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Mother in Law Seat Strap and button

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:11 am
by Tbird
So I'm looking for what was used on the Mother in law seat strap button to hold the seat cushion down. It should be just a simple piece of leather that fastens to the front of the seat with a button snap? Anyone have a close up picture of what this looks like or what they used on theirs? I heard the original buttons are impossible to find. Thanks Mike
Here is what I'm referring to
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Re: Mother in Law Seat Strap and button

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 12:13 pm
by DanTreace
This is original 1912 mother ‘n law seat showing the leather strap, the male fitting seems shiny like brass, can’t see the female but could be either a glove snap fastener or a buggy loop type. A brass Murphy type common sense fastener would be period too. Certainly not a snap lift the dot, those were avail around 1920 or so.

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Glove type
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Buggy type
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Re: Mother in Law Seat Strap and button

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 12:28 pm
by DanTreace
Read a bit more in Gail Rodda's 1909 Vol. 3 book. Shows some rear door pocket(thick leather door flap) fasteners used in the early T's so, perhaps the fitting to the leather strap is a heavy duty snap. Gail called these Burco Fastener.

Restoration Specialites shows these in their catalog, along with the later Anzo type too.

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Re: Mother in Law Seat Strap and button

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 1:30 pm
by Tbird
Here’s another picture of what I’m looking for
This bottom/snap was used on the delivery car as well
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Re: Mother in Law Seat Strap and button

Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2022 1:29 am
by KWTownsend
Mike-
The "snap" more than likely would have been an Anzo fastener. It is the same type of fastener that was used on the outer flap of the edge of tops that was used to attach the side curtains on early cars.

Here is how the Anze fastener works on 1911 side curtains:
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Here is a 1911 top and the side curtain "flap"

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Here is a side curtain panel in place. Notice there is just a "hole" in the side curtain.
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The flap is pulled down and the side curtain is sandwiched between the flap and the bows. The Anzo fastener "snaps" then into place.

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A modern "snap" would probably suffice and the heads are the same size as Anzo.
A Burco, Murphy Fastener, or other common sense fastener could also have be used for this application.

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Keith