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Wonderful! So much going on in the top picture: stopping by the blacksmith shop for some mechanical help, road apples all over the dirt street. Love it!
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Neat photos of how things use to be! Love the two pics of the stripped down T and how it’s set up!! Just a bare bones farm set up that got folks around on.
More than a few T’s ended their days set up like this I bet! Neat
More than a few T’s ended their days set up like this I bet! Neat
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What is on top of the Crescent City Garage?
The inevitable often happens.
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Interesting how one's attitude shows through in a picture! It makes one wonder just what was going on, or if the person just didn't want the picture taken?
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Tha is a nice 1909 roadster. Three tier E&J lights. Also a nice picture of the "Tree lover" the girl looking at her favorite tree.
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I was wondering about that girl, too. Could she be a Druid? She appears to be looking very intently at the tree. Perhaps there is a kitten stuck to it.
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Interesting what is on the top of the Crescent city Garage. At first I was thinking it was for the phone or light wires since it’s inline with phone or light wire pole but don’t think so!,,,.???
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Crescent Garage. First series of solar collectors
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Some really interesting stuff! Thank you Tom R!
The farmer's speedster (pickup) is interesting. The firewall appears to be steel, and I think low style. Looking at the shadows on the frame, the relative lengths of the unused body mount bracket versus the edge of the firewall shadows would seem to confirm that it is the narrow/low firewall. The front wheels on the other hand, are non-demountable round felloe type! Which would indicate something much earlier than the firewall would suggest! Zooming in close, it also appears to have brass era firewall brackets bolted onto the top of the frame? The holes for the later style firewall brackets are however very clearly there!
In my pile of T pieces, I had not one, but two frames that had been punched for both style firewall brackets! One of them also had holes for a factory style battery box, however, careful measurements showed they were NOT in the factory locations! Apparently, the (missing) battery box had been added at a later date? The frames both appeared to have never used the holes on the side of the frame for firewall brackets, while the top rail holes had clearly had bolts and stresses for many years in their distant past (even slight wear where the footprint of the early bracket was held on). So, my conclusion was that Ford must have punched the frames for both style firewall brackets for some short time. Most likely late 1915 and early 1916 since early 1916 is when the first attempt was made to change the firewall brackets. The later style ones started showing up sometime in the 1916 model year, with hasty substitutes used top mounted in early 1916.
The engine block has a casting date on it, however resolution isn't good enough to read it. The serial number embossment is also hard to tell, however, I think it is the larger size begun for 1916 (I have an October 1915 cast block with the larger pad, and a December 1915 cast block with the earlier smaller pad! Crossover time!). Can't tell for sure if this is the earliest larger style? Or a later larger style? That embossment changed in detail several times.
So, my guess would be that it is likely a late 1915 or 1916 chassis with a later firewall and radiator cobbled on. Without spacers for the firewall, the steering column likely doesn't fit quite right. "But it don't hurt the runnin' of it none!"
Note the 1913/'14 with the after-market cowl cover and windshield on it. Also notice the cowl lamp and Firestone type demountable wheels.
Have to love the fancy speedster! Must be an after-market dealer's showpiece?
The center-door just below the "farmer's speedster" has oil sidelamps ! So a 1917/'18/very early 1919.
I love the gray 1909 roadster! It has the two bolt front body bracket, and three bolt center body bracket. The picture is oddly distorted. Often a lens problem in early photographs. I wonder if it might have been cut out of a much larger photo? However numerous minor flaws in the image look more like the cheaper films of the era, and not like the larger format glass plates or other methods used for larger photos. The fellow's photo in the corner also raised some questions"? Like is he connected with the car or the story behind it? The writing on the windshield indicates the car might have been a prize in a local contest?
The farmer's speedster (pickup) is interesting. The firewall appears to be steel, and I think low style. Looking at the shadows on the frame, the relative lengths of the unused body mount bracket versus the edge of the firewall shadows would seem to confirm that it is the narrow/low firewall. The front wheels on the other hand, are non-demountable round felloe type! Which would indicate something much earlier than the firewall would suggest! Zooming in close, it also appears to have brass era firewall brackets bolted onto the top of the frame? The holes for the later style firewall brackets are however very clearly there!
In my pile of T pieces, I had not one, but two frames that had been punched for both style firewall brackets! One of them also had holes for a factory style battery box, however, careful measurements showed they were NOT in the factory locations! Apparently, the (missing) battery box had been added at a later date? The frames both appeared to have never used the holes on the side of the frame for firewall brackets, while the top rail holes had clearly had bolts and stresses for many years in their distant past (even slight wear where the footprint of the early bracket was held on). So, my conclusion was that Ford must have punched the frames for both style firewall brackets for some short time. Most likely late 1915 and early 1916 since early 1916 is when the first attempt was made to change the firewall brackets. The later style ones started showing up sometime in the 1916 model year, with hasty substitutes used top mounted in early 1916.
The engine block has a casting date on it, however resolution isn't good enough to read it. The serial number embossment is also hard to tell, however, I think it is the larger size begun for 1916 (I have an October 1915 cast block with the larger pad, and a December 1915 cast block with the earlier smaller pad! Crossover time!). Can't tell for sure if this is the earliest larger style? Or a later larger style? That embossment changed in detail several times.
So, my guess would be that it is likely a late 1915 or 1916 chassis with a later firewall and radiator cobbled on. Without spacers for the firewall, the steering column likely doesn't fit quite right. "But it don't hurt the runnin' of it none!"
Note the 1913/'14 with the after-market cowl cover and windshield on it. Also notice the cowl lamp and Firestone type demountable wheels.
Have to love the fancy speedster! Must be an after-market dealer's showpiece?
The center-door just below the "farmer's speedster" has oil sidelamps ! So a 1917/'18/very early 1919.
I love the gray 1909 roadster! It has the two bolt front body bracket, and three bolt center body bracket. The picture is oddly distorted. Often a lens problem in early photographs. I wonder if it might have been cut out of a much larger photo? However numerous minor flaws in the image look more like the cheaper films of the era, and not like the larger format glass plates or other methods used for larger photos. The fellow's photo in the corner also raised some questions"? Like is he connected with the car or the story behind it? The writing on the windshield indicates the car might have been a prize in a local contest?
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Crescent Garage
Note the radiator on the T. Guy on other side of the street, get out and get under.
Wonder if the cross boards are for an early wireless antenna?
Note the radiator on the T. Guy on other side of the street, get out and get under.
Wonder if the cross boards are for an early wireless antenna?
I know the voices aren't real but damn they have some good ideas!
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Mark G said;
"Wonder if the cross boards are for an early wireless antenna?"
I was wondering the same thing!
There is a 1915/'16 Ford with a fancy (Livingston?) radiator in the street, and the bigger closer car appears to be a few years earlier. The car across the street also appears to be mid 1910s. So, likely, the photo will be in the mid to late 1910s.
Depending upon which history you read, the first commercial radio broadcasts were in either 1919 or 1921 (a difference of opinion on what constitutes a "commercial" broadcast). Battery/tube radios were being sold by 1919, and kits to build them were becoming popular with people that had money and time to spare! It was the coming thing, although few people were seriously involved that early. What effectively later became ham radio (frequencies used changed) was happening by 1915. Broadcasts were very low power by the standards of even fifteen years later, and antennas needed to be fairly large to receive anything more than a few miles away.
A radio antenna is a possibility. And if it is, it would be one of the earliest photos I have seen of an unofficial experimental site?
Thank you Mark G for adding to the discussion!
"Wonder if the cross boards are for an early wireless antenna?"
I was wondering the same thing!
There is a 1915/'16 Ford with a fancy (Livingston?) radiator in the street, and the bigger closer car appears to be a few years earlier. The car across the street also appears to be mid 1910s. So, likely, the photo will be in the mid to late 1910s.
Depending upon which history you read, the first commercial radio broadcasts were in either 1919 or 1921 (a difference of opinion on what constitutes a "commercial" broadcast). Battery/tube radios were being sold by 1919, and kits to build them were becoming popular with people that had money and time to spare! It was the coming thing, although few people were seriously involved that early. What effectively later became ham radio (frequencies used changed) was happening by 1915. Broadcasts were very low power by the standards of even fifteen years later, and antennas needed to be fairly large to receive anything more than a few miles away.
A radio antenna is a possibility. And if it is, it would be one of the earliest photos I have seen of an unofficial experimental site?
Thank you Mark G for adding to the discussion!
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It could be for an aerial, or maybe a makeshift support for some kind of temporary holiday decorations I don't think it would support a sign, or much of anything else, for very long before wind tore it up. Radio aerials were often strung above the ridgepole on short uprights at each end. A 50 foot stretch of wire made a good AM radio antenna. A shortwave receiver or amateur experimenter's outfit could use shorter lengths, or a combination of lengths to cover a broader frequency range.
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The thought of a radio aerial occurred to me too. If that's what it is, I bet it's the only one around for many, many miles. I would guess from the cars that the photo is no later than 1915, probably earlier. The first broadcast by a commercial station is generally considered to be reporting of election results in November of 1920 by KDKA in Pittsburgh. That kicked off the radio craze of the twenties. Before that the very limited commercial radio that existed was telegraphy. While Lee Deforest was broadcasting voice and music in 1910, that remained experimental. When 21-year-old David Sarnoff and assistants relayed reports of the Titanic sinking in 1912 the radio messages they received from the Carpathia were in Morse code. It was WWI that really spread radio technology across the country, not during the war, but as young veterans who had learned it during their military service pursued it in civilian life in the late teens. It turned out they were laying the ground work for Sam 'n' Henry, the Happiness Boys, and Grand Ole Opry.
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Billy Jones and Ernie Hare were GREAT! Masters of song and comedy.