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Ok so I’m mocking up my pieces for my Delivery car project so I can work ahead. I’m trying to get some ideas of how the sill runners are attached to the floor pieces. The sill runner is 1 1/2”wide and my main floor runners are 6 1/2” wide x 1” thick. The floor runners run the entire length from the back of the car to the firewall. The floor runners have a rabbet on each side that is 9/16 x 1/2” to receive the 9/16” floor boards. So how should I attach the sill runner to the floor runner. I thought about screws in the rabbet through the sill runner or screws through the top of the floor runner. Combination of both? Also should I use any glue as well? Thanks
Mike

Mike, you need to give way more info...I've rewooded cars and do not at all recognize what you have there.

What is a Delivery Car? Is it a runabout with a peddler's cab? A "C" cab? Year?

Scott_Conger wrote: ↑

Fri May 06, 2022 5:45 pm

Mike, you need to give way more info...I've rewooded cars and do not at all recognize what you have there.

What is a Delivery Car? Is it a runabout with a peddler's cab? A "C" cab? Year?

Scott this is a 1912 Delivery Car. Yes you could call it a C cab. I’m just looking for ideas on how to fasten the floor pieces to the sill runners that will hold up well. Thanks

Mike, I’d guess you have this drawing but if not I can send to you. Shows pretty good how the sills are attached, similar to all Ts. Let me know, tmorsher@icloud.com

Dropacent wrote: ↑

Fri May 06, 2022 6:11 pm

Mike, I’d guess you have this drawing but if not I can send to you. Shows pretty good how the sills are attached, similar to all Ts. Let me know, tmorsher@icloud.com D3C1C1B8-207C-46A8-A9EC-9566586670CD.jpeg083D63EB-1001-456E-9D2C-FB9AF3A1AB60.jpegBE992345-8F9C-44BF-8DE8-D574E44B4E7E.jpeg

Tim, yes I do have that drawing along with every other drawing of body irons and other pieces that make up the delivery car.
The drawings do not show how the sill runners are attached to the main floor runners. I’m just trying to think of best practices in mating the two pieces of wood together.
Thanks

I’d guess these were used, Mike. They are shown on the print, and the common way bodies were mounted. I’m not sure if 1912 types were made differently. I may have a set if needed .

Tim yes those are the body to frame brackets. They mount the sill runners to the frame. I’m trying to get an idea of best way to attach the two pieces of wood together (the sill runner and floor runner). The sill runner and the floor runner that sits on top of the sill runner. Screws, nails, glue
Thanks

I can suggest methods, but if I wanted to do it right, I’d call a guy in st charles, Illinois and head there with a good camera. He has the only surviving complete one, and another he rebuilt from remnants. Otherwise, just educated guesses and opinions, at least from me. One thing though, NEVER use glue on a wood body.

Tim, I have seen his delivery cars, but at that time I wasn’t thinking of the details like this. Good to know though about the glue. Thanks

If I was just building it, I’d probably hide screws ( at least their heads) in the rabbet. Just a guess, though.

Those are my all time favorite model T’s.

Tim,
I think you’re suggestion might be a winner. I placed some #9 1 1/4 screws in it. I accidentally went a little too far down in my countersink holes. The only thing I don’t like is where that screw is in location to the sill runners. I marked on the sill runner on the left side where that screw location is to where I’d like to see it on the sill runner with a mark on the right side. I may run a few on the inside of the rabbet with a few alternating between them on the top of the floor runner. And no I won’t be using Phillip’s head screws

On my Martin Parry wood cab , they were not trying to hide screws. The holding power was too inmportant. It looks to me that you may have 1/4 to 1/8 inch of wood under that countersink screw in your photo. I agree your pencil mark in the center of your runner is the best place. I also agree with Tim ( no glue). When you get to the body, the mortis joints should be tight and only have one screw in the center. More than that, the joint cannot flex and will probably split the wood at the screws. I look forward to watching your project. I like the wood bodies.

You live pretty close to me. Your welcome to stop in and look at my wood cab. It may give you ideas.

Dallas Landers wrote: ↑

Fri May 06, 2022 8:55 pm

You live pretty close to me. Your welcome to stop in and look at my wood cab. It may give you ideas.

Dallas I just may take you up on that offer!