straight OEM one. I was prepared to shell out the $$ for a new one.
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Post by RustyFords » Mon May 27, 2019 3:18 pm

I found out on Friday about some big, time-consuming projects starting at work that will cut in to my old car time. So...I loaded the temp engine up this morning and took it to Ross Lilleker.

He’s going to inspect and double check all of my work and do the final assembly and get it running for me.

Once I have it back, I’ll install it pronto.
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Post by Dallas Landers » Mon May 27, 2019 3:37 pm

Im looking forward to it Don.

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Post by Duey_C » Tue May 28, 2019 2:11 am

I am SOOO behind on your thread and I skipped ahead.
Hehehe, how many cans of RTV did you buy when doing your engine up? Good grief.
I'M KIDDING of course. :)
"........any driving will have to be limited to very low speed runs around the neighborhood. The front axle and steering linkage will need a lot of attention before I attempt anything over just a few mph. I am, however, going to try to...."
Do please remember, they got this way thru their normal use, normal driving and aging. ;) Like us.
Sshhh. Don't tell anyone this: Pssst, Don, Don, pssst, when you're alone, if the steering is still hanging together and you feel it, do it. Do it.
Go for 25 or dare 30 miles an hour with that T. Hold that steering tight.
I am NOT making fun. I am being serious here. Me and my 24 Runabout beat each other up and we go fast. For what he is.
Just my Ol' buddy and me. I mind that wheel seriously. If he has a problem, I may suffer. I find doing that out of this world.
Yet, the stout little bugger carries on. Sure as ever. Nearly unstoppable. Except for brakes. His 16" tires lock up IF I pull.
Back on Earth. I itch for your first maiden voyages with your Touring Don and await your reports.
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Duey_C wrote:
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Do please remember, they got this way thru their normal use, normal driving and aging. ;) Like us.
Sshhh. Don't tell anyone this: Pssst, Don, Don, pssst, when you're alone, if the steering is still hanging together and you feel it, do it. Do it.
Go for 25 or dare 30 miles an hour with that T. Hold that steering tight.
I am NOT making fun. I am being serious here. Me and my 24 Runabout beat each other up and we go fast. For what he is.
Just my Ol' buddy and me. I mind that wheel seriously. If he has a problem, I may suffer. I find doing that out of this world.
Yet, the stout little bugger carries on. Sure as ever. Nearly unstoppable. Except for brakes. His 16" tires lock up IF I pull.
Back on Earth. I itch for your first maiden voyages with your Touring Don and await your reports.
:)
Your perspective is always excellent and often sounds a lot like my dad's. I'm always the one tending to me a bit more delicate with machinery while he always tends to jump right in and put it through its paces.
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Getting ready for the engine swap
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Post by RustyFords » Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:44 pm

My car was missing its battery box so I decided to make one that fit the “use what was available on the Great Depression era farm” theme.

I figured pre-war license plates would fit the bill. It has a cut down piece of 2x12 wood for a base.

It’s a work in progress, but I think it’ll turn out pretty neat.
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Post by Dallas Landers » Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:04 pm

Nice period screws Don. Its all the details, right? I like the theme.

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Dallas Landers wrote:
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Nice period screws Don. Its all the details, right? I like the theme.
I figured you’d catch that Dallas. 😊

My goodness I’m having fun with this gigantic art project that also happens to be a car. I may not be able to contain my excitement once it’s actually mobile.
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Post by HaroldRJr » Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:00 pm

Don - My first post on this thread, but it has been fun, following along and watching how you have been able to gradually re-build the car so that it will still have "the look" of a black era "survivor"! Not to say that I don't admire the shiny brass cars with the bright shiny colors, but frankly, if you were to take a 'survey" of some of the "ol timers" that still remember grandpa's Model T, your car will have "the look" of what those old guys remember! I like it! Makes me wonder what ever happened to Ray Elkins and his "survivor" TT truck! He was a "master" at preserving and retaining the "patina" of that old TT truck of his! (...to get it ready for a car show, he'd rub it down with kerosene! Ha,ha....)

In that same vain, just a suggestion,....assuming you will eventually be installing a top. I had a '23 touring that I have since sold, but I always thought that it had the right "survivor" patina. I sold it with the used and weathered top that I had found for it, however, I never did install it before selling the car (with the old top). But I thought I'd make this suggestion to you as I think it warrants consideration! I found that it is very, VERY difficult to find a serviceable used top, which is what I would think you'd want for your touring. A new top would stand out like a sore thumb, and while it might seem like finding an old worn & weathered top would be easy,....IT'S NOT! The reason I found out, is that almost invariably, when someone decides to replace their old worn and weathered top with a new one, the lnvariably DESTROY the old one in getting it off! This is because their "focus" is in just getting the old one out of the way as quickly and easily as possible so as to get started on the installation of the NEW top. So what usually happens is that they literally cut the top to pieces getting it off and out of the way. And if the top job is being done professionally, for sure, the old one will be cut off, ripped off, etc, etc.

So,....my suggestion is, you might give thought in advance to "putting out the word" so to speak, that you are looking for an old, worn & weathered top that still might have some life left in it, so that someone planning to install a new top could perhaps see the possibility of making a few bucks by selling the old one, and for that reason, maybe they would use a bit of care in taking the old top off for resale. I really think that that is probably the only way you'll be able to obtain a top for your "survivor" touring that will really have the right "look". Anyway,...just my thoughts in trying to help you finish the ol' girl off with just the right look! FWIW,....harold


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Post by Allan » Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:12 am

Harold brings up a good point about finding a usable old top. Henrietta's top was made from one I salvaged from another restoration. Because it was from a tourer, there was plenty of material to make it fit the roadster top on Henrietta. However, the replacement is black, covered with a layer of something which is rapidly departing, exposing the fabric underneath. I need some kind of top dressing, but that is not readily available these days.

Her original top was just beige canvas. When she was converted to the buckboard, that canvas top was cut down to fit, and the whole lot dyed black!
At a farm clearing sale I was fortunate to be given an old tarpaulin made with the same canvas, so I have plenty of material to fabricate an even more original replacement. Many of our colonial delivered cars had canvas tops from new, and there is still a really good replacement in new material for a restoration.

Perhaps a canvas top made from a used tarpaulin could derve Don as well.

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Post by RustyFords » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:05 am

Great minds think alike Harold and Allan ;)

One of the first things I did after I bought the car was post on the old forum about needing a top. And, just as you suggested, I asked that if anyone was going to replace a top soon, that they be careful removing the old one because I'd be interested in it. A club member did exactly that and I have it here...stored inside the house. I laid it out on the ground when it arrived and it looks good.

So, I'll either use it as is, or if it doesn't look like it'll hold up to being re-used and reattached, I'll use it to make some patterns...maybe out of canvas as Allan suggests. And, that is an excellent suggestion Allan. The hardware stores here sell a heavy brown tarp that looks like it might work.

If I can salvage the top I have, it has a couple small rips in it (less than two inches) and I've been wondering about how a quality/sturdy repair might've been made back in the days when buying a new top was out of the question.
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Post by Dallas Landers » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:54 am

That is part of the reasonI went with the tan cloth top on my RPU. I didnt want a shiney black top on my rusty farm truck. Since it was available for 26 it still I went with it and like the look. Im sure a fix can be made on your used top and cant wait to see what you come up with.

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That is part of the reasonI went with the tan cloth top on my RPU. I didnt want a shiney black top on my rusty farm truck. Since it was available for 26 it still I went with it and like the look.
I agree Dallas. The tan/canvas/tarp tops look great on cars with a weathered look.
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Post by Allan » Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:46 pm

Don, I had to make two repairs to Henrietta's new top before I installed it. I used some old black tonneau cover material. I made two small squares, with edges folded under, contact cemented them over the holes and had the local trimmer sew around the edges of the patches. It is an obvious repair, but that is part o the story. Doing it before the material is attached makes it easy.

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Post by RustyFords » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:12 pm

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Don, I had to make two repairs to Henrietta's new top before I installed it. I used some old black tonneau cover material. I made two small squares, with edges folded under, contact cemented them over the holes and had the local trimmer sew around the edges of the patches. It is an obvious repair, but that is part o the story. Doing it before the material is attached makes it easy.

Allan from down under.
I'd like to see a photo of that repair when you get a chance.
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Post by dhosh » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:12 pm

From Dallas...
"That is part of the reasonI went with the tan cloth top on my RPU. I didnt want a shiney black top on my rusty farm truck. Since it was available for 26 it still I went with it and like the look"

... And from Allan, Down Under, I believe...

Long time no hear, Dallas! I'm not on much, but drive'n the heck out if the T!

I am looking to replace my top as well. I gave what appear to be proper roadster iro s now, and will need to steam bend the wood for the corners, and make the bows.

My question is in the canvas. I'm not interested in putting on a new 'proper' top, as it just wouldn't look right. Tan or brown canvas on the ither hand... :-)

The local Tractor Supply has brown and tan colored waterproofed canvas. I wounded about the 'stickiness' of the waterproofing. Seems like it would much up the sewing.., and be too sticky fir the needle t go through properly.... If at all. Did you use 'plain' canvas duck cloth, it waterproofed?
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Post by Dallas Landers » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:26 pm

Don, I ordered a new top from Classtique. I bet if you call them you could buy the material.


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Post by Dallas Landers » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:27 pm

Did I understand right? Your driving the T? Photos ?


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Sorry.... Didn't mean to hijack the post!
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Sorry.... Didn't mean to hijack the post!
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Did I understand right? Your driving the T? Photos ?
Not yet.

Ross called me today to tell me my engine is ready to be picked up. I’ll take the 66 F100 over to retrieve it on Saturday,
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Post by RustyFords » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:39 pm

Big step forward today.

I pulled the engine that came with the car and installed the "freshened up" engine. Not having done this before with a Model T, there was a learning curve. So, what probably should've taken a couple hours, took me about 4 hours instead.

Based on what I've read on this forum, I thought I might have to remove the steering column, but managed to pull the engine without doing so by sort of twisting the engine as it came out. For the installation, I applied a thin layer of grease on top of the frame rails between the firewall and engine mounting holes. Then I pulled the engine rearward with a ratchet strap until it fell into position.
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Post by Dallas Landers » Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:56 am

A heart transplant. It will live! I cant wait to hear " ITS ALIVE"

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Post by Barth_Tool_Co » Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:39 am

Cool! So close to running!!!
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Post by RustyFords » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:39 pm

UPDATE:

My T patiently sits in the garage....waiting for me....reminding me that everything needed to make it roadworthy is either installed or sitting on shelves mere feet away.

Maybe this weekend I'll free up some T time. :|
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Post by Duey_C » Wed Jul 03, 2019 10:46 pm

Oh good grief you're very close! Yessss! :)
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Post by RustyFords » Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:38 pm

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Oh good grief you're very close! Yessss! :)
Yes. Very close.

With the very limited time I had today, I worked steadily and installed the starter, timer, throttle and timer rods, fan, fan belt, crank handle, horn, generator cutout, and a few other things.
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Post by Duey_C » Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:26 pm

Oh crap, you were busy!
OR
Eehehehehe! Even closer Don!
It's cool when a person is excited for another fella's T to hit the streets.
Hahaha! You know how to drive the dang thing right? :lol:
I'm kind of kidding. I think you drove another in the past... I just can't wait and am very excited for you obviously.
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Post by Dallas Landers » Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:31 pm

What Duane said!!! I want to see it on the road.

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Post by RustyFords » Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:08 pm

Thanks guys. Being this close is making me pretty antsy.

And yes, there will be a learning curve for me as far as driving the silly thing is concerned. I drove one while I was in the military 30 years ago (a TT) and I drove a forum member’s 26 runabout a couple years ago but that’s it.

I’m that odd person who has hundreds of hours in rebuilding a T but only a couple hours driving one.
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Post by Duey_C » Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:14 pm

:lol:
Look out Houston! :lol:
By the seat of Don's pants: He will learn this T.
The very best for your first journey Don. It will be a joy. AND a different experience. :lol:
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Post by RustyFords » Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:54 pm

My parts chassis had an aftermarket engine support (aka...belly band) that I decided to scavenge and use on my car. It also had a set of factory brake rods where my car had a homemade set.

So, this evening I pulled them off the chassis.

If anyone in the local area wants this 1925 frame, you’re welcome to come get it for free. I’ve pretty much picked it clean.
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Post by RustyFords » Sat Jul 06, 2019 9:15 pm

Taking full advantage of the time I had today, I installed the exaust pipe and pumped nearly a full tube of grease into the u-joint grease fitting.

Then, I installed the coils and a fresh battery and rigged up an "I.V." gas line and jacked up one rear wheel. Then, for curiousity's sake only, I choked it a few times while turning it over with the starter...then turned on the ignition and hit the starter again.

And wouldn't you know, the old bucket sputtered and coughed right away. This was without any attempt at setting the initial timing or even setting the carb mixture adjustment.

I had to call it a day after that, but I'll be back at it again tomorrow.

I'm going to treat the fuel tank with acid first thing in the morning, then by late afternoon, it should be ready to install and accept gasoline. I also need to install the hand brake and all that goes with that system (which is why I tried to start it today with one wheel jacked up). So...in spite of the fact that I had a sign of life, I still need to do a few more things before I have a runner. When I do, however, I'll film it and post it here.
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IT’S ALIVE!!!!

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Yesterday it tried to start but I had to call it a day. Today, I adjusted the timer and the mixture screw and it instantly fired right up as you can see in the video.
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Post by Dallas Landers » Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:37 pm

Ooohhhh yaaa! It lives! I think I had the same laugh when I 1st started mine.

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Ooohhhh yaaa! It lives! I think I had the same laugh when I 1st started mine.
😊

I hadn’t even noticed the maniacal laughter until I watched video. I thought about editing it out, but I think I’ll leave it in.
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Post by Dallas Landers » Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:46 pm

Don, you gotto leave it. That makes the video. I bet most of us have had that moment and wont forget it.

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Post by RustyFords » Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:02 pm

I’m thrilled with it.

It evens runs on mag. You can hear me switch it towards the end of the video.
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Post by RustyFords » Sun Jul 07, 2019 7:37 pm

Alas...all is not peaches and cream.

The gas tank that came on my parts chassis...the tank that I thought was excellent...is not. I tested it with water and it leaked like a sieve. An inspection with a flashlight also revealed lots of rust inside.

I’ll be ordering a new tank from Lang’s tomorrow. It’s an expense I hadn’t counted on, but it will be nice to have a completely fresh/new fuel system from tank to manifold.

On the bright side, the tank did come with a nice Ford script cap.

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Post by Dallas Landers » Sun Jul 07, 2019 7:45 pm

You will not be sorry. My 1st T was the 26RPU. Had a fresh painted tank that looked perfect until I drove it about a month and gas started dripping on my foot. When I got done peeling bondo off the tank I could reach my hand in the bottom and out the top. Forum members saved my bacon and had a tank as they are not reproduced. A good tank is like a good radiator, good investment in fun.

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Post by RustyFords » Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:58 pm

I had one measly hour of play time this weekend so I picked a project that could be completed in that amount of time.

Fortunately, the project that ranked highest in importance fit the bill...the hand brake assembly.

The original pawl was worn out, the hole in the lever where the pawl connects was all hogged out and the pawl rod was broken where the cotter pin goes. I made a rivet out of a shoulder bolt then peened it closed after installing a new pawl. There was just enough rod left to drill a new cotter pin hole.

I had enough time to install it but not enough time to adjust for free neutral. That’ll have to wait.

Once that’s done, I’ll be able to start the car with all four wheels on the ground. Up to this point, I’ve been jacking up a rear wheel when starting the car.
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Post by RustyFords » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:19 pm

Life’s been getting in the way of T time. I’ve spent the last week putting down new floors in my house and tomorrow my wife’s having surgery.

I do hope to free up some time this weekend though. And...a first drive is not a completely unrealistic goal.

In the meantime, here’s another short video of the T after I installed the muffler and messed with the timing a little bit.

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Post by RustyFords » Wed Jul 24, 2019 10:07 pm

The new Rootlieb tank arrived today so I gave it a few coats of flat black so it’ll be dry by this weekend.

Now everything between the gas cap and the intake manifold is new (tank, sediment bowl assembly, fuel line and rebuilt carburetor). I’ve learned from the school of hard knocks with old cars that have been sitting for decades...if you can afford to go ahead and replace the whole fuel system, you probably should. It saves a lot of time and frustration,

In the end, I’m glad my leaky fuel tank forced my hand on getting a new one.
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Post by RustyFords » Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:48 pm

VICTORY!

We took the T for its first run around the block this weekend. I still have a grin on my face. :P

My son took a video that I'll get posted soon.

It was a mixed bag...with some very amatuerish mistakes on my part. I started the car up and backed it out of the driveway then put the handbrake forward and, in spite of me knowing that I needed to advance the throttle a bit before taking off, I forgot to do so and killed the engine when I stepped on the pedal for low gear.

Then, I got flustered and restarted the car but left my foot on the starter button for about 5 seconds....all the while wondering what that grinding sound was. It was the starter of course. So...I successfully launched the car in low gear, drove about 100 yards then attempted high gear and lurched the thing like a complete amatuer.

We made the 1 mile loop around the neighborhood and parked it.

I attempted another, longer run later (4 laps around the neighborhood) and things were going well until the beginning of the last lap when it started running badly...struggling for power and missing a lot. I made it back to the house and parked it. I can't find my heat stove pipe (it disappeared sometime in the last two years) and this being Houston, the temps are in the 90's and the humidity is about the same as the inside of a dog's mouth. I noticed that the carb was covered in condensation and cool to the touch even though the engine was hot.

So, I'm guessing that had alot to do with the power/missing issue. I ordered another pipe from Langs.

Another "problem" was the ancient tires that have been sitting for years in basically the same position. Once I was underway, their lack of roundness and overall pliability was comical. I ordered 4 new tires and tubes from Summit.

Ross wanted to put o-rings on the pedal shafts and I let him, but the pedals are not readily returning when I let off of them and I'm wondering if that's the cause. I'll pull off the trans inspection cover and take a look at that.

BUT....the overall story is that the old girl is a real, running driving car for the first time in lord knows how long....at least since 1969, but if I had to guess, I'd say that it's been much longer than that...probably since the end of WW2.
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Post by Dallas Landers » Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:15 pm

Thats great news Don, I made all the same rookie mistakes. I learned real fast to only push peddle 1/2 way when pulling up to a stop sign. Before I knew it I was in the middle of the intersection!

Before you know it it will all be second nature to you. Drive time is all thats needed. A few bugs worked out and you will be the talk of the town in that old ford. I cant wait for the photos and video!!!

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Yesssss!!!
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Post by Duey_C » Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:56 pm

I waited too long to edit my last.
Do you figure a couple drops of oil on the outsides of the pedal shafts would lube the outside of the o-rings?
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I waited too long to edit my last.
Do you figure a couple drops of oil on the outsides of the pedal shafts would lube the outside of the o-rings?
I was thinking the same thing.
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Post by RustyFords » Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:33 pm

Here's the video of the T's first drive.

My son suggested that I edit out the part where I stalled the car then left my foot on the starter. But I figured I'd leave it all in...warts and all.

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Post by Scott_Conger » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:41 pm

"that was awesome"

I'll say...perfect way to end the video!

Made me smile as you struggled your way through the drive. You'll figure out smooth shifting, etc. Much easier to be taught than just go out like you did. I'd call it a success.

Technique will come. Get with an experienced driver and let them work with you and it will become an easy beast to tame.

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Post by RustyFords » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:15 pm

Thanks yall.

I've put several old cars back on the road after long sleeps, but this one has a completely different feel...much more like something significant. Old F100's and mid-50's sedans are cool, but this is a Model T...the car that built America and changed history. To revive one and make it a real car again, especially when it had come so close to being parted out or scrapped, really strikes a chord with me.

It honestly didn't run very well at all after that first drive....probably due to the lack of a heat pipe or it may have been something else. But I'm not even slightly put off by it. I'll continue to tinker with it and actually learn how to properly drive the thing over the next few months. I've watched John Mays do it right and have watched enough videos to know what I'm doing wrong, but you're right Scott...it probably wouldn't hurt to have an experienced driver come over and give me some pointers. The pedals sticking is not making it easy though. That has to be sorted out asap.
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Post by Dallas Landers » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:24 pm

That was GREAT! What a great story this has been. I cant wait for the next chapter and some pics of it all together.


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Post by Wayne Sheldon » Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:17 am

Glad I looked in here and got caught up! Fantastic! Those driving and adjusting miscues? We have ALL done that!
CONGRATULATIONS!

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Post by RustyFords » Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:15 pm

Thank you Dallas and Wayne....more reports and videos to come.
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Post by Duey_C » Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:15 pm

"...warts and all." I'm glad you did. :lol: I did not laugh at you at the time but we sure know the feelings when it happens. Oops.
Man, oh man those handy electric "self commencer's" are great.
When a fella has to crank it out front, down town? Well, let's just say the starters are handier than that. I got lucky with Lizzhe.
Thanks for taking us on the ride with you guys. :)
Interesting topography you folks have there. I enjoyed that too. Everyone has a culvert! Is it sorta like a piece of plywood down there?
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Post by RustyFords » Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:35 pm

Thanks Duane. The learning will be part of the fun, I'm sure.

If by plywood, you mean flat...then yes. We are on the northern edge of the coastal plain here. Just a few miles north however, it starts to get a bit hilly.

There's a town near here (Tomball...named after a senator....Tom Ball), the creation of which is due entirely to the fact that the terrain switched from hilly to flat in that spot. The trains going south could be reconfigured to haul much heavier loads as they negotiated the almost imperceptibly flat decline all the way to Houston, Galveston and all the other towns south and west along the coastal bend. The opposite was true for the trains going north.
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Post by RustyFords » Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:17 am

Duey_C wrote:
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Is it sorta like a piece of plywood down there?

or....you could be referring to my floorboard. If so, then yes....that's a piece of plywood. I have proper floorboards for it but they're right on the edge of being to narrow and when you put any weight on them, they fall through and get wedged against the pedals. However, they're gorgeous, so I'll have to figure out a fix because I'm definitely going to use them.
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Post by Duey_C » Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:38 am

Hahaha! What do you think I used for floorboards in 2 of my crummy T's? Plywood! With a stiffener underneath! Jeez, 3/8 in the '24.
I can't yet put any upper floorboards in the nicer Tin Cup T here yet! The risers are splitting apart and I don't want to wreck em!
They don't fit quite right either. Too wide and clutch pedal isn't happy. Maybe we should trade. :lol:
Oh wait. I'd bet a dollar I put a helper on the driver's side to help hold the bottom floorboard up. :oops:
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Post by RustyFords » Sat Aug 10, 2019 1:27 pm

I have a big grin on my face this morning.

When I put the T up last week, it was running like poo and had no power. During the work week, I mulled it over and figured I’d go through the basics (carb float level, plug gap, spark quality, vacuum leak, etc) to find the issue.

The first thing I did this morning was pull the plugs. They were all filthy rich. They got a good cleaning, then once they were reinstalled I reset the fuel mixture. The mid-point between too lean and too rich for this car seems to be about 3/4 of a turn. I was running it at 1 1/4 turns.

I did a couple more laps...better, but I felt like it had more in it.

Then I pulled the plugs again and reset the gaps. Three of them were at .025 and one was .020. I reset them to .030 then back to the “test track”. The change was night and day. The throttle was responsive and it had a lot more power.

Duane, I even got a little bit goofy with it and thought of you. On the 1/2 mile back stretch I advanced the timing and pulled the throttle down. The old girl lit up. I’m just guessing, but we probably got 35 mph for a second before turn 3 where I had to engine brake it and slow down.

This is going to be fun.
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Post by John Warren » Sat Aug 10, 2019 7:23 pm

Don, Great journey, Thanks for taking us along. I'm sure that it was an absolutely great feeling to finally drive her YAAAA. You can adjust the carburetor prior to getting in the seat. It is best if you have the adjustment rod installed so you ca adjust it from the seat. She will blubber when she is rich and cough when she is lean. Always remember to advance the timing after starting it. Thanks again and post more photos.
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Post by RustyFords » Sat Aug 10, 2019 8:01 pm

John Warren wrote:
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She will blubber when she is rich and cough when she is lean.
It’s these little bits of knowledge that really go a long way toward getting the most out of an ancient car like this.
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Post by Dallas Landers » Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:32 pm

Don good to hear its up to speed. Once you get some bugs worked out and used to the sound of the engine, you can play with plug gap. My pickup likes .028 and the TT seems happy with .030. You will learn spark advance and carb setting to get that happy engine sound. Seat time behind the wheel is all you need. Hope you get plenty!!!

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Post by RustyFords » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:05 pm

Thanks Dallas. I hope so too (that I get a good amount of wheel time). That'll be a bigger challenge than anything else. Work, wife, kids, yard, house, etc...they all consume my time, and leave very little for me. I'm grateful to have such a full life though.

As I sit here and type, I have a house full of teenagers hanging out, playing music and video games. This is the norm around here. Great "kids", all of them. Not perfect, just good solid kids. I know, however, that too soon they'll be off living their lives and I'll trade the house full of energy and laughter for more T time. As much as I love my old cars, I'm not sure that it's a good trade.

Out of the eight 18 and 19 year olds in my house tonight, four are in college, one is learning a skilled trade and 3 are going into the military...including my son (in January).
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Post by RustyFords » Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:06 am

More laps around the neighborhood today.

There's an Exxon station about a mile from my house and the next goal is to drive there and get some gas. I won't feel comfortable doing that until I can get the clutch pedal to quit sticking. I gave the shaft several squirts of oil from the outside this evening and worked it back and forth. Hopefully that'll lubricate things so that next week the issue is fixed.
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Post by RustyFords » Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:10 pm

Today I assembled four new tires, tubes and flaps.

Tomorrow I'll try my hand at mounting them on split rims. But, first I need to learn the proper way to use the rim spreader so I don't wreck the very nice set of split rims I bought at Chickasha in 2018.
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Thanks to the MTFCA forum archives, I learned how to properly use the rim spreader and got all four tires mounted on the rims then on the car.
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Post by dobro1956 » Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:39 pm

Don, I tried to send you a e-mail and PM message. ..... If you are still in need of a high radiator shell with patina . let me know . I may have something that will work ...
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Post by RustyFords » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:03 am

Just sent you an email Donnie.
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Post by George Hand » Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:37 am

Don, I have studied your post on the 1924 Touring, quite the adventure. I have just acquired a 1923 Touring project that was started a number of years ago, the owner passed away a couple years ago and have purchased the car from the family. With that the chassis has been gone thru but the body has been dissembled and all the tin striped, primed and painted. The wood structure has been broken down to the left and right hand sides and that is in very good shape. The tack strips should be replaced upon reassembly. The issue I have is I have a pile of bolts, nuts, screws and tacks, most I can sort out, but if you have any more interior photos without upholstery that would be appreciated. Some of what you have already posted have shown me where some things go. Your post has been very helpful. Thank You George Hand

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Post by RustyFords » Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:04 pm

Hi George....what you see on my build thread is pretty much what I have as far as photos go.

My car was missing 2 of the three door-wood sets and the one present was in bad shape. I still don't have upholstery installed yet, so I'd be happy to take some phots of anything on my car and send them to you. And, as you've probably seen, I created my tack strip corners myself.
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Post by George Hand » Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:31 pm

Don, Thank you, What I would like would be photos of where the panels join along with the fastener size, at the cowl and rear quarter and rear panel. George

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Post by Duey_C » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:14 pm

Glad I stopped in here again. Enjoy your time with those kids, I had written and then X'd out. Then maybe grandkids will come in a few. Even more fun! :)
You guys have me thinking about plug gap on the '18 here. That's a good thing as I have a funky 35 year old X that isn't that happy so I have things to do there. Other worlds are my main focus right now so I have to fit a Toodle with Maw in soon.
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Post by Barth_Tool_Co » Wed Sep 25, 2019 11:20 pm

My my! Have a busy summer and when I come back it's running and driving around! Great work, loved the videos!
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Post by RustyFords » Mon Sep 30, 2019 1:54 pm

I’ve been staying busy on the T when time allows and have the following projects going currently:

- installing a new generator and cutout
- replacing the short honeycomb radiator with a new, tall one from Berg’s.
- installing Fun Projects coil box kit.
- adding a running board luggage rack and a vintage suitcase containing oil, gas and water
- installing a remote fuel cut off valve handle made out of a vintage bathroom sink handle.

I’ll get some photos of all of this made soon and will post them.

Mostly I’ve been working long hours while the T sits patiently waiting for me. I envy you retired guys and gals.
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Post by Dallas Landers » Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:51 pm

Thanks for the update Don. Sounds like your getting your ducks in a row for when you have more time. She will wait!

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Post by RustyFords » Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:50 pm

From the outset, I suspected that the coil box in my car was most likely OEM and had never been touched or maintained. I knew this couldn't be helping the car any as far as running smoothly, so I ordered a Fun Projects Coil Box Kit and, over the weekend, installed it.

It was fairly straightforward but one does need to follow the instructions in order to get it right. The one step I skipped was soldering the contacts to the posts because I didn't have any rosin core solder. At some point in the future, I'll probably pull it back apart and do this.

After the reworked box was installed, all hard starting and intermitent missing issues were resolved. I'm sure that my rebuilt coils were not making full contact in the old box.

The most surprising improvement was the magneto performance. I'd never noticed the "surge" in the engine that so many people report when switching to mag. My car tended to run about the same or slightly worse. After the rebuild, the surge is very noticeable.

I am very pleased with the outer appearance of the box. It's a rust-free (gotta love the way west Texas preserves old metal) Ford stamped piece wearing the same nicely weathered factory paint as the rest of the car. And, like the rest of the car, it responded nicely to the Penetrol treatmemt.
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