Front Axel
Forum rules
If you need help logging in, or have question about how something works, use the Support forum located here Support Forum
Complete set of Forum Rules Forum Rules
If you need help logging in, or have question about how something works, use the Support forum located here Support Forum
Complete set of Forum Rules Forum Rules
-
Topic author - Posts: 390
- Joined: Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:36 pm
- First Name: Tim
- Last Name: Foye
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 27 Fordor, 15 speedster (2), 23 touring, 26 fordor, 25 TT
- Location: Middleborough MA
- MTFCA Number: 292
- MTFCA Life Member: YES
- MTFCI Number: 106
- Board Member Since: 1999
- Contact:
Front Axel
So a few years back I had a local guy come here looking for a T front axle. Said he is going to stretch/bend it for lowering. I asked him to do one for me too. He agreed and I sent him off with two axles and some other stuff to even out the deal. "be back in a week with your part". He took the payment and the axles and vanished. Fast forward a few years and enter my current project, building a brass speedster on camera to pass along what I have learned over the last 50 years. Now I really want that lowered axle I paid for. Does anyone know someone in the "south of boston" area that has the ability to stretch one of these? I'd like to film the process as part of my build series if posssible.
- Attachments
-
- 1909-27 Model T Ford Axle.jpg (19.45 KiB) Viewed 2282 times
Gen III Antique Auto - we do Model T Ford Restorations
You can have everything in life you want, if you will just help other people get what they want -Zig Z.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeROBg ... pB-KImprjw
You can have everything in life you want, if you will just help other people get what they want -Zig Z.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeROBg ... pB-KImprjw
-
- Posts: 4308
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:18 pm
- First Name: Steve
- Last Name: Tomaso
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1914 Touring, 1919 Centerdoor, 1924 TT C-Cab Express, 1925 Racer
- Location: Longbranch, WA
- MTFCA Number: 14972
- MTFCI Number: 15411
- Board Member Since: 2001
Re: Front Axel
Sid's in Oklahoma is one of the only outfits I know of bending axles.
-
- Posts: 777
- Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:04 pm
- First Name: Bob
- Last Name: Middleton
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 18 roadster 1810 brand X
- Location: Western nv
Re: Front Axel
Met Sid couple times great guy excellent work
3" drop and stretched back to standard king pin to king pin
3" drop and stretched back to standard king pin to king pin
-
- Posts: 543
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:40 pm
- First Name: Andrew
- Last Name: Blaydon
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1915 Cut-down touring
- Location: Middletown
- Board Member Since: 2018
Re: Front Axel
Kohler Kustoms in Pennsylvania does. I've met Andy via the central PA hotrod scene and he's a rodder thru and thru and a nice guy. He advertises dropping axles on his website but me and another buddy were not certain he does T axles, so obviously a call will be worth it. Not totally near Boston, but not halfway across the country either.
[/url]Https://kohlerkustom.com/services[/url]
[/url]Https://kohlerkustom.com/services[/url]
-
- Posts: 543
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:40 pm
- First Name: Andrew
- Last Name: Blaydon
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1915 Cut-down touring
- Location: Middletown
- Board Member Since: 2018
Re: Front Axel
Here's an article in online Motortrend about Andy's technique. Seems like he does reputable drops. Good luck!
https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/guys- ... ioned-way/
https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/guys- ... ioned-way/
-
- Posts: 1436
- Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:22 am
- First Name: craig
- Last Name: leach
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1919 Firetruck/1922 Speedster
- Location: Laveen Az
- MTFCA Number: 26647
Re: Front Axel
Anyone that has seen my speedster knows I have no trouble under slinging a model T without a drop axle. What I'm
looking for is some one that can put a smile in my T axle so I have room to put a hand crank in so I can hand crank
the engine. Is any one west of the Mississippi south of the Mason Dixon line that can do that?
Craig.
looking for is some one that can put a smile in my T axle so I have room to put a hand crank in so I can hand crank
the engine. Is any one west of the Mississippi south of the Mason Dixon line that can do that?
Craig.
-
- Posts: 491
- Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:03 am
- First Name: Chad
- Last Name: Azevedo
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1926 Boattail speedster, 1912 Tourabout project, 1927 Speedster (build)
- Location: Henderson, TN
- Board Member Since: 1999
- Contact:
Re: Front Axel
Correct, once you get around the 5-6" point a crank gets sketchy. If memory serves Sid does a dip but it is large (long) and doesnt look as nice as a short one. If you come across someone doing a short more aggressive drop let me know.
"Those who fail to plan, plan to fail"
-
Topic author - Posts: 390
- Joined: Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:36 pm
- First Name: Tim
- Last Name: Foye
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 27 Fordor, 15 speedster (2), 23 touring, 26 fordor, 25 TT
- Location: Middleborough MA
- MTFCA Number: 292
- MTFCA Life Member: YES
- MTFCI Number: 106
- Board Member Since: 1999
- Contact:
Re: Front Axel
I see no way that axle in your photo will lower the car. It's upside down but still - ????
Gen III Antique Auto - we do Model T Ford Restorations
You can have everything in life you want, if you will just help other people get what they want -Zig Z.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeROBg ... pB-KImprjw
You can have everything in life you want, if you will just help other people get what they want -Zig Z.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeROBg ... pB-KImprjw
-
- Posts: 6431
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:18 am
- First Name: Scott
- Last Name: Conger
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: '13, '15, '19, '23
- Location: Clark, WY
- Board Member Since: 2005
Re: Front Axel
It won't lower the car, but it will still clear the road of cats.
Scott Conger
Tyranny under the guise of law is still Tyranny
NH Full Flow Float Valves
Obsolete carburetor parts manufactured
Tyranny under the guise of law is still Tyranny
NH Full Flow Float Valves
Obsolete carburetor parts manufactured
-
- Posts: 491
- Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:03 am
- First Name: Chad
- Last Name: Azevedo
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1926 Boattail speedster, 1912 Tourabout project, 1927 Speedster (build)
- Location: Henderson, TN
- Board Member Since: 1999
- Contact:
Re: Front Axel
Never said it would lower the car, it isn't supposed to. When you lower a car enough and try to run a crank the axle gets in the way so a dip is placed in the axle to clear the crank. This is noticeable on Many other manufactures in the early teens.TheSpeedsterProject wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 7:31 pmI see no way that axle in your photo will lower the car. It's upside down but still - ????
"Those who fail to plan, plan to fail"
-
- Posts: 1180
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 11:08 am
- First Name: DAN
- Last Name: MCEACHERN
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: too many. '14 touring, 2 depot hacks, 2 speedsters
- Location: ALAMEDA,CA,USA
Re: Front Axel
To clarify what Chad wrote above- this is a problem only when the axle is used with a suicide front end arrangement - when the front spring mount is moved upward to create the drop- this method drops the centerline of the crankshaft to where it intersects a stock height front axle, which causes the hand crank to hit the axle. The purpose of the "dip" is to get the axle center below the hand crank.
-
Topic author - Posts: 390
- Joined: Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:36 pm
- First Name: Tim
- Last Name: Foye
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 27 Fordor, 15 speedster (2), 23 touring, 26 fordor, 25 TT
- Location: Middleborough MA
- MTFCA Number: 292
- MTFCA Life Member: YES
- MTFCI Number: 106
- Board Member Since: 1999
- Contact:
Re: Front Axel
agreed. I see no way a stock T axle impacts the crank - and hey - there is a post with your name on it near the top of the list today.... Someone wants to talk to you.Dan McEachern wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 6:02 pmTo clarify what Chad wrote above- this is a problem only when the axle is used with a suicide front end arrangement - when the front spring mount is moved upward to create the drop- this method drops the centerline of the crankshaft to where it intersects a stock height front axle, which causes the hand crank to hit the axle. The purpose of the "dip" is to get the axle center below the hand crank.
Gen III Antique Auto - we do Model T Ford Restorations
You can have everything in life you want, if you will just help other people get what they want -Zig Z.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeROBg ... pB-KImprjw
You can have everything in life you want, if you will just help other people get what they want -Zig Z.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeROBg ... pB-KImprjw
-
- Posts: 2952
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 4:06 pm
- First Name: Jerry
- Last Name: Van
- Location: S.E. Michigan
- MTFCA Number: 24868
Re: Front Axel
A stock T axle can impact the crank, when installed in a non-stock fashion, which was whole point of showing the "dipped" axle.TheSpeedsterProject wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:21 amagreed. I see no way a stock T axle impacts the crank - and hey - there is a post with your name on it near the top of the list today.... Someone wants to talk to you.Dan McEachern wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 6:02 pmTo clarify what Chad wrote above- this is a problem only when the axle is used with a suicide front end arrangement - when the front spring mount is moved upward to create the drop- this method drops the centerline of the crankshaft to where it intersects a stock height front axle, which causes the hand crank to hit the axle. The purpose of the "dip" is to get the axle center below the hand crank.
-
Topic author - Posts: 390
- Joined: Mon Aug 22, 2022 12:36 pm
- First Name: Tim
- Last Name: Foye
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 27 Fordor, 15 speedster (2), 23 touring, 26 fordor, 25 TT
- Location: Middleborough MA
- MTFCA Number: 292
- MTFCA Life Member: YES
- MTFCI Number: 106
- Board Member Since: 1999
- Contact:
Re: Front Axel
Only if you hit a big dog! Been there. Took 3 adult males to pull the crank back out far enouth to restart the car.
Gen III Antique Auto - we do Model T Ford Restorations
You can have everything in life you want, if you will just help other people get what they want -Zig Z.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeROBg ... pB-KImprjw
You can have everything in life you want, if you will just help other people get what they want -Zig Z.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeROBg ... pB-KImprjw
-
- Posts: 5410
- Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:56 pm
- First Name: Frank
- Last Name: Brandi
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: Speedster (1919 w 1926)
- Location: Moline IL
- Board Member Since: 2018
Re: Front Axel
I copied a picture from a previous posting assuming it's the one needing a smile on your axle. Since the axle looks like its pushed a bit ahead of the cross member do you envision any problems with the length of the hand crank clearing the axleCraig Leach wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:55 amAnyone that has seen my speedster knows I have no trouble under slinging a model T without a drop axle. What I'm
looking for is some one that can put a smile in my T axle so I have room to put a hand crank in so I can hand crank
the engine. Is any one west of the Mississippi south of the Mason Dixon line that can do that?
Craig.
- Attachments
-
- leach speedster.JPG (91.42 KiB) Viewed 1344 times
The past is a great place and I don't want to erase it or to regret it, but I don't want to be its prisoner either.
Mick Jagger
Mick Jagger
-
- Posts: 82
- Joined: Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:29 pm
- First Name: Steven
- Last Name: Nelson
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 2 speedsters, 24 touring,19 pickup
- Location: Petaluma,CA
- MTFCA Number: 2957
Re: Front Axel
Talked to Sid's in Oklahoma last month and he is no longer dropping Model T axles. He said they are a real pain to drop and get everything correct.
-
- Posts: 491
- Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:03 am
- First Name: Chad
- Last Name: Azevedo
- * REQUIRED* Type and Year of Model Ts owned: 1926 Boattail speedster, 1912 Tourabout project, 1927 Speedster (build)
- Location: Henderson, TN
- Board Member Since: 1999
- Contact:
Re: Front Axel
Slid a crank in for checking Note where it has knocked the paint off A good speedbump . . . Note dip to avoid crank Another factory dipTheSpeedsterProject wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:21 amagreed. I see no way a stock T axle impacts the crank - and hey - there is a post with your name on it near the top of the list today.... Someone wants to talk to you.Dan McEachern wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 6:02 pmTo clarify what Chad wrote above- this is a problem only when the axle is used with a suicide front end arrangement - when the front spring mount is moved upward to create the drop- this method drops the centerline of the crankshaft to where it intersects a stock height front axle, which causes the hand crank to hit the axle. The purpose of the "dip" is to get the axle center below the hand crank.
"Those who fail to plan, plan to fail"