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Generations of Black Cars
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:13 pm
by Model T Ron
Would anyone be able to list the major changes that took place in the Black Cars. I am familiar with the Brass era but beyond that I only know that the improved car (26 and 27) used more steel and look a bit more like a Model A.
Re: Generations of Black Cars
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:26 pm
by speedytinc
Very basic differences.
17- 18 smoother cowl than 15-16. 19-22 without a starter.
19-22 Electric start & 2man top. Low cowl
23 1 man top, low cowl, slanted wind shield
24-5 same, but with high cowl/radiator.
26-7 Improved car.
Re: Generations of Black Cars
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2023 11:43 pm
by Model T Ron
The starter and one man top seem apparent but what would be your choice? I have a 15 Touring so I am focused on a closed car with the most driver leg room.
What years were the center door sedan? I think they had lots of space???
Re: Generations of Black Cars
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:11 am
by Humblej
The MTFCA Encyclopedia is a great reference. Check it out.
Re: Generations of Black Cars
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2023 12:24 pm
by speedytinc
I see you are leaning toward a sedan now, but let me add to the 1 man top advantage. The top is securely attached/clamped to the windshield post tops, This makes for a tougher top in more wind. 2 man tops are attached with 2 cloth or leather straps. A weaker method.
My preference for a non enclosed T would be an early 23. FWIW.
Center doors are wood body skinned & heavy. If the wood is bad, its a big job to restore one.
They are roomy & luxurious.
Re: Generations of Black Cars
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2023 5:49 pm
by Russ T Fender
Centerdoors may be roomy but if you're the driver or front passenger seat occupant you have to be a contortionist to get there. I love mine but the older I get the harder it is to get behind the wheel!
Re: Generations of Black Cars
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:38 pm
by John kuehn
I have to agree too that the MTFCA encyclopedia is a great resource for information! In fact most of the T changes and history comes from the encyclopedia. Thanks to Bruce and a few others that put it together.
Re: Generations of Black Cars
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:18 pm
by George House
Ron, to answer your last question, Ford produced centerdoors from 1915-1922. I greatly enjoy mine and I’m 6’2” with a ‘full figured’ wife. It takes only a minute to remove the passenger seat and then a driver can easily take his seat and a passenger can easily be seated in the back seat. Without the passenger seat you’ll have the best transmission inspection cover access of any Model T enclosed car

Hey, we’re larger people today than these cars were built for

Re: Generations of Black Cars
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:50 pm
by Oldav8tor
Another great source of information on year to year changes is the MTFCI judging guidelines, available from the MTFCI online store. It's not cheap but it is a great resource, especially when inspecting a car for yourself or a friend.