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what have you done with your model T in August

Post by ironhorse » Tue Aug 02, 2022 7:30 pm

Pressured washed the frame got 99&44/100% of the red clay off
as far as I can tell this is a piece of copper tubing used as a shim for worn brake pivots.
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same for other side
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this area seems to be bent
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better view
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well as straight as I could get it.
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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by Allan » Wed Aug 03, 2022 3:59 am

I have been working with my cousin to get his utility registered for road use so he can do the Dubbo national rally at the end of September. She now runs and drives, but we discovered a small leak in the radiator, so that is off again. We need a 26-7 wire wheel front hub as one of his is cracked around the mounting flange. We are waiting on a set of new front wheel bearings, so we have a bit of time up our sleeves

Another car is in a million bits for a repaint and the fitting of a starter motor. This one is a real race against time. The moral of this story is don't store your car in an unvented container if you don't want the paint to blister and the top to go all mouldy.

I think my car is ready.

My son needs to get into changing the bands on my tourer before he is ready. I can probably get the hogshead off and reline the bands, but I'll need his muscle to put it back together. This is the car we have fitted with two child restraint seats in the back, as required by law these days.

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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by A Whiteman » Wed Aug 03, 2022 6:27 am

Charged the battery again - thinking of summer coming in a few months ;-)


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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by Rich in Colorado » Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:59 am

Replacing the original Valves and Pistons in my 1922 Center Door. Someone did a valve job in the past and didn't do a very good job. Aluminum pistons while I'm doing the valve job. Modern type valves with adjustable lifters. Have to get it running good to take it to the Old Car Festival!

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Also got my 1923 Touring car back from the painter. Pretty pleased with thejob!

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Busy month for me getting all of this put back together.

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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by DHort » Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:44 am

Rich,

That looks like about a 6 day journey to the Old Car Festival. Don't want to stress those new parts too much.

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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by Craig Leach » Wed Aug 03, 2022 8:53 pm

Finally got the Warford that Hank welded up for me years ago put together. ( does nice work doesn't he) It's a PA. case with NY gears & shifter and nothing fit easy.
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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by Mark Nunn » Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:45 pm

Not only are my fan hub's bushings shot, it's worn in the center about .090". No wonder my fan belt would not track right.
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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by Rich in Colorado » Thu Aug 04, 2022 3:36 pm

DHort wrote:
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Rich,

That looks like about a 6 day journey to the Old Car Festival. Don't want to stress those new parts too much.
Dave,

Had to laugh about your comment. The center door will be trailered out. I would like to stay married. :lol:

I did drive the ‘56 Tbird out to Dearborn for Fords 100th birthday party in 2003. But with air conditioning!

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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by DHort » Thu Aug 04, 2022 10:54 pm

Rich

Your wife won't let you drive by yourself, or she wants to be with?

I drove mine from Milwaukee to Detroit and hope to do it again this year.

Steve Jelf is driving again from Kansas.

Anyone else want to try the drive from your house?


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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by Norman Kling » Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:17 pm

Spent about 4 hours today with the 22 Runabout at our local museum. It is in an old house which was owned by the first doctor in town about 1896. She was also a woman doctor which was very unusual in those days. About 20 of her descendants and their spouses were here, because one of the family had died and the ashes have been placed in our local Cemetery. The family came from all over the United States and had a reunion at the museum today and will have a memorial at the church and Cemetery tomorrow. We also have a buggy which we have restored. It is a "Doctors" buggy made to be pulled by one horse. I got to show some old farm equipment and the two vehicles Other docents were in the house and the house next door. No AC and it was almost 90 degrees today. I did get a free lunch out of it.
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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by Art M » Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:04 am

It's not what I did, it's what I am planning to do.

My 23 touring will be 100 years old on September 1 of this year. No, the serial number has not been restumped. On this day I am planning to drive my car 100 miles. This was my mother's birthday. She turned 14 in 1922, so maybe I will drive 114 miles. I am sure my friend, Tim Wrenn, and possibly others will join me.


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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by TXGOAT2 » Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:47 pm

Wore the rear tires out. Left side is nearly slick, and the right side is showing cord all around. Front tires show very little wear since I got the car. It handles and drives very well. 4.40/4.50 X 21 Lucas. No cracking evident. No flats.


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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by Art M » Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:36 pm

Pat,
Are the front and rear tires the same age. It's incredible if they are.
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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by Chris Instness » Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:45 pm

Attended a multi-day tour with the Horseless Carriage Club.
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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by TXGOAT2 » Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:02 pm

Re: Tires: I don't know how old they are. I've had them a year and half. The car came with 4 tires and a spare of a different brand, and 2 extra matching casings which I'm guessing came off the the car with about 1/2 the tread remaining. The front tires looked a little fresher than the rear, and had more tread. The right rear had the most wear initially, and the rear tires each had about half the tread remaining. The front ones had nearly new tread. I've probably driven the car about 10,000 miles. I've driven a lot at 40+ MPH, and I suspect that takes a toll on the rear tires. The front tires are giving excellent wear. I'm going to mount the spare casings on the rear using the same tubes and keep on driving. Maybe next year I can get a new full set.


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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by Bryce S. » Sun Aug 07, 2022 5:00 pm

Just got a bulk order of parts in and now am coming up with a choke rod for the U&J so I don't have to have the wife hold the lever by hand every time we go to use it. She sure is supportive of the cause.

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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by Steve Jelf » Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:37 am

Today I finished up the spark plug restoration project I've been working on lately.

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One set will go in the car and the rest will ride along as spares. I haven't decided yet which ones I'll use first. I'll test them all one more time before I put them away.
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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by ironhorse » Mon Aug 08, 2022 11:56 am

The fuel bulb (Potato) fuel shut off handle wouldn't budge so I let it soak for 48 hours in lacquer thinner and tranny fluid. shut off handle still wouldn't budge so I removed the cotter pin, spring and washers gave it several taps with a very small hammer and it came out along with a lot of gunk. took the fuel screen out this is what it looks like after swishing around in parts cleaner.
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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by Steve Jelf » Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:17 pm

Looks like rust in that screen. Dry the parts cleaner and try 24 hours of Evaporust. If that doesn't do it, try 24 hours of CLR. If that doesn't do it, buy some brass cloth and solder in a new screen. Solder will go where there is flux, so be careful.
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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by AndreFordT » Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:22 pm

In January 2022 a lowered junk frame followed me home.
206 hours elbow grease and a lot of parts I arrived to start it up for the first time yesterday.
Still a long way to go to build a nice speedster with it.

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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by ironhorse » Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:45 am

looks like it is coming along nicely Andre,Good Job. I have been taking advantage of my wife being in a Skilled Nursing Facility to get some work done on the 25. This is what I found on the front fender supports
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We'll go in for a better look
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the drivers side fender support bolt was loose causing all of that wear
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passenger side wasn't too bad
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a little welding
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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by TXGOAT2 » Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:18 am

Just about every screw and bolt on a Model T needs tightening from time to time. The body to frame bolts like to loosen on cars that are driven. They do not need to be super tight, but snugging them up once in a while may get rid of some rattles, squeaks, and bumps. The bolts holding the running board brackets to the frame and the running board to bracket bolts can loosen and make a lot of racket.


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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by Gracie'sDad » Tue Aug 09, 2022 11:24 am

I'm tired of messing with my generator. So I've done something I swore I would never do, I replaced it with an alternator. I don't know what my hang up has been. I have disk brakes, a dip stick and a Scat crank, so why the problem with modernizing the charging system? Are turn signals next?


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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by TXGOAT2 » Tue Aug 09, 2022 11:38 am

Did you choose a 6V or 12 V alternator?


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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by Norman Kling » Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:27 am

I pulled off the head of my 26 Touring. A couple months ago we went on a tour about 150 miles and it ran fine until about a mile before I got home. At that time as I was going up the last hill toward home it was overheating. I had about a mile to go and thought I could get home, but it started to seize up and I quickly pulled off the road and coasted to a stop on the shoulder. Suddenly there was an explosion and steam was coming out. First I thought it was on fire, but was just steam. So I started walking home and a friend saw me and picked me up. I got our other car and 3 gallons of water. When we got back to the T, I turned the crank and it turned over. Then I put my hand on top of the engine and it was still pretty hot so I told Dolores, my wife she could take the car and go home and if I didn't come by 5:00 PM to come looking for me. I waited about 1/2 hour more and then poured in the water. It started right up and I drove it home. Then the quest for a head gasket began. A friend in the club loaned me one. So this week I pulled off the head. The small steam vent had blown out the head gasket in the corner behind the exhaust manifold. Part of the gasket was missing. Same place it happened before, about 4 years ago. At that time I had the head resurfaced. Well I started to measure the bolts by turning them into the block and sure enough the last bolt in the center, next to the firewall was not going down all the way. Just about 1/32 inch too tall. Then I remembered many years ago, I had broken off that bolt and placed a heli coil. I had not drilled down quite far enough because I didn't want to drill into the water jacket. Re-surfacing the head also took off a bit more clearance. So when I had torqued the head, it appeared tight with the torque wrench but was actually not pulling down the head completely at that location. As you will notice by looking at your head or a head gasket, that steam vent is very close to the edge of the block and head, and the bolts are about 2 inches in right angle position, leaving that point and also the one in front corner most likely to blow out. So I fitted a washer under the head of that bolt and placed a new gasket putting a bit of heat resisting permatex around each of those two steam vents both sides of the gasket. Then I torqued it down and filled with water. Started up the engine and it sounds fine. Warmed it up and then torqued it again. 50 ft lbs all around. No leak there, however I noticed a bit of a seep in the area of the rear freeze plug. So my next job is to replace the freeze plugs. I hope it is just the plug and the block is not cracked. I don't know why it would crack in that location.
I went into this much detail, because it might help someone else trouble shoot a problem, or prevent one from happening to their car.
One other thing. There is a slight scoring in one place around number 2. I think the aluminum piston had expanded a bit and was just beginning to seize. So the piston does not rock in the cylinder and it does not knock, but it might burn a little oil after this.
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Post by TXGOAT2 » Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:56 am

Good and logical detective work. I doubt a crack would occur at that location. A little extra expansion from the overheating may have loosened some rust or unseated the freeze plug. The apparent scoring could be aluminum rubbed off the piston. I doubt that would do any harm. If it's actual scoring, it may not cause any issues. The top ring may have got skinned up a little. I'd keep an eye on everything, and run the car through a break-in cycle and take it easy for a couple of hundred miles. That might help "wear in" any damaged parts. Most engines with miles on them get some benfit from normal light carbon and varnish deposits. Overheating may have removed these deposits on the pistons and around the ring land areas. Some moderate driving will re-establish them in a few hundred miles.


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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by Norman Kling » Wed Aug 10, 2022 4:25 pm

Both the front and the rear plugs are leaking. I haven't replaced them for about 25 years. I pulled off the manifolds and also found one of the glands mission. I felt around and don't find in either the manifold nor the block, so it must have been lost last time the manifold was off. Also found one of the crush washers was a bit distorted, and a gland would not have fit in it in that condition. This might also explain and correct a problem with rough idle. It ran fine at speeds, but no matter how I adjusted the spark or mixture needle, I couldn't get it to idle quite smoothly. The cylinder 2 didn't have as much carbon as the others. So I think that must have been the front input port drawing in a bit of air causing the front 2 cylinders to run just a little lean. Anyway, I need to order some gasket rings and a set of freeze plugs. I actually have a set of plugs, but want to have some spare for a later date just in case. I found a set of 4 crush rings and think that I had used 2 a few years ago when I replaced the input manifold. I didn't remove the exhaust at that time, so that is probably when the gland was lost. Interesting that it was in there even though the gland was missing. But it was distorted, so would have leaked.
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Post by RajoRacer » Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:31 pm

Norm - I have found bent up steel rings in the muffler before !

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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by TWrenn » Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:49 pm

Me & 2 other club members had our cars at the county fair tonite. The only 3 T's there. Doug's newly acquired '23 Touring, Jim's dog Champ let him take Champ's '26 Runabout, and my '11 Torpedo. Champ got most of the attention as usual. :lol:
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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by ironhorse » Thu Aug 11, 2022 12:38 pm

Steve the CLR worked good on the fuel screen
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So it is back together now and it doesn't leak
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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by Will_Vanderburg » Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:15 pm

Steve Jelf wrote:
Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:37 am
Today I finished up the spark plug restoration project I've been working on lately.


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One set will go in the car and the rest will ride along as spares. I haven't decided yet which ones I'll use first. I'll test them all one more time before I put them away.

I have a set of Wards and never was able to get them to operate correctly in my car
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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by Steve Jelf » Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:37 pm

I have a set of Wards and never was able to get them to operate correctly in my car.

Did they test OK?
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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by Will_Vanderburg » Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:44 pm

Steve Jelf wrote:
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I have a set of Wards and never was able to get them to operate correctly in my car.

Did they test OK?
The car ran but ran poorly regardless of what gap I chose. Had the same problem with Motorcraft F-11’s

I didn’t take them to a shop with a plug tester
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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by Rich Eagle » Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:30 pm

Added oil to the transmission and the oiler.
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OK, not a model T. :D The Buick uses heavy oil in the transmission but the bands run without. The brass plug in the center of the left picture is where it goes in.
The oiler sits above the engine and disperses oil to 7 locations. A bit of a contrast to the Ts.
Back to the model T talk.
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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by Erik Johnson » Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:16 pm

Rich:

My dad's 1910 IHC Model F roadster also has a Hill Precision Oiler (The Shooting Oiler) but not the same model as the one on your Buick.

It operates via a lever on the right side of the unit that is driven by an eccentric around the same shaft that drives the magneto (second photo).
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Post by frontyboy » Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:39 pm

My 1914 Roadster has been needed some love, so, I restored a set of 30x3-1/2 Budd wire wheels. I respoked 5 wheels. I was able to chuck the wheels up in my lathe by using a front hub and removing my gap bed. I was able to tune the spokes and spin the wheels. I used dial indicators and got each wheel within .030 both side to side and outside diameter.

Next was doing some wiring for the battery to power the starter. That was rather easy and placing the battery in the turtle deck worked out well.

When to start the motor to test all connections and BANG! the starter jamed and bound up. Removed the bendix cover found the drive had broke. So I removed the drive and will replace it with a new one tomorrow.

On the to do list is replacing the carburetor with a straight thru picked up at Tulare swap meet.

Finally is to replace the coil box and add my Bittner electronic ignition. Now before everyone goes up side down, the problem with Bittners system was the rotor in the timer. A well seasoned speedster guy has manufactured a rotor made from hi temperature material which won't melt, Walt Berdan is the guru.

I forgot to mention I also added a Livingston vee radiator and all brass EandJ lights. Yes I know they are incorrect but I like the look.

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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by ironhorse » Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:52 am

frontyboy wrote:
Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:39 pm


I forgot to mention I also added a Livingston vee radiator and all brass EandJ lights. Yes I know they are incorrect but I like the look.

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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by NY John T » Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:34 pm

After getting stuck two weeks ago downtown I was unable to move the car in low gear. I'm new to model T's and this is my first car (a barn find). It was working fine until the last time I drove it. I struggled to get home in high gear and realized I HAD to re-do the band linings. Not knowing if the bands were the detachable kind, I, with the help of my buddy Bob, took off the hogshead. Not a difficult job for two, since I had watched the videos online over and over. The low speed lining was as thin as toilet paper in most spots, but missing in others. I'm cleaning up everything and waiting for the new kevlar linings. Can't wait to get back on the road.
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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by AndreFordT » Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:17 pm

My woody broke down with the Master Coil I installed 10 years ago and run with it for about 10,000 miles.
At that time someone said to take 4 normal coils in the car to change to if the Master Coil fails.
Well, it was a good advice, I needed them yesterday.

I have a few working MC's left, I will maybe use one of these in the futur.

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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by Craig Leach » Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:18 am

Andre,
That's about what I started with 15 years ago ( 30 some speedster runs) I have had my Wife, kids, son-in-laws, grandkids & good friends navigating for me. Been some of the best times of my life. Hope I and the T last long enough to get some of the great-grandkids in it.
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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by Dallas Landers » Sun Aug 14, 2022 7:11 pm

1st drive in the 26 for over a month. Breakast in the morning and on to the next town for the steam and gas show.
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Then it was back in the barn. Working out of town has kept the miles down on the T's this summer. Hoping to make one more icecream run with the Amish neighbors this fall.

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Post by JvanMaanen » Sun Aug 14, 2022 7:39 pm

22 Coupe took best of show today in the San Juan Island concourse. Very surprised as there were some gorgeous cars in the show. Win perhaps had something to do with being the oldest car in the show, so correct everything not such a problem although other than gray and black paint car is correct. Not many early cars this year, but lots of variety, including the Friday Harbor Fire Department bringing their restored1923 Cadillac fire engine, the first motorized piece of fire equipment in the county. There was a 55 Jaguar XK140 that won the European division that was unbelievable. About 400 cars entered this year, first time since we had it since 2019. Great weather lots of people, all proceeds to local charity, althogether a great day great cars and a lot of fun.

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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by Rich Eagle » Sun Aug 14, 2022 8:53 pm

Eric and others, this shows the workings of the Hill Precision Oiler.
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I mistakenly called it a Pittsfield. It's one of my favorite mechanisms.
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Post by StevenS » Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:31 pm

A couple of mine decided to show themselves off.


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Post by RGould1910 » Tue Aug 16, 2022 3:35 pm

Finiish work on my 1910 and headed back into storage.
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Post by Steve Jelf » Thu Aug 18, 2022 1:21 am

On Monday I used my home made gauge to set the float level in a Holley G, and today I installed the carb on my runabout and tried it out. It surged and ran rough at first, but smoothed out with adjustment. Oddly, the car ran a little better on BAT than on MAG. I don't know what to make of that.

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Post by JamesD » Thu Aug 18, 2022 7:35 am

Went for a few rides in the country. Lots of flat “T friendly” roads around here.
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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by TXGOAT2 » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:06 am

Ford claimed a T would run best on magneto. Mine certainly does. If yours runs better on battery, it might indicate that you have a poor connection or some other issue in the magneto circuit.

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Post by Steve Jelf » Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:30 am

Ford claimed a T would run best on magneto. Mine certainly does.

Yes, mine always have too, I assume because of its higher voltage to the coils. This anomaly just happened. I'll have to test the mag and check all connections.
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Post by Dallas Landers » Thu Aug 18, 2022 9:54 am

James, that looks like a Rich Eagle painting. Shadows and light play. Love it!!!

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Post by Rich Eagle » Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:35 pm

Thanks for mentioning "Shadows and light" and paintings Dallas.

The front of the top has been separating and lifting on the Coupe. When I built it 10 years ago I didn't expect to drive it this much and used 2x4's from the lumber yard to re-wood it. It was to be yard Art that would run. So I wasn't surprised when a few things loosened up. Actually the body is still quite solid and the doors open and close nicely. Seeing blue sky above the windshield suggested I close the gap before Winter.
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All went well and I believe it will last until I need to replace the top material. It sits outdoors year round so the material will start getting holes in it in half a dozen years or so unless we get big hail. I have tested this top material outdoors on other cars and that's about how long it lasts. It's not pretty but fits the tattered look of the car. I drove some nails into it to hold it straight but they didn't find much solid inside.
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I think it is good to return the profile to the original shape.
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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by Rich P. Bingham » Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:30 pm

At long last I found the time to build a pickup box for Lizzie. Rich's post inspired me to comment on wood. A friend hauled some native poplar logs to a local sawmill, and was kind enough to let me have enough planks for my project. It got me thinking about the wood species used for body work "in the day". I'd reckon the main consideration would have been cost, availability and working characteristics. All three definitely favored poplar for Ford's mass production, but as far as strength to weight and rot resistance goes, I don't think Douglas Fir two by fours are an inferior choice for re-wooding a body. The only drawback I can think of is a bit more difficulty in machining.
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Post by George N Lake Ozark » Sat Aug 20, 2022 1:58 am

Spent the afternoon reassembling my NH carb with new shutoff and new to me larger “B” float.
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Post by bobt » Sat Aug 20, 2022 5:49 am

I bought the same shut off valve and hated it. It worked fine for a short time and then became stiff. Good luck. bobt

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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by CudaMan » Sat Aug 20, 2022 8:00 am

Bobt is correct, that particular shutoff valve does tend to get stiff pretty quickly. It can also leak more than the modern looking ball valves that are available.

I like the look of it though, so once a month I shut the fuel off at the tank, remove and lubricate the carb mounted valve with EZ-turn, and reassemble it. :)

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Post by Steve Jelf » Sat Aug 20, 2022 9:29 am

I hated that valve too, and I took it off and did this:
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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by ironhorse » Sat Aug 20, 2022 2:37 pm

Spent the day (before it got too hot and steamy) replacing spring and perch bushings here are some of the worst
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The 3 on the Left look like someone tried to get them out with a punch, failed then drilled them back out and put the shackles back in
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Ahhh! that looks better. Now when I get my new shackles I'll ream them to the correct size that's enough for today.
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Post by Stryk » Sat Aug 20, 2022 8:05 pm

It's not so much what *I* have done, but I did help Doug put a new flywheel ring gear in mine. Talk about a learning experience! I still need a new battery - had to order one from battery source, because no one around here carries a 6v any more. Looking forward to taking it around the neighborhood again. Two more new tires and I will take it further than that.


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Post by NU2theT » Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:06 am

Picked up my brother-in-law and drove to the Portland Red Cross to donate. This building used to be part of the old Northeast motors that had dealings with Ripley & Fletcher in Paris Maine that has been a Ford dealership on that location since 1909...for all you history buffs :D
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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by DaveBarker » Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:05 pm

1. Got my Speedster inspected (NY)
2. Got the timing adjusted so I can now get her started and advance the timing before she quits on me
3. Took a friend for a ride
4. Went to a local "cruise-in" (the first in four years)
5. Installed LED headlight and tail light bulbs
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Post by Norman Kling » Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:26 pm

Steven, I used to have a 1931 Model A Phaeton. Back in 1972, I sold it for $3000. I was just fishing around. I never thought a Model A would ever sell for that much! No one around here wanted it even though I had a few who looked at it. I put an ad in the "Restorer" and someone came from La Fayette La and took it home in a rental van. He also got a spare engine and a few other parts. That car was our daily driver when we lived in San Diego. We moved to Alpine which was a 30 mile each way commute for me to work, and I decided to get a newer car. I had fender well spares too. I wonder if that's the same car?
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Post by Steve Jelf » Tue Aug 23, 2022 10:56 pm

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Blasted parts for a new spare carrier and a speedometer case, and painted all.
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Post by Dilrod » Wed Aug 24, 2022 10:49 am

Got the '26 coupe back on the road yesterday! I had some issues with the coils and the old timer, so I put in an E-Timer. Performed beautifully! Being a novice Model T driver, not having to adjust the spark let me focus on everything else to keep it going in the right direction.

Still needs some adjustments here and there, but I'm off to a good start.

Now for the rest of the season, the Model T and my '29 Model A will be battling for my soul. One of them has to go in the spring, it'll be a tough choice.

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Post by TheSaintDiscJockey » Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:56 pm

Picked up this '23 TT the beginning of July. Going through it with a fine tooth comb.
A lot of work. A lot of satisfaction.
Keeping Lang's and Snyder's (and our forum members) pretty busy.
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Post by Dallas Landers » Wed Aug 24, 2022 8:58 pm

Kelly and I took 3 of our Amish neighbors and their family for icecream in the TT tonight. 20 people in all. Pleanty of laughter and smiles on the 8 mile run. The kids laugh when the speed sign is flashing 20mph and the speed limit is 35. I measured the bed when we unloaded 18 people and it came up 2 inches. Fun with friends and icecream. A night made for a TT.


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Post by NY John T » Thu Aug 25, 2022 9:57 am

After a very long process, I finally got the new bands with kevlar linings done. It seems that the kevlar linings are much (?) thicker than cotton linings; thus making it more difficult to attach the washers and nuts. I used wire to hold the ears inline (the c shaped tool does not fit with kevlar) and had the wires break several times. luckily nothing dropped into the abyss that I didn't retrieve. I used dental floss to hold the washer and nut and several times the floss broke. Guess it was the cheaper floss that your dentist gives you when getting teeth cleaned. Switched to store bought floss and that worked. But still a task to screw on the nuts especially with big hands. All in a day's work.
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Post by DanTreace » Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:43 am

Fitted the front fenders to the ‘12 project.

The right was sagged about 2” and couldn’t imagine driving with a fender tip down :?

So out with the hot wrench, jack and wood support. Heated red the fender iron and sag gone. Both fenders level as they should be. :D

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Post by George Mills » Thu Aug 25, 2022 12:09 pm

Finally was able to get all of the parts in the same place for my 1915 tool kit project.

Would appreciate if anyone has a ‘15 era duck tool roll to send me the size off it closed before roll up +/-. Thanks



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Post by Rich Eagle » Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:35 pm

Driving the '14 from breakfast a tapping sound came from under the hood. Investigation showed it was the lower pulley pin had slid down the hole. I punched it out and peened and punched enough distortions in it to keep it tight. Then reinstalled it. I'll do a proper fix later but this could be done without removing the radiator.

The next task was to fix the generator. It was only charging intermittently and only when it got warmed up if at all. My first experience with electrical components was tearing apart a friends erector set motor. Simply reassembling it made it work fine. I learned absolutely nothing but it gave me great confidence. I have repeated this with high tensions magnetos, generators and starters. A good cleaning yields a working unit and I don't gain much knowledge. This generator was much the same. Some fuzzy black lint lined the brush holders and housing. A good cleaning and now it works fine. I don't understand the problem here either. If the lint was shorting something out wouldn't it tend to burn something up? Maybe the experts can explain.

While generators were on my mind I looked at the previous generator which died several years ago. A loose brush spring led to the problem of a broken spring post. Cleaning and replacing the holder, the generator motors nicely. But I see sparking inside between the armature commutator and the 4-holed ring that lets the brush plate rotate. I will disassemble it tomorrow and see why the armature it that close.
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Another problem was the door upholstery rubbing the door post and pulling the nails loose. Pulling it away from the door I found glue holding it to the cardboard panel. I soaked some lacquer thinner on the material to loosen it. Then I trimmed about 3/16" of the cardboard away and re-nailed it in place. I see some other areas that need a similar redo. Upholstery is sometimes trial and error and this was error.
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All in all it was a good day at the old car barn.
Rich
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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by Norman Kling » Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:30 pm

Harrison in front right
Harrison in front right
I finally got Harrison (our 26 touring) "Harrison Ford" on his first tour since May when we blew the head gasket. I found the cause of the gasket problem. This is the second time it leaked in the same place, however worse than the last time. Many years ago, I had a problem with the threads in the last bolt at the center of the back of the head. I drilled it out and put in a heli-coil. Apparently my drilling was about 1/32" too shallow The first time it happened, I had the head resurfaced which took a little off the entire head.
This time, I checked all the bolts and they are all fine except that one. So in the past, when I torqued the head, it bottomed out and the wrench read 50 ft lbs, however that was against the block and not against the head. To fix this I would have needed to slide the engine forward and risk destroying the heli-coil. So I put a washer under the head of just this one bolt which allows it to go all the way down without bottoming out. I also smeared some high temperature permatex around the front and back "steam vents" Not around the whole gasket, just the two small areas. I also replaced the freeze plugs with new brass ones also using the permatex. I torqued it three times after heating up the engine. I have a Ford head so it should be torqued hot.
Today we went out on a hot day, toured about 60 miles with the club and even going up some grades. No overheating and no problem today.
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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by Steve Jelf » Fri Aug 26, 2022 12:19 am

I also replaced the freeze plugs with new brass ones also using the permatex.

I found old time original Permatex wasn't up to the job in that application. Ultra Black has been OK so far.
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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by Steve Jelf » Fri Aug 26, 2022 12:34 am

Today I finished up the spare carrier for my 1915. It will hold a front tire and a rear tire. Why not just carry tubes? Because I have had adventures where the tire came off and disappeared. Walking back and forth along the road multiple times was futile. I never found either tire. So I will carry spare tires, not just tubes.

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The carrier has a top part and a bottom part.

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The bottom part is attached to the inboard side of the running board can carrier.

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The top part clamps over the top of the driver's side false door.

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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by DHort » Fri Aug 26, 2022 12:59 pm

Looks like you are ready for OCF. Just pack your bags.

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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by Rich Eagle » Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:17 pm

Yesterday I mentioned "...sparking inside between the armature commutator and the 4-holed ring that lets the brush plate rotate" on the generator. Upon disassembly I could see a ridge worn on the commutator end. Also a bright spot was worn on the ring (see arrow). Thinking the latter was a high spot I tapped it down some. Then I cleaned up the end of the commutator on the lathe. On reassembling I have .025 clearance now. I also installed new bearings on both ends.
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In reworking generators a couple dozen times I don't remember seeing this problem before. The amount of wear shown makes me think the generator was working and the shorting only impaired the function minimally. It did happen close to the third brush.
Again, the working unit hasn't taught me everything I need to know.
I'll settle for two working generators for the time being.
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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by RajoRacer » Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:29 pm

Looking good Rich ! Can't tell from the photos - did you undercut the mica segments a smidge ?


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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by TXGOAT2 » Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:34 pm

I don't see anything to locate the armature precisely fore and aft to prevent it from contacting the ring, unless it is the front bearing against the drive end frame. If that's the case, and the bearing is an annular ball bearing, excess wear could allow the armature to move back too far.


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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by Scott_Conger » Fri Aug 26, 2022 9:40 pm

Rich, You want either this: https://www.mcmaster.com/catalog/128/1445

or this: https://www.mcmaster.com/95601A420/
and maybe this too: https://www.mcmaster.com/90089A420/

to shim out your bearing on the brush end and reduce endplay
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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by Rich Eagle » Fri Aug 26, 2022 10:11 pm

Steve, I used to undercut the mica but haven't in years and they work a long time without.
Pat, the old bearings may have been worn enough to cause the problem.
Scott, I don't see play now. If there is any it is very slight. It motors now without extra sparks. just from the bushes.
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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by jab35 » Sat Aug 27, 2022 1:17 pm

These also work well to control generator armature endplay, https://www.mcmaster.com/washers/disc-s ... pe~finger/ jb


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Re: what have you done with your model T in August

Post by Scott_Conger » Sat Aug 27, 2022 1:56 pm

WOW!!

thank you James...that is what I THOUGHT I copy/pasted and surely I did not! I'm not sure where that link even came from! :lol:
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