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Aux trans requirements?

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 12:53 am
by Steve Jelf
When you install a Muncie, Warford, Chicago, etc., I understand that calls for shortening the DS tube and radius rods. Does the drive shaft also have to be cut and welded, or are there short drive shafts made for this?

Re: Aux trans requirements?

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:08 am
by tman1913
Birdhaven makes shorten shafts for the KC Warford.
They maybe able to help.

Re: Aux trans requirements?

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 1:30 am
by Wayne Sheldon
They have been made special for auxiliary transmissions. However almost every one of the different transmissions was a different length, by anywhere from a half inch to several inches. So no one shortened driveshaft can fit more than a few transmissions.
Generally, driveshafts were shortened by re-machining one end or the other. Which end usually depended upon whether the shop was better set up for the keyed taper or the straight square.
I once did one myself, with a bench grinder and hand tools! I used an era crankshaft cutting tool to cut the forward end to fit the torque tube's front bushing, then using a bench grinder with home-made go-no-go gauges carefully shaped the square to a perfect fit for the U-joint.
It CAN be done!

Re: Aux trans requirements?

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:00 am
by Erik Barrett
All of those things have to be shortened. The tubes I cut and machine the ends square, then weld. On the shafts I cut the front end off and machine the bushing surface and u joint square back on in the right spot.

Re: Aux trans requirements?

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:10 am
by Erik Barrett
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Re: Aux trans requirements?

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:51 am
by speedytinc
Erik Barrett wrote:
Tue Apr 12, 2022 2:00 am
All of those things have to be shortened. The tubes I cut and machine the ends square, then weld. On the shafts I cut the front end off and machine the bushing surface and u joint square back on in the right spot.
I would add that I assemble the D/S & tube before welding the tube back together. When cooled its a quick check for any possible misalignment by feeling for any binding.

Re: Aux trans requirements?

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:35 am
by Steve Jelf
While we're at it, what about the radius rods? Does it matter where they're shortened? Near the front? Near the rear? Middle?

Re: Aux trans requirements?

Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:25 am
by MWalker
For the radius rods, I cut them to length by removing part of the front end; the threaded parts are often no good anyway. Then I buy some 9/16" x 6" bolts, cut the heads off, bend them to fit, and weld them into the radius rods.

Re: Aux trans requirements?

Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 3:23 am
by D Stroud
Whatever you do, DO NOT cut and weld the driveshaft! It's not if it will fail, but when it will fail(and it will), then you have no brakes. :shock: Do as was posted, machine either end to fit. Dave