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1920 T pickup photos

Post by TampaT » Mon May 16, 2022 8:42 am

Hello all,

I finally made my way up north and got a look at the 1920 Model T that I posted about a month ago. Have a look at this amazing car and tell me what you think.

Rich in Tampa
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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by TampaT » Mon May 16, 2022 8:45 am

More photos of the '20 T.
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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by TampaT » Mon May 16, 2022 8:47 am

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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by TampaT » Mon May 16, 2022 8:50 am

Having trouble with the photos, sorry
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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by John Codman » Mon May 16, 2022 9:49 am

Looks very nice. Will definitely need a radiator.

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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by Humblej » Mon May 16, 2022 11:20 am

Please PM me with owners contact information so I can go and buy it.


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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by Scott_Conger » Mon May 16, 2022 11:34 am

Jeff, good luck

this car needs a good home
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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Mon May 16, 2022 12:44 pm

Looks like an awesome, very original car that needs to be preserved very much as-is and enjoyed!

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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by JTT3 » Mon May 16, 2022 12:47 pm

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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by Scott_Conger » Mon May 16, 2022 1:08 pm

John, I'm suspicious that it is a TR4 or 4A
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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by TheSaintDiscJockey » Mon May 16, 2022 4:07 pm

It looks like it's all there. You would be surprised how the cost parts can really add up. I would make sure it's safe to drive, clean it up and have fun with it. Looks like a survivor. Good luck 🤞.


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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by Norman Kling » Mon May 16, 2022 4:19 pm

Only thing I notice not good are the headlight lenses. You won't know for sure how the radiator is good or bad until you fill it and check for leaks and see if it runs too hot. The top looks brand new but it is a little loose. On a warm day, you can remove some tacks and pull it tight and re-tack.
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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by Humblej » Mon May 16, 2022 6:29 pm

STOP THE PRESSES! HERE IS AN UPDATE.
The poster sent me a PM, says he is not interested in this RPU. Says he will give me the contact info for the widdow that owns it...IF I WILL PAY HIM A FINDERS FEE.


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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by TampaT » Mon May 16, 2022 6:48 pm

Seems fair to me. I've put some time and effort into this thing, including a flight from Tampa to Ohio.

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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by JTT3 » Mon May 16, 2022 6:54 pm

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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by Humblej » Mon May 16, 2022 8:19 pm

The OP did contact me as I requested, he may be legit, but my spidee sense is telling me to pass. Anyone interested in this very complete survivor RPU should contact him thru a PM and get details. In his other posting in April he stated the price to him was $1000. I do not know his price, or his finders fee, thats between you, him, and the widow.


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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by Scott_Conger » Mon May 16, 2022 8:34 pm

new poster, TampaT
- who doesn't actually own a T
- who doesn't know a single thing about a T
- who is a car collector but can't remotely judge value
- who could triple his purchase price with a resale but now simply wants to broker a deal...a deal between his good friend's widow and any old schmuck he can reel in
- now, let me take a wild guess: "the finder's fee will go to the widow to help make the house payment"
- huh

Jeff, I think extraordinary caution is called for, as you sense.

If it is legit, it is one of the strangest ways to accomplish a sale that I will have ever heard of. This doesn't also involve a nearly new trailer that eBay is holding in storage, does it?
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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by Steve Jelf » Mon May 16, 2022 11:21 pm

This doesn't also involve a nearly new trailer that eBay is holding in storage, does it?

Also a very nice bridge in new York. :)

As Scott says, it may be legit. But...
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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by Allan » Tue May 17, 2022 12:07 am

I guess you just need to make the finder's fee payable when/if you make the pick up. When it's on your trailer and the widow is happy with the payment, then the finder's fee is due. It is such a great survivor I would pursue it to the end, with the cautions given at front of mind.

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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by Chris Barker » Tue May 17, 2022 3:35 am

I think Scott's right, the red car is a TR4.
But the engine in the pickup appears to be one mounted on a slant. Not TR4.

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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by Mark Gregush » Tue May 17, 2022 4:10 am

I know the voices aren't real but damn they have some good ideas! :shock:

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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by John E. Guitar » Tue May 17, 2022 5:35 am

Richard,

Thank you for posting the photos. It looks like a great car. The only problem I can see is the steering wheel is on the wrong side.

I did notice your TR4 thread on the Triumph forum. Could you buy both cars? I've never met anyone who regretted buying a Model T.

https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/tr4-an ... 1.1893351/

The spotter's fee sounds fair enough but I'm not sure how you would organise that in a way that's secure for both parties.

There's a Model T club in Columbus, Ohio. Could you pass your friend's widow's details to them? They would probably be able to find a good home for the car. The only downside is you probably wouldn't get a finder's fee. I think the main thing is to keep it away from the hot-rodders & puller-aparterers.

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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by Kaiser » Tue May 17, 2022 5:37 am

IF it's legit, it is a steal, if the "finders fee" is not some outrageous amount that has to be paid up front before you get the contact details, I'd go for it.
Work something out about the finders fee, make the deal, tow it home, make it run and enjoy the summer !
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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by Scott_Conger » Tue May 17, 2022 9:57 am

When I croak, if my wife offers any of my cars to a car-buddy and he in turn tries to broker the thing for profit out of my own garage, I will come back to haunt him in unpleasant ways. This an excellent lesson in choosing your friends carefully.
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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by Norman Kling » Tue May 17, 2022 10:17 am

The engine doesn't look like a slant, but was taken from up and over the right side which
causes it to look like a slant. The exhaust manifold looks like a Dalmation. I wonder what causes the coloring?
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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by Harry Lillo » Tue May 17, 2022 10:52 am

Interesting that on the Triumph forum he lists his location as Columbus Ohio, not Tampa.


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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by TampaT » Tue May 17, 2022 11:21 am

It seems clear that I have chosen the wrong forum through which to obtain information on the 1920 Model T. While I don't feel I owe anyone an explanation, I do take umbrage to anyone implying (or outright saying) my intentions are less than honorable. With that said, here's the story:

*When my friend passed away, he had around 12 cars in various storage units, some of which his wife knew about, some she only found out about shortly before he died. He had many car buddies, and so she offered the cars to us guys if we were interested. The only car I was interested in was a '66 LeMans Convertible which I couldn't afford. He was a BMW guy, and I already had a nice 2002, the engine of which he rebuilt for me.

*The Model T was the last car, the others had all been sold. She contacted me several times about the car, but I was barely interested in the car. Still, she wanted one of his buddies to have the car. 3 years have passed now, and she wanted to get the car out of the storage unit, so she called and said she'd sell me the car "cheap", $1000. Naturally that piqued my interest, so I signed up on this forum in order to get some information on the car. The timbre of some of the responses from the beginning was at times condescending, and even implied that I was ripping my friend's widow off by only giving her $1000 for the car.

*I learned through the forum that the car is worth around $5000. Bear in mind that SHE made the $1000 offer to me, because she wanted ME to have the car. Once I learned this, I immediately apprised her of the true value of the car. She thanked me for my honesty. I couldn't buy the car from her for 1K and flip it for 5K. Things stalled there as we both got busy. Then, last week, I made a trip up north and got a look at the car. It is unbelievable. Complete. Astonishingly well preserved. But I still wasn't too interested in owning it, even at $1000. But of course since she now knows the car is worth 5K, the 1K price is off the table, even to me. And, there was another car in the storage unit (not owned by my friend) that I was more interested in.

*I told her I would work the forum to see if I could secure a buyer, and she was very appreciative of my efforts. I sent a PM to Jeff Humble, and requested a 10% finder's fee. Car guys are aware that finder's fees in the classic car world are common, and especially for such a special vehicle. I had some leg time in this deal, and a flight up north. So, I felt that 10% wasn't unreasonable. Her husband was a businessman and avid car guy, so I imagine he'd be appreciative of my efforts too, and wouldn't begrudge the $500.

*Jeff could have....thanked me for the PM, but declined; he could have accepted the 10% fee and now he'd be in first place to buy the car, instead of last place; he could have simply said thanks but no thanks and kept his big mouth shut. But he decided to run me up the pole publicly on the forum, and now everyone is piling on.

*At the airport last night, she texted me to say thanks for all my help. Then the surprise came when she said, by the way, she gives 10% to anyone of his friends who helps sell one of the cars. So, even she understands the value of a broker or third-party help. Now I don't even need to ask for a finder's fee, she's smart enough to already have thought of it.

*Based on the information I gleaned from the forum, I advised her to ask $6000 for the car. But I may advise her to sell the car through Hemmings or BaT or even ebay with a reserve. This car is so amazing it might really do well in an auction format. If that happens, I'll be up there next month rolling the car out and getting good photos and posting the auction, earning my 10%.

*If anyone here would like the information sans finder's fee, it's too late.

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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by JTT3 » Tue May 17, 2022 12:11 pm

Well heck you could have just been straight forward about it all. I wasn’t sure what the angle was but tried to be supportive in helping out through encouragement perhaps a new T guy. Many of us buy items and resale for a profit to pay for our personal hobby interest, there is no shame in that but you chose a different path, all you had to do was be straight about what you were doing.

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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by TampaT » Tue May 17, 2022 12:42 pm

I was trying to screen out the jerks so she wouldn't have to deal with 'em.


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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by JohnM » Tue May 17, 2022 1:57 pm

I have been watching this unfold with amusement. Based on the passionate responses early on, there should be a large caravan of trailers heading that way at this moment. :) The people on this forum are informative and well meaning. At times it can get rather hyperbolic and even out of hand. Such is human nature. In spite of that, you did get your questions answered and your friends wife is no doubt going to get much more for the car because you came here. I hope you consider that a win, and let the rest go.

Maybe you could even mention the MTFCA to the new owner. ;)
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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by TampaT » Tue May 17, 2022 2:17 pm

That will be doubtful, John.

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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by TRDxB2 » Tue May 17, 2022 2:31 pm

TampaT wrote:
Tue May 17, 2022 11:21 am
It seems clear that I have chosen the wrong forum through which to obtain information on the 1920 Model T. While I don't feel I owe anyone an explanation, I do take umbrage to anyone implying (or outright saying) my intentions are less than honorable. With that said, here's the story:

.......
As a new member (Apr 03, 1922) to the Forum you may not have realized the number of times offers have been made on various items "to good to be true" on the Forum by scammers. Unfortunately the pattern of mystery about the Truck and then the decision not to buy but to take a finders fee instead, has created some doubt about the authenticity of the sale conditions. Normally, since no one asked for you to look for such a Truck no one would expect to pay a "finders fee" but rather for the seller to pay a commission to you for finding buyers. You should have realized by the responses to the discussion, many members can not believe that someone would pass up the oppertunity to purchase the truck for $1000.
If your intentions are still "honorable" and want to help the widow sell the truck (and maybe the red car as well) then make the deal of finding a buyer with her. Since you are acquainted there should be no doubt by you in receiving payment from her.
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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Tue May 17, 2022 2:55 pm

TRDxB2 wrote:
Tue May 17, 2022 2:31 pm
TampaT wrote:
Tue May 17, 2022 11:21 am
It seems clear that I have chosen the wrong forum through which to obtain information on the 1920 Model T. While I don't feel I owe anyone an explanation, I do take umbrage to anyone implying (or outright saying) my intentions are less than honorable. With that said, here's the story:

.......
As a new member (Apr 03, 1922) to the Forum you may not have realized the number of times offers have been made on various items "to good to be true" on the Forum by scammers. Unfortunately the pattern of mystery about the Truck and then the decision not to buy but to take a finders fee instead, has created some doubt about the authenticity of the sale conditions. Normally, since no one asked for you to look for such a Truck no one would expect to pay a "finders fee" but rather for the seller to pay a commission to you for finding buyers. You should have realized by the responses to the discussion, many members can not believe that someone would pass up the oppertunity to purchase the truck for $1000.
If your intentions are still "honorable" and want to help the widow sell the truck (and maybe the red car as well) then make the deal of finding a buyer with her. Since you are antiquated there should b no doubt by you in receiving payment from her.
"Since you are antiquated..."

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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Tue May 17, 2022 3:04 pm

TampaT wrote:
Tue May 17, 2022 2:17 pm
That will be doubtful, John.
Sorry that you got your feelings hurt. However, try not to forget, that while you met with some doubters here, on the whole, most of us tried hard to help you out and gave you great & honest advice, which you and your friend's widow will benefit from. Even in the midst of your disdain for us, a word of thanks to those folks would not be out of place. While you may feel unjustly insulted, you have in turn unjustly insulted those who have tried to help you.


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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by Scott_Conger » Tue May 17, 2022 4:21 pm

Rich, from your original post:
I do like the Model T cars, and would enjoy the chance to revive one.
If you are pissed at a few people, why tar the bunch of people who gave nothing but great advice and themselves wondered what they would have to do to own it for $1000, there is frankly, only one person to be upset with...

I reread the original post and only after it got weirder and weirder did anyone like myself start to state openly that the post was, well weird.

This in fact, morphed from a widow wanting to sell you your friend's old car for a remarkable price, to something to the effect that oh, by the way, all of you people who never knew about this car April 1 will now owe me a finder's fee to buy it... That's a mighty big morph. And mighty weird.

with that said, if you manage to get $5K for that car, you will have at least more than earned your fee. Why not start a thread in the "Vehicle" section of the Forum, state that it is for sale, set a price, and collect your fee? Good Luck.
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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by Wayne Sheldon » Tue May 17, 2022 11:39 pm

Quotes;
"I finally made my way up north and got a look at the 1920 Model T that I posted about a month ago. Have a look at this amazing car and tell me what you think."

"*Based on the information I gleaned from the forum, I advised her to ask $6000 for the car. But I may advise her to sell the car through Hemmings or BaT or even ebay with a reserve. This car is so amazing it might really do well in an auction format."

Frankly, it ain't that amazing!

A nice one well worth having? Certainly! One that could be a great fun model T to enjoy for years to come? Absolutely!
And are model T cutdown pickups one of the best antique automobiles to simply have fun with? Of course!

But it is still a cutdown body turned small truck. Some people love them. Others will turn their noses so high they get nose bleeds! (Let them, they deserve those nose bleeds!)

$6000 IS a reasonable price! But not that great a bargain. I have seen two other cutdown model T pickups for sale around $6000 in the past thirty days! And one of them is nicer than this one looks.

If you go, and help move it and prepare it, photograph it and help with listings and showings? You will earn that ten percent.

Good luck.

I do hope the little truck finds a home that will appreciate and enjoy it!

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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by Humblej » Wed May 18, 2022 5:24 am

Wayne, not a cut down body, it is a nice rust free runabout with the turtledeck removed and a nice period correct pick up box added. It is a nice car well worth 4-6K. Just not offered for sale for the 1K originally mentioned back in April, or I would own it today. Appears the encouragement and advice we gave him in April was not for him to buy it but for us to appraise it. Not that unusual for a new poster asking "should I buy it", or "what have I got" kind of first time posting. Our collective encouragement and enthusiasim have once again been misunderstood and ultimatly taken as hostile. Hope it works out for the widow and someone gets a nice car at a fair price.


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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by Wayne Sheldon » Wed May 18, 2022 5:59 am

You are right. I had noticed it was a runabout. That does make it a bit better. I look at so many pictures of cars for sale these days I sometimes forget what one I am looking at!
A lot of people still don't really respect the pre-factory pickups. Personally, and like a lot of people here? I think they are great!
I hope it gets a good home and enjoyed for years to come.


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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by JohnM » Wed May 18, 2022 7:49 pm

TampaT wrote:
Tue May 17, 2022 2:17 pm
That will be doubtful, John.
Sorry to hear that. Good luck on eBay. I don't think you will find the interactions with buyers there as open and frank, but you will have to pay a fee for the privilege.


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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by modeltspaz » Thu May 19, 2022 12:00 am

I believe that we may have heard the last from TampaT on this forum.
He's, most likely, gone the way of the likes of "Michael Doctors", "Hurk", and the gentleman that was attempting to sell the cars for his sick, elderly mother to raise money to donate to the church. This is for those of us who have been around on the several iterations of this forum to remember the above personalities.

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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by TXGOAT2 » Thu May 19, 2022 9:43 am

Too many angles. I'd pay the lady a fair price, as far as one can be determined for an inactive antique vehicle, then I'd do as I pleased with the vehicle, which, in my case, would be to get it in running order and enjoy driving it.


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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by TampaT » Thu May 19, 2022 10:35 pm

Spaz: I'm not gone. And, there are no "angles".

Sorry you guys seemed confounded by my posts. I was offered a car, and came to this site to learn about it. I appreciated the positive input.

Once I had a chance to see the car, I posted photos to further get your input as to: what is it, what's a fair price I should pay, can I get parts, etc etc.

I decided the car wasn't for me, so responded to Jeff's PM. Jeff would probably be buying the car as we speak, but instead he ran me up the pole for asking for a finder's fee (it's an actual thing) and everyone piled on. Then some super jerk, JTT3, somehow outed the widow's contact info on the thread, and both she and I were mortified that someone would be so jerky (I say jerky because the more apt epithets aren't allowed on this site). The site administrator took that info down, as it was an invasion of my friend's privacy.

Scott Conger decided to concoct a scenario where I can't be trusted because I'm a car guy who doesn't know the value of 100-year-old cars.

Then one jerk in Canada, Harry Lillo, thinks he's uncovered some big subterfuge by figuring out that I got on a Triumph forum to learn about the other car that was in the storage unit. OK OK, he figured out my scheme....look at cars, get on forums, learn about them, decide if I want to buy them. You caught me.

I am a member of many car forums....C-body Chryslers, BMW 2002, MGB, Riviera etc. Check them out, those guys are really nice.


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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by modeltspaz » Thu May 19, 2022 10:45 pm

I stand corrected. My sincere apologies to you sir. I was just making a (very wrong) judgment call using my past experience with this forum.
I've been on it since 2000, and I've seen some pretty bitter arguments. I'm embarrassed that I allowed myself to get involved with this one.
Best of luck to you and your friend that owns the pickup. It is a very nice vehicle.

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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by JTT3 » Thu May 19, 2022 11:07 pm

Richard, you are trying to blame someone else for scheme. You were dishonest and condescending to me & others who felt like you were being very misleading. The picture was not of the windows contact info but of the shop’s information publicly available. You being the ahrborture of truth were extremely dishonest about that little fact. But that’s you.
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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by TampaT » Sat May 21, 2022 9:24 pm

Yes, JT, and you're the DB who blew up the photo, posted the google earth location, along with the shop's contact info. Don't blame me for your egregious display of bad form.


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Re: 1920 T pickup photos

Post by Jerry VanOoteghem » Sun May 22, 2022 7:33 am

JTT3 wrote:
Thu May 19, 2022 11:07 pm
Richard you have to look no further on who outed your deal than you. You did post this picture after all didn’t you?
That's actually kind of creepy John... Just sayin'

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