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Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 3:07 pm
by Angmar
Don, I also tried to reach you via email and private message.

Let us know what the best way would be to reach you.

thanks.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:46 pm
by RustyFords
I just replied to your PM...and included my email address.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:07 am
by Duey_C
Yesss! Great to know that Fun Projects coil box kit has breathed new life back into your 24! :)
The 18 is 3rd in line here for the Fun Projects kits. 18 Tin Cup works OK but getting a bit less than OK. A 40 yr old wood kit.
:)

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:34 pm
by RustyFords
Duey_C wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:07 am
The 18 is 3rd in line here for the Fun Projects kits. 18 Tin Cup works OK but getting a bit less than OK. A 40 yr old wood kit.
Yeah...40 year old wood is usually fine in most applications...but it's easy to see why it might be suspect in its role in a coil box.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 8:57 am
by RustyFords
My new Berg’s radiator arrived and I couldn’t resist setting it in place.

My car now has the “face” that a high radiator black T should have. This weekend should fun...I have lots of little jobs to do on the T and then I’ll be able to take it for a ride without a leaking radiator for the first time.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:27 am
by RustyFords
Had about an hour of available fun-time after work yesterday so I worked on an easy little project.

The starter button that came with my car wasn't a Model T button. Who knows what it started life as, but it wasn't for a T. It was attached to the seat frame and was sort of flopping around, making the car hard to start and not doing the seat frame any favors.

A new one was ordered from Langs and it seems like a nice quality piece. The only problem was how shiny it is....can't have a shiny starter button sticking through the floor on my car. What would the neighbors think! ;)

So...the non electrical bits (the mounting bracket and extension) got a quick bath in hydrochloric acid to remove the zinc plating, then were rinsed and received a nice coat of flat black. While I had the HCl out, I also dipped the new radiator hose clamps. They now have a nice bare steel look that I'm sure will start to rust pretty quick. I'll let that happen to a mild extent then I'll stop it with penetrol.

I'll install it this weekend along with the following:

- reworked hood shelves
- new radiator, hoses, clamps, radiator shell
- new/correct fuel line (old one is homemade...and leaking)

I also have a plan to reinforce the front floorboard (the big one where the lever is). It's just a bit too narrow and sometimes slips down. Can't have that.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:48 pm
by Duey_C
I think Freddie Prinze said this way back in the day on Chico And The Man with Jack Albertson. Loooking goood! :)
Up here, 1st coil box for me was Mayor Keith's 25 TT. Been done for months but both of us are too darned busy to put it in!
Shoot, I'm just gonna ask. What is HCI used for otherwise? Man that worked nice to de-plate! Brain fart and head wrapped around other things right now. I want to say toilet bowl cleaner that actually works but... :oops:

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:51 am
by RustyFords
Duey_C wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:48 pm
Shoot, I'm just gonna ask. What is HCI used for otherwise? Man that worked nice to de-plate!
Hydrochloric (muriatic) acid is commonly found in batteries and has a variety of other uses. It is excellent at stripping plating and rust but it will also do a number on flesh and it can release chlorine gas compounds, so care is best taken when using it.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 12:10 pm
by Duey_C
Now I'm embarrassed Don! Muriatic acid and (duh Duane) batteries. :roll:
I was looking for some Clean Cast Iron paint and a tiny can of naptha thinner at the store and the muriatic is right there next to all those nasty thinners. Didn't find either. Muriatic is good for a flush thru a high mile heater core on a modern to get more heat out of it.
I'll bet you don't care much about that. :lol:
Thank you. :)

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:34 pm
by RustyFords
Hopefully my new radiator will go a few miles before it needs a muriatic acid bath. 😊

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:36 pm
by RustyFords
Another red letter day for the T.

First trip to the gas station since the 1960’s. This station is about 3 miles from my house.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:09 pm
by Angmar
That has got to feel very good, congratulations.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:48 pm
by Dallas Landers
Oh ya, gas meens go! Sounds like you plan on doing some driving?

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:17 pm
by RustyFords
Angmar wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:09 pm
That has got to feel very good, congratulations.
Thanks!

Sublime...is the word that comes to mind.

Nearly 3 years of working on the old girl. It’s beyond satisfying to drive it around like a real car.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:30 pm
by RustyFords
Dallas Landers wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:48 pm
Oh ya, gas meens go! Sounds like you plan on doing some driving?
Thanks Dallas.

I drove it pretty much all day today. Longest trip was down to the I-45 frontage road from my neighborhood, which is about 5 miles on a road with a 45 mph speed limit.

I probably put roughly 75 miles on the car total today.

To say that I’m pleased would be a big understatement.

Based on the exhaust pipe and one plug that I pulled, it’s running a bit rich. I have the mixture screw set at one complete turn out...I guess it wants less than that.

Temps were in the low 80’s today and even leaving it idling for 15 minutes, the new Berg’s radiator didn’t even think about getting hot.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:34 pm
by Scott_Conger
I am really really pleased for you.

I've followed your tale since the beginning, and have enjoyed every minute of it. Good for you!

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:48 pm
by RustyFords
Scott_Conger wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 7:34 pm
I am really really pleased for you.

I've followed your tale since the beginning, and have enjoyed every minute of it. Good for you!
Thank you Scott.

It’s been a trying journey at times but I’m glad I did it this way. I have a much more intimate knowledge of the car after having taken apart and repaired pretty much all of it. The only thing I didn’t do was get into the guts of the transmission and the front axle/steering. I will however, tackle the steering linkage and worn front perches in the near future.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:35 pm
by RustyFords
Here's a short video my son took yesterday of us putting around the neighborhood next to ours. It has miles of nicely curving roads...tailor made for a guy still learning the finer points of driving a Model T.

It's not very long but it does show how nice the engine is running.

https://youtu.be/6Fr16OvNEl8

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:58 pm
by RustyFords
Here’s a contrast for you:

My friend’s 73 F100 with Crown Vic front suspension and a supercharged Ford Lightning engine putting out just under 600 hp (and too many other mods to list).

And...my T ...rated at less than 600 hp. :D

I helped him with the build. It was his deceased brother’s truck and was a thoroughly worn out long-bed when he started in on it.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:45 pm
by RustyFords
I had the T out again today and drove it even further...about 10 miles from home. At a gas station, a young mother asked if her kids could stand beside it to take a picture and instead I let them all get up in the car and honk the horn. Then back in the neighborhood, a dad waived me down to ask about the car and I ended up giving him and his kids a ride around the block a few times. This is why I wanted this car...not for awards, not for car shows but to enjoy it along with other people and to drive it.

I worked on my high gear shifting and was getting better until I messed up and had one particularly clunky shift and heard a metallic pop from under the car after which I could hear a metallic whining/scraping that got worse the faster I went.

It’s not present when sitting still and the engine starts right up and runs just fine.

So...I’m thinking maybe a broken axle....who knows. I immediately drove it back to my garage (about a quarter mile).

It drives just fine, and other than the metallic whining/scraping sound, nothing seems to be wrong. I had to put the car away and go to a family event, so I didn’t get a chance to examine it, but I will tomorrow.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:05 pm
by Dallas Landers
I hope its nothing major. Your just starting to experience a T at its best. Seeing the joy it brings to others is 1/2 the fun.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 9:49 pm
by RustyFords
Happy news.

It was just a hub bolt that had snapped off. I had some spares and replaced it in a jiffy.

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I was so happy that I went tearing down the road like a madman at breakneck speed which resulted in the local gendarmes pulling over. 😉

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Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:01 pm
by RustyFords
Dallas Landers wrote:
Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:05 pm
I hope its nothing major. Your just starting to experience a T at its best. Seeing the joy it brings to others is 1/2 the fun.
So true. I’m REALLY relieved that it was minor.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:04 pm
by Scott_Conger
Don

check wheels very carefully for loose spokes (do I remember you rebuilt them, or not?)

anyway, the bolts are not peened over the nuts...bad news
if original spokes am wondering if they "clocked" over a little and the bolt gave up

Like I said...looke everything over carefully and invest in new, quality repro bolts...you've proven that the originals have little life left.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:08 pm
by RustyFords
Scott

The wheels are some originals that I bought a couple years ago. They're very solid. I can't get any of the spokes to even think about budging no matter how hard I tug on them. The previous owner removed the large brake drums to use with his new wire wheels.

Then I installed my own drums...so...these old OEM bolts have had the nuts on and off a few times...which contributed to one of them giving way, I'm sure. Out of curiousity, I looked at the hub bolts on the front wheels and sure enough, they're peened.

As soon as I get the new bolts I ordered from Lang's, I'll install them and peen them in place. I took a good look at the spokes and they don't appear to have been "clocked". I think I narrowly averted disaster.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:41 pm
by Dallas Landers
You made a new friend with pretty lights on his truck?

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:32 pm
by RustyFords
Dallas Landers wrote:
Mon Oct 21, 2019 1:41 pm
You made a new friend with pretty lights on his truck?
:D

Just my friend Alex the cop....couldn't resist having him do this. ;)

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:37 pm
by RustyFords
Here’s another short video of the T in action.

I’m getting better at driving It.

https://youtu.be/whv2DbawDlw

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:01 pm
by Scott_Conger
Don

re: bolts
perfect!

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:28 pm
by RustyFords
Spent some time perfecting the low to high shift and finding/using neutral between high and low with the pedal.

Once I increased my comfort level with the controls, I took some longer distance journeys down rural roads. Then, once the World Series game started and the neighborhood streets completely emptied out (the Astros are playing), I bombed around kinda like a madman for a few laps and the old T just loved it.

I suspected this T stuff would be fun but this has exceeded my expectations.

I LOVE this little car. ❤️

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:34 pm
by Scott_Conger
Don

good for you...you've probably found by now that pretty much any pressure or movement of the pedal takes you out of "hi".

soft soled shoes and attention to "feel" will let you feel the point where the low speed notch suddenly increases resistance where the shaft stops simply rotating and actually starts camming in while rotating.

When you're still learning, Leather soled shoes don't "feel" this as well as cheap tennis shoes. Once you get the feel for it, you should be able to feel it while wearing anything up to and including waders.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:07 am
by RustyFords
Good advice Scott....thanks. One thing I love about Model T's is how you can actually feel the engine operating with your foot. These cars are as close to being alive as anything mechanical I've ever come across.

Next little project for me will be a remote fuel shutoff valve. I'm not as "advanced" in years as some of yall, but have noticed that getting up and down on the concrete floor then sliding under a car is not nearly as easy at 50 as it was at 15. :|

I have a nice little vintage porcelain water faucet handle that I'll use for this.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:21 am
by Scott_Conger
have noticed that getting up and down on the concrete floor then sliding under a car is not nearly as easy at 50 as it was at 15.
Trust me, it doesn't get any better... ;)

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:45 am
by Dallas Landers
Don, it gets harder every year to get up from the knees but what prompted me to install a remote shut off on the TT was that blistering hot exaust pipe.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:26 pm
by RustyFords
Dallas Landers wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:45 am
Don, it gets harder every year to get up from the knees but what prompted me to install a remote shut off on the TT was that blistering hot exaust pipe.
yeah...I can see that being potentially rather unpleasant.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:38 pm
by RustyFords
The T is running exceptionally well and I’m getting pretty good at using all the misc controls so I decided to take the next step and drive the T to downtown Conroe, a large suburban town about 10 miles from my house. The trip required multiple stops, in traffic, with lots of cars all around.

Fortunately, there is a route that is almost entirely neighborhood streets.

I focused on safety and what the drivers around me were doing and it went off without a hitch. The biggest challenge, I’ve discovered, after driving this car for several weeks, is the person coming alongside while you’re moving, to take photos. You never really know what that person is going to do.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:38 pm
by RustyFords
This evening I cleaned, rerouted and reconnected all the starter button connections.

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It was kinda clunky when trying to start. That’s gone now and the starter engages immediately.

I also trimmed the positive battery cable to a more correct length, installed a new battery terminal on it and used an old shock absorber grommet to run the cable through the cable holder.

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Both minor things, but it’s the little fussy bits and attention to detail that go a long toward making a reliable trouble free antique car, regardless of make/model.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:33 pm
by RustyFords
I took a minute to go back through the build thread back to the ones on the old forum.

The T has come a long way.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:35 pm
by RustyFords
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Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:12 am
by CudaMan
If you haven't put upholstery and a top in it yet, you might consider having Classtique make you kits from "distressed vinyl" to match the patina of the car. Here is an example of the material available, there are several sources, it might pay to search around to get the desired look:

https://www.discounteddesignerfabrics.c ... ade-vinyl/

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:25 pm
by Duey_C
"I LOVE this little car. ❤️"
Sucker.
We all told you and told you and still, ya had to figure it out for yourself, didn't ya. :lol:
You sure have some nice residential streets to drive on. :)
You said you can feel......... when driving.... alive..... This.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:22 pm
by RustyFords
cudaman wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:12 am
If you haven't put upholstery and a top in it yet, you might consider having Classtique make you kits from "distressed vinyl" to match the patina of the car. Here is an example of the material available, there are several sources, it might pay to search around to get the desired look:

https://www.discounteddesignerfabrics.c ... ade-vinyl/
Thanks for the info Mark. I’ll check them out. Still not sure which route I’m going to take on the interior.

Duey_C wrote:
Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:25 pm
"I LOVE this little car. ❤️"
Sucker.
We all told you and told you and still, ya had to figure it out for yourself, didn't ya. :lol:
You sure have some nice residential streets to drive on. :)
You said you can feel......... when driving.... alive..... This.
I was driving it today on a new road they just put in. No businesses or houses on the road yet. Four lanes of beautiful smooth concrete for several miles. The sun was shining. 68 degrees. Putting along in high gear around 20 mph, the little T just singing a pretty little song.

If that doesn’t de-stress a person, they can’t be helped.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:52 pm
by Duey_C
Don, you are so right.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:06 pm
by dobro1956
Scott, I have followed your build since you started it. I'm glad to see its running and driving. You probably will have way more fun with your "patina" car than a fully restored car. I have had both. While the fully restored car was nice, it is too much work keeping it that way, and you really do not feel comfortable with kids (and some adults) are crawling in it. For me the patina car is just way more fun to show and drive

I think I see a nice high radiator shell in the last pic you posted. It looks like the patina was a good match.

Have fun and be safe .................

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:24 pm
by RustyFords
Thanks Donnie.

I’ve had restored cars in the past and didn’t get a fraction of the enjoyment that I’m already getting out of this T.

Yes...that’s a very nice weathered tall shell that a forum member sold to me for way less than it was probably worth, in order to help me put the T on the road with its new Berg’s radiator. This has happened several times with forum members and I’m humbled.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:41 pm
by RustyFords
I’m getting better and better at driving this contraption and I’m slowly dialing in all the controls.

All that adds up to something I have more confidence in. I drove it to downtown Conroe, TX again but this time took a more direct route.

I’m staying off of roads with a speed limit greater than 45mph. And, I’ll go this week to a bike shop or Walmart and buy some clip-on flashy lights.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:46 pm
by Scott_Conger
Am enjoying this more and more...

:D

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:49 pm
by RustyFords
Scott_Conger wrote:
Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:46 pm
Am enjoying this more and more...

:D
Thanks Scott. I’m realizing now that I should’ve bought a T a couple decades ago.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2019 2:00 pm
by RustyFords
Just a little frivolous bit of nothing....but I added this vintage 1940's Texas roller-rink sticker to the windshield.

I had a NRA (National Recovery Administration) reproduction vinyl sticker in that spot, but it didn't look old. This one actually is old and had some nice shelf wear on it...which helps with the look that suggests it might've been there a long time.

It helps that the characters are cute. Kinda reminds me of Archie and Betty.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:16 am
by RustyFords
Just noticed this tonight...the Ford stamp on the front crossmember.

Further evidence suggesting that this car is wearing original paint. This faint stamp would’ve almost certainly been filled in by a respray.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:40 pm
by Barth_Tool_Co
Really enjoying your posts! Downtown Conroe looks like my kind of place :D

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:51 pm
by RustyFords
Barth_Tool_Co wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:40 pm
Really enjoying your posts! Downtown Conroe looks like my kind of place :D
Thanks Jason. Conroe has a beautiful old downtown that’s underutilized IMHO. It’s the county seat so there’s a lot of lawyers offices. But, the fact that Houston is swallowing it is bringing more fun things into the downtown district as the wealthy yuppies are wanting more things like micro-breweries, restaurants etc.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 8:36 pm
by RustyFords
The temps rose to the high 60’s today so I took the T out for a longer drive. Thus time I went about 20 miles in one direction. So...a 40 mile round trip.

The little touring car performed flawlessly.

This is so much fun. I should’ve done this a long time ago.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:18 pm
by Dallas Landers
Amen Don!

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:41 am
by John l
You might want to check with some of the other posters. I think your new battery red battery cable should be souldered instead of crimped.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:05 am
by RustyFords
John l wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:41 am
You might want to check with some of the other posters. I think your new battery red battery cable should be souldered instead of crimped.
Certainly couldn’t hurt.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:14 am
by ewdysar
After building a number of electric car conversion in the ‘90s with lots of cable connections, the consensus is that battery cables should be properly crimped as a mechanical connection, once crimped, the lug can be soldered as well, but if the lug is the right size for the cable gauge and properly crimped, the solder doesn’t add much value. Battery/starter cables, because the the amps involved, should not rely on solder alone, the mechanical connection is required. We all know that if a wiring connection gets loose, it warms up, and with primary battery cables, that heat can unsolder your lug faster than you think. Corrosion can also increase resistance (which will cause the lug to heat up), so I also heat shrink all battery cable lugs after crimping.

When I pulled the diesel motor out of my old 30’ sailboat and converted it to electric 10 years ago, I found this wiring source on the internet http://www.genuinedealz.com/ Their tinned cable is much higher quality than the plain cable that you can get at most local sources (hardware stores and the big box places) and is usually cheaper. For anything other than a quick one-off repair, I would go to them for materials. That said, for my Model T wiring projects, I think cloth wrapped wire looks better and is worth the effort to source it. My go-to place for that is http://www.riwire.com/

Keep crankin’
Eric

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:06 pm
by RustyFords
Interesting food for thought Eric...thanks.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:13 pm
by RustyFords
Another good day of T’ing.

Took the T to Sonic. The route I took was about 25 miles each way. Fun, fun, fun!

I am however, going to have to choose a time soon to install my new front springs, perches, shackles, spindles, etc. That’ll take it off the road for a short time.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:36 pm
by Dallas Landers
Don, thats why you need two T's! When one needs a day or a week at the spa, you can still have fun with the other!

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 5:58 pm
by RustyFords
Dallas Landers wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:36 pm
Don, thats why you need two T's! When one needs a day or a week at the spa, you can still have fun with the other!
What scares me is that this sort of insane logic is starting to make sense to me.

But then my 66 F100 is starting to give me the stink eye because I used to take him out goofing around.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 6:19 pm
by Dallas Landers
My 41 coupe is doung the same :oops:

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:39 pm
by Allan
DON, I can still give your F truck a good home. It would look mighty good at Chickasha with a load of new purchases in the back, heading for the west coast and beyond.

Allan from down under.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:21 pm
by RustyFords
Allan wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 9:39 pm
DON, I can still give your F truck a good home. It would look mighty good at Chickasha with a load of new purchases in the back, heading for the west coast and beyond.

Allan from down under.
😉

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:05 am
by RustyFords
Neighbor just inherited his grandfather’s Model A. I was asked to help him learn to set the timing, etc.

I figured why not drive the T over and get a family photo.

😊

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Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:51 am
by CudaMan
There is a great article in the July/August 2019 issue of "Antique Automobile" magazine on a Model T owner who had Classtique make him new seat and top upholstery using "distressed" look vinyl. I can't scan and post pictures here due to copyright concerns, sorry.

Check with Mike at Classtique regarding the source of the vinyl, hopefully he can obtain more to do your upholstery and top! :)

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:38 pm
by RustyFords
Thanks for the info Mark.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:40 pm
by RustyFords
Santa (the mailman) delivered the last of the bits I need to replace my front spring and perches.

Now to set aside a Saturday to do it.
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Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:52 pm
by RustyFords
As you can see...things are pretty much shot to hell in that department.

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Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:18 pm
by Duey_C
Jeez, that looks worse than the 24 here! I am glad you're enjoying this car as he is.
Even new/fresh perches! Woohoo!
Perches? How many Saturdays? :lol: Just kidding.
Your enthusiasm sure shines thru in your posts! :) Love this thread. You give me inspiration with all projects here!
Love that Ford photo op too. Later wheels on that A, hopin' they make the contact points that Henry had in mind.

Hey Eric, thank you on my end for that bit about lugs on the end of cables! Didn't even know Don had a problem...
Point is: At work, right now, we have 500 Amp potential (fuse) going thru some of our cables and I need to address a co-worker and his practices with our cables on an electric unit we build. I like to crimp and solder. I must ask tomorrow what he actually does....
Good advice.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:23 pm
by RustyFords
I’ve been driving the wheels off of the T and having a blast doing it.

I think I’m going to use the holiday break to install the new spring, shackles, etc.
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Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:16 am
by RustyFords
Duey_C wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:18 pm
Your enthusiasm sure shines thru in your posts! :) Love this thread.

Love that Ford photo op too. Later wheels on that A, hopin' they make the contact points that Henry had in mind
Thank you! There’s something about driving something so primitive...it sets it apart from other (newer) old cars.

This Model A was converted to juice brakes decades ago when the grandfather lived in CA. That paint job was done at the same time believe it or not. It’s been stored inside a dry garage since then. Back then, the grandfathers’s goal was to swap in a 283 small block Chevy but it never got done. So...it’s about to happen now. I’ll end up with the whole drivetrain out if it.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:05 pm
by RustyFords
Remote Fuel Shut-Off

Climbing under the car to turn on/off the gas was getting to be a drag so I engineered and installed a remote shutoff valve today.

I bought a two foot long piece of 7/16” steel rod and threaded the end to match a spare brake rod clevis (5/16x24). I also drilled out the two ends where the arm of a fuel bulb just barely fit through.
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Then I attached the clevis and a lock nut.

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On the other end, I drilled a hole in the rod and matching holes in an old water faucet handle, then secured it with a machine screw and nut.
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Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:17 pm
by RustyFords
Here it is installed. It works great. Since both ends come apart, it’s easy to put the rod in place.

I think the old water faucet handle compliments the old paint on the car.
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The next project will also be fuel related. I’ll be replacing the fuel line with a factory spec line. The current line is leaking slowly.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:31 pm
by Duey_C
That fuel shut-off turned out super neat/cool! You'd warned us about that faucet handle. Ding! Winner!
Goll, he's pretty. The Touring, that is. ;)
Took the 18 Runabout here up to a friends building for safe keeping for the winter. Haha! About 200-some feet UP and 5 miles. :lol:
The brother and our co-worker are itchin' to know how to... Everything... I think they want to steal it! The key's in it, ya know.
:lol: Good friends and we rib each other all the time.
Ain't it cool driving something that no-one else knows HOW to start and drive?
Makes me happy. :)
Cool story about the A, except for the 283 implant. The fact you'll get the real McCoy drive train makes it a lot nicer.
Model A's are great fun too. I can drive an AA truck but the cars are too snug. Baby Overland's are way worse.
Said it before: Great thread Don. :)

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:54 am
by RustyFords
Thanks Duey...I always appreciate your comments.

Part of the fun of having a car like this is making the little non-stock period mods. Not worrying about the guy with a rule book, who I’d see only once or twice a year, is liberating.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:44 pm
by RustyFords
I’ve laid out some $$ for new or rebuilt steering and front suspension components. I want this car to be solid at speeds over 30mph and it’s currently not. and has some very worn, probably dangerous components that are giving it a noticeable wobble.

My aim is for every component of these two subsystems to be either new or rebuilt. When we hit a stretch of very cold wet weather (which we typically do around here in January or February) I’ll tear down and install.

I still need to locate a NOS/new/rebuilt drag link and pitman arm. I think Lang’s has the pitman arm new...not sure about the drag link.

I also need to have my axle reamed and bushed.

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Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 4:22 pm
by RustyFords
I felt compelled to take the T through a drive-thru.

All McDonald’s has that I was interested in was a soft drink but this is the only fast food place that I’m currently brave enough to navigate close to. 😊

I liked the look on the teenager’s face when I pulled up to the window. I don’t think he’d have had a different look if I’d floated through in a space ship. 😄

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:59 pm
by Dallas Landers
:!: :shock: :o :shock:
Love it !

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:44 pm
by Scott_Conger
So did you reply to their *agog* look, with: "What?"

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:44 pm
by RustyFords
Dallas Landers wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:59 pm
:!: :shock: :o :shock:
Love it !
It was fun....something I’ve been wanting to do for a while.

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So did you reply to their *agog* look, with: "What?"
That would’ve been the perfect reply.
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There’s a Whataburger a little further down the road. That’s my next target. It’ll have something I actually want to eat.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2019 12:14 am
by ewdysar
I’ve been surprised that less than half of the fast food employees that I’ve seen at drive up windows have reacted at all to either of my Ts. Apparently, just getting the order right and keeping their cash drawer in balance is more than enough to occupy most if not all of their attention. Or maybe, they regularly see other vehicles that are really unusual... :shock:

Keep crankin’
Eric

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:28 pm
by RustyFords
As I was pulling into the driveway today, after a quick lap around the neighborhood, I noticed an Exxon Valdez level oil gusher coming from the engine. Yikes.

A quick inspection revealed that 3 of the 4 bendix cover screws were gone. Again...yikes.

Fortunately, there was still plenty of oil in the engine and no harm done.

When I installed the starter, I didn’t use split washers because I was trying to be “correct”. No more of that degree of nonsense for me. I had some extra screws and they were installed with split washers.

Before you gasp in horror, I’m still resolved to not use Phillips screws anywhere on this foolish carriage 😉. So...I haven’t completely gone to the dark side.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:25 pm
by RustyFords
This magnet came with a bunch of misc stuff I bought from the widow of a guy who had a bunch of super nice hotrods.

I modified it to reflect my approach to my old cars these days.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 5:33 pm
by George Hand
Don, Did you ever get any photos of the inside of the rear seat area? I am looking for photos with out the rear upholstery. George

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Dec 22, 2019 11:16 pm
by RustyFords
Here you go George. I’m missing the vertical wood slats but I think it’s otherwise pretty complete.

One thing on my car that I believe is a modification made to the car back in the day is the 26-27 style top pivots. I have an earlier set that I’ll probably install.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:55 pm
by Luke
Hello Don,

I've followed your thread with great interest, as others have commented it's easy to share your enthusiasm - thanks for sharing!

One thing I'm curious about though is what you need to drive a car such as your T legally in the U.S.?

Here in NZ it was a bit of a mission to get my T on the road, mostly from a paperwork perspective. It took over 2 years and a fair bit of, er, 'discussion' before I could advance to the process of having the chassis inspected and certified by a specialist, then the major overall inspection (and more paperwork) before I could get plates and what we call a 'warrant of fitness' or "WOF' here. I'll need one of those every six months from now on too >:-(

Anyway it's my impression that it's much easier for you, and possibly in the U.K too, but perhaps I'm mistaken?

Cheers.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:38 pm
by George Hand
Don, thank you for taking the time to post your photos. The 1923 Touring I have has the body in pieces and the photos should help me reassemble, I have to post pictures of 2 styles of brackets that came in pairs, with one pair slightly curved angle sheet about 6 inches long with 4 holes on each side, the others about a foot long each straight angle with about 4 holes on each side, they sides about 3/4". I have to get photos. George

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2019 7:04 pm
by Scott_Conger
Luke

given that we are a Republic, with a Federal Gov't, the states reserve the right to deem what is "fit" or not, and whether or not to inspect Antiques, or any other car. Some states are quite generous/lenient and others not so much. That's the overall view of it, which of course answers a question that you didn't exactly ask, yet might in fact answer it perfectly.

Don will be able to describe how Texas handles it and will likely chime in soon.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 12:05 am
by RustyFords
Luke...Scott is correct. Operating as it should, the US should behave like 50 small countries. Unfortunately, we have to fight the creep of Federal power constantly.

In Texas, we remain relatively free however, regarding old cars. Antique vehicles over a certain age (I think it’s 25 years) are exempt from most inspection requirements and need only have the lighting and safety equipment that they came with from the factory.

So...for a Model T, that’s not a lot.

Having descended from Texians who fought in the Texas Revolution, I am fiercely libertarian and hope that these laws remain as they are. I seek to be left the hell alone and want the same for others. But, I’m not optimistic. Leftists are moving here in droves as they flee California and are bringing their oppressive ways with them.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 12:43 am
by Duey_C
Here here! Feel the same.
Eh hem, good you're branching out! At least to the soda fountain. I looked at that pic and my brain said "It's just a car."
To us, perhaps that's right. For that, cool. :)

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:03 am
by Luke
Thanks Scott, and thanks Don, that's interesting to know.

I quite support your views Don. I wish they understood things the same here, unfortunately there's more and more bureaucrapic stuff every year, and (worryingly) bureaucraps looking for something to do so...

When I was trying to get my T on the road here it took a half-hour conversation just to convince the man on the 'phone that it didn't have a chassis number (but, but, it MUST!, he said - many times). However things really degenerated when his next question was "ok, well, if it doesn't have a chassis number what's it's odometer reading?" to which my response was "I don't want to seem awkward but..." :roll: :? :shock:

Anyway please excuse the thread drift, I'm pleased to hear you're still able to get your machine on the road with little effort, long may that continue (along with your most entertaining thread)!

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:04 am
by ewdysar
As another data point, California is also quite free regarding old cars. Like Don said about Texas, in California “Antique vehicles over a certain age (I think it’s 25 years) are exempt from most inspection requirements and need only have the lighting and safety equipment that they came with from the factory.”, although for us the floating 25 years stopped at with the 1975 model year for emissions testing. They stopped at 1975 because that is when effective emissions equipment starting being delivered on new cars, and if they had stuck with the rolling 25 year rule, 1994 cars would be smog exempt today. The various other requirements like seatbelts, lighting, etc. have other specific year cutoffs but our Model Ts predate all of them.

But it was relatively easy to get my father’s old car registered in my name with absolutely no original paperwork and nothing from my dad, just a statement from me that it was given to me as a gift and the purchase of a bond to protect the DMV, in case the car ended up being stolen. No safety inspection, no required upgrades. Likewise, bringing a ‘14 Touring here from the midwest was a simple transaction using a Bill of Sale, including a switch to Year of Manufacture license plates.

Keep crankin’
Eric

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 1:09 pm
by RustyFords
Man oh man have I ever had a blast driving this little car all over my local area. However...it's time to take it out of commission for a while and perform a list of tasks that need to be taken care of.

They will be the following:

- Replace front spring assembly
- Replace front spindles and steering arms
- Replace front perches and shackles
- Install motor mount wood blocks
- Install "belly band" engine support
- Install OEM style fuel line and gaskets
- Remove upper radiator hose and reinstall with some RTV (there's a small persistent leak)
- Weld small crack in rear crossmember
- Install spare tire mount
- Install factory park light and a 26-27 style brake light
- Install brake light switch

January around here is our only really cold month and we typically get a lot of rain, so it's the ideal time to do all this.

After that, the only thing the car really lacks will be some door wood, an interior and the top installation. All of those can be done with the car running and driving.

If the weather looks totally clear, I may take it Chickasha just to putt around in. However, the real goal, for the mostly "finished" car is the Texas T Party in September 2020. I want all the major taks complete, an interior and top installed and all the little bugs worked out of the running gear by then. The OCF is on my wish list for 2020 and I'm gonna try like heck to attend, but I'm not 100% sure about it yet. I am sure about the T Party.

My 66 F100 will be glad to see the Model T down for maintenance. He's been ignored lately and wants to go to the hardware store.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 3:12 pm
by RustyFords
Donnie (aka "dobro")....I wanted to say "thank you" again for the beautiful tall radiator shell.

The patina is a super match for my car. I know they're getting pretty scarce in this condition and I appreciate you parting with it...especially at such a good price.

It's given my T its proper face back.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 5:18 pm
by Dallas Landers
Don, I am thinking the same schedule for down time. I have a fresh engine, Muncie 3 speed and a front cross member to replace. Winter here is the time for it. Now I have the house Im working on closed in for winter, the pressure is off at work. I can start my weekend therapy sessions again. The TT rear fenders are on the list also. I sure hope you can make OCF. You would have a blast as we all do.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:20 pm
by RustyFords
I procrastinated on starting the front spring project so I could drive the car today. It looked like the last decent weather day for a while.

I was at the end of a 20 minute drive when the car started running rough. I limped it home and shorted out each plug until I discovered #2 not firing. I switched coils between #1 and #2 then shorted the plugs again and #1 wasn’t firing.

So...it looks like a coil has failed.

I’m wondering why/how a fairly new coil just gives up like that midstream. It’s one that the coil doctor rebuilt for me a couple years ago, but it doesn’t have a ton of miles on it. I have an ECCT and plan on testing the coil as soon as possible.

I’ll also start taking apart the front suspension tomorrow.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 2:34 pm
by RustyFords
I jumped in and pulled the axle last night.

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One of the shackles was not cooperating so I was forced to persuade it.

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I expected the perches to be bad....but wow!

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The spring set had an extra leaf added. That, combined with the fact that two rear spring clamps had been added to the front crossmember, leads me to believe that this car was set up, back in the day to do some heavy hauling. That's in line with other evidence I've discovered about this car. It was worked hard on the farm during WW2 and possibly before. The old girl deserves respect and thanks for doing her part to keep the country going during trying times.

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Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 3:39 pm
by Scott_Conger
Not many miles left before what could become a bad accident. Very good that you're doing this. New perches are nearly indistinguishable from originals and are worth the expense.

Re: 24 Touring Barn Car Revival - Part 3

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:56 pm
by RustyFords
Scott_Conger wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 3:39 pm
Not many miles left before what could become a bad accident. Very good that you're doing this. New perches are nearly indistinguishable from originals and are worth the expense.
Yeah...I knew I was pushing my luck. I didn’t realize how far I’d pushed it. Yikes